Anti-Islam filmmaker in hiding after protests

VDKMS said:
Wasn't someone asking for pictures of Muhammed?

here's the link : Mohammed Image Archive

About the US : high winds blow on high hills.
I support their actions. Look at Iraq. After they captured Bagdad the whole country was as happy as could be. The problems started with the religious fanatics wanting the Americans to go home ASAP (you defeated Sadam for us, now leave!). Why? No non-muslim boots allowed on muslim land.

Some people despice the actions of the Americans blaiming they want to force their way of life upon others, supported dictators and make war for oil.
What they forget is that others also want to force their way of life upon others, but it isn't called freedom , they supported dictators too, worse, they were dictators themselves and they also wanted the oil.
Americans came to help the Europeans in WWI and WWII, saved the Pacific. Helped the French in Vietnam, stopped the invasion of South Korea, helped the Belgians in the Congo, Europe in Bosnia. Liberated Kuwait, got rid of Sadam. Sure friendley nations helped a hand, but they took the lead.
They gave us Hollywood, Jazz and Rock'n Roll. Thanks to them there is the UN and a lot of nations get financial support.
One more thing, before you are going to attack them for what they did, think of what others did too.

Riots, what's the difference?

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Some are offended by a movie, others by a little island.
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That is so sweet VDKMS, you love us warts and all. I want you on my ship when it sails.
 
pixiedustboo said:
Yes you do. Unless you are fighting to get out the message of the terrorism that is in our own country, from OUR OWN people, you are just yet another to stand by.





I think those that participate in OWS are doing so with good intentions and do hope to start changing how things work. Sadly I don't think it will change anything because our people and our government are too money hungry. I don't hate our government, I hate some of the things it is standing for, and I am not "proud" of it in many cases right now. That being said, even if one does hate the government of their homeland you do not burn the flag. The flag doesn't represent the government. It represents the people. That is my opinion anyway.

I have to say, I agree with USAgirl on this one, I am offended very much by the burning/tearing of the American flag.
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I'm not saying the OWS are bad people. I've actually went there back in September 2011 to check it out. Of course, I don't know about this whole political system of theirs and the corporations bribing US officials including the president and all those stuff.

That's exactly what I'm saying! I said this before, too. The flag is a symbol of a country not a government but not everyone agrees with that. My roommate is an Anarchist so he actually rejects the idea of state or imperialism. He believers the earth should just be this one country and those stuff.
 
pixiedustboo said:
I have to say, I agree with USAgirl on this one, I am offended very much by the burning/tearing of the American flag.
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It's natural that you do. I'd hate it if that happened to my flag. But, still....it depends on what's meant by that. If it just expresses dis-likeness to the government then it shouldn't be held too grave. But, if it's meant to send a message of hate to people of some country, that's not the best solution.
 
This movie is an absurd movie which was made by a porno movies director so the best action against it is silence not protests. But in every country we have some people who like turbulence and fighting and this movie gave them good excuse, the same as agitators in London turbulence 2 years ago.
But about other issue, you want Muslims respect to your freedom, but I want to know if you do the same about Muslims people. For example if you respect to Pakistanis when your drones kill innocent people while Pakistan’s people and government are against these attacks in their territory?
Did your soldiers respect to Afghans when they burned Quran or killed innocent people in Kabul Streets?
Did your country respect to Iraqi people when you attacked to Iraq because of unrealistic excuse and killed several thousands people their?
Did your country respect to the ME people when your politicians support dictatorship regimes in the ME to reach their illegitimate interests?
If you want to not having any problem with Muslim people you should first bring your soldiers out of the ME and don’t interfere in their countries. But you won’t do this and you know well why.
 
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USAgirl said:
Thanks for the gentle touch seno:mrgreen:

I don't care where in the heck in the world they are, no way no how are you going to get me to go along with, give sympathy to or understand how name calling is a reason to rape and kill and may it rain down on anyone who dared to do that and I mean rain down hard.

And it is totally obvious they don't respect the US but they sure in the heck respect our money that we hand out over and over again.

Let's be clear, I don't think ALL or even the majority of Muslims go along with radical Islamic terrorist, but by sitting by in silence or fear and allowing them to do such barbaric sadistic acts in the name of their God Allah makes them just as guilty.

And what is up Sydney???? It is not enough I have to worry about places like Egypt and Lybia, now I have to worry about frigging Austrailia?

I am all for people living by their own culture and faith in other places but it stops at killing innocent people that are not only guest in their country but that have spent a lifetime of working on behalf of their country and people.

We are not talking about a battle field here seno and I am sorry but in this matter you are either with me or against me, either friend or enemy.
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I was simply reading the entire thread before I decided to post until I read the last line you posted.

That statement of "you are a friend or an enemy" closes all doors to diologue and is the very temperment that leads to making it extremely easy to kill or maim those that don't agree with you. Simply because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are the enemy.

I am a soldier that has given over a decade of service to this nation and fought on its behalf on many occassions and I'll be damned if it's ok in my country to shut an entire portion of the population out simply because they have a dissenting view to your own. You say it's not a battlefield and in the same sentence use verbage that leads directly to the battlefield. We ARE a free nation. We do have have a constitution to protect the rights of even the most one sided and close minded of individuals. At the same time, we are expected to use REASON and compromise to reach our ends. Someone saying something thoughless and stupid can be forgiven. Someone saying something with the intent to incite violence is an agregious offence on the very values that this country was founded under.

I am sick and fvcking tired of our constitution being hijacked as a pedestool for intolerance and ignorance. And I'm really fvcking sick and tired for being called "unpatriotic" or "un-American" for not eating the bullsh!t that is being spoon fed to the sheep of the population that this country is now producing. If we are going to be the leaders of the free world, then we have to act like it. Sometimes that means we have to eat sh!t because we are supposed to set the example. Not act with impunity, intolerance, and ignorance. Impetuous children act that way, not mature, free thinking, rational adults!
 
hamidreza said:
This movie is an absurd movie which was made by a porno movies director so the best action against it is silence not protests. But in every country we have some people who like turbulence and fighting and this movie gave them good excuse, the same as agitators in London turbulence 2 years ago.
But about other issue, you want Muslims respect to your freedom, but I want to know if you do the same about Muslims people. For example if you respect to Pakistanis when your drones kill innocent people while Pakistan’s people and government are against these attacks in their territory?
Did your soldiers respect to Afghans when their soldiers burned Quran or killed innocent people in Kabul Streets?
Did your country respect to Iraqi people when they attacked to Iraq because of unrealistic excuse and killed several thousands people their?
Did your country respect to the ME people when your politicians support dictatorship regimes in the ME to reach their illegitimate interests?
If you want to not having any problem with Muslim people you should first bring your soldiers out of the ME and won’t interfere in their countries. But you won’t do this and you know well why.
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Since I've never been a fan of religions, I have no idea how far sensitive the issue can escalate. I've seen the movie yesterday and it was very ridiculous. And it seems like the scene was supposed to be Egypt as I've seen the Egyptian flag on the police car that went knocking on some door. I've no idea if it was intended to piss off Egyptians directly, I don't know...I couldn't watch the entire trailer as it reached my maximum level of handling stupidity.

I honestly have no idea if your post was intended to me or not. But you sound like you're talking about American soldiers. For your information, I'm not American, I have only been in America for like a year now. I'm from a Muslim country as well. So, my country never launched drones onto Afghanistan. My soldiers didn't burn the Quraan they're mostly Muslims, they would never do that. My country although has a very light touch to the ME but, our dictator fought Iraq to liberate Kuwait, but he himself was overthrown. I don't have any problems with Muslims again, I'm from a Muslim country and my people are mostly Muslims.

But, seriously....only mad dictators in power want war. Nobody wants war besides the insane ones. Don't blame Americans for what their government might have done. Don't blame all American soldiers for what some of them did. Soldiers are human-beings and each one of them has an opinion, check the photo.....

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Quote written on the flag "THERE IS NO FLAG LARGE ENOUGH TO COVER THE SHARE OF KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE"

P.S I'm not trying to mock or bash America. I'm only proving a point that not all soldiers have to agree on the same thing and that some soldiers disagree with a whole lot of stuff.
 
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USAgirl said:
Ugh, I think the occupy people are the most embarrassing thing to ever come out of America, they rank right up there with the 60s hippies, Jersey Shore and the Kardashians. yuck yuck yuck

Your roommate is going to make my head explode Venom:sick:

I am not going to get on him personally anymore than that because he was an American soldier but he is checked.

If he wants to change and make a difference he will vote, if he doesn't like the party then he can go out with his message, verbally communicate it, get a party and vote them in but to sit around and burn an American flag as a way of communication? Shame.

I think I would rather ride a horse to a camel althought I have never been on one:smile: but I am in awe of your pyramids, to think they last throughout time and the man power to create them, not to mention the sweat off a slaves back. And what does my generation leave for the future McDonalds.:crybaby:

The pyramids and nile are on my bucket list, I heard there is a McDonalds right next to them?

Anyway, the flag is too personal for me, for me the flag represents everything that is good about America, the men and woman who froze to death, stared, braved the wilderness, fought off other countries for our freedom and the men and woman who still fight for our freedom and have given their life. The last thing it is for me is our govt and the empty suits in office.
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LOL...he said the exact same thing before! "They keep saying we're hippies" Isn't that cool? I'm born in a country known for camels and horses. Then when I decide to move, I find myself living in a state known for that stupid show Jersey Shore. Seems like some people just walk in the light, you know.

Well...not-voting is basically like no action. It can mean that the person who doesn't vote isn't into politics. While such acts can be used to express total opposition.

Ride a horse to a camel? Seems like somebody is taking care of their backbone, oops! Yeah, the pyramids are truly magnificent structures and do deserve to be one of the seven wonders of the world. Let me tell you something though, the ones who built the pyramids were not slaves. They were low-class Egyptians that used to be paid good amounts of money for their labor and they used to work shifts of 3 months. Also, those who contributed to the building of the pyramids deserved the honor of being buried next to the pyramids that contain the body of the pharaoh. I know that most people say slaves and stuff, but what I told you about the workers is still new information because the tombs of the workers were discovered in 1990. But, speaking of sweat...yup, that was one hell of an effort!

The place were the pyramids are is surrounded with sand. But very close to that region there is McDonald's and all those stuff. Because that's what tourists like. They like to go to bars, eat fast food, smoke hookah and shop at Khan El-Khalili market. And also one thing I've seen many times, some tourists take great pleasure taking a photo which makes them look as if they're kissing the Sphinx or as if they're carrying the pyramids. We've been living with those pyramids for thousands and thousands of years and I doubt I've seen any Egyptian taking photos like that.I personally wouldn't take a photo kissing the Sphinx because not only it's a man, it's one hell of an old man! And men really are not really my cup of tea. Just joking, I know it's a statue. Which also is a question I've been having for a while..Why most dudes I've seen in here are really sensitive about their sexuality? I mean, once the professor said we have to play some game but the game had something about holding hands. Girls held hands no problem while dudes, "Oh, sh!t that's freaking gay, yo!" "I ain't touching another dude's sh!t" I mean, I'll be honest with you, in my country, it's usual for 2 girls to sleep on the same bed and also usual for 2 boys to sleep on the same bed. I mean, that's how it works...I'm a man, he's a man...we're the same gender so,there's just no chance that something sexual might possibly happen. While in here I guess, "WHAT? ON THE SAME FREAKING BED? GODDAMN YO! THAT'S SO EFFING GAY!!!" While I believe, girls in here...do sleep on the same bed and it's perfectly normal.

Anyways, back to topic. Tourists also like riding camels so much for some reason. I mean, personally...I would rather drive a Lamborghini or a Porsche rather than riding a freaking camel.

P.S I'm not homosexual and I'm not intending to bash homosexuality in a way. Everyone is free :brave:
 
brinktk said:
I was simply reading the entire thread before I decided to post until I read the last line you posted.

That statement of "you are a friend or an enemy" closes all doors to diologue and is the very temperment that leads to making it extremely easy to kill or maim those that don't agree with you. Simply because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are the enemy.

I am a soldier that has given over a decade of service to this nation and fought on its behalf on many occassions and I'll be damned if it's ok in my country to shut an entire portion of the population out simply because they have a dissenting view to your own. You say it's not a battlefield and in the same sentence use verbage that leads directly to the battlefield. We ARE a free nation. We do have have a constitution to protect the rights of even the most one sided and close minded of individuals. At the same time, we are expected to use REASON and compromise to reach our ends. Someone saying something thoughless and stupid can be forgiven. Someone saying something with the intent to incite violence is an agregious offence on the very values that this country was founded under.

I am sick and fvcking tired of our constitution being hijacked as a pedestool for intolerance and ignorance. And I'm really fvcking sick and tired for being called "unpatriotic" or "un-American" for not eating the bullsh!t that is being spoon fed to the sheep of the population that this country is now producing. If we are going to be the leaders of the free world, then we have to act like it. Sometimes that means we have to eat sh!t because we are supposed to set the example. Not act with impunity, intolerance, and ignorance. Impetuous children act that way, not mature, free thinking, rational adults!
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Interesting.
This is the same opinion many current U.S. veterans have.
Just been with officers colleagues from the USMC and their views are in line with your.

And as a side note, I would add that the vast majority of American soldiers and Marines I´ve met downrange are actually good ambassadors. The soldier´s job today is a balancing act that´s extremely tricky to perform. American forces reputation out there is much better than what one thinks. The problem is that shitty stories is good news and we rarely hear about the little positive storie.
 
hamidreza said:
This movie is an absurd movie which was made by a porno movies director so the best action against it is silence not protests. But in every country we have some people who like turbulence and fighting and this movie gave them good excuse, the same as agitators in London turbulence 2 years ago.
But about other issue, you want Muslims respect to your freedom, but I want to know if you do the same about Muslims people. For example if you respect to Pakistanis when your drones kill innocent people while Pakistan’s people and government are against these attacks in their territory?
Did your soldiers respect to Afghans when your soldiers burned Quran or killed innocent people in Kabul Streets?
Did your country respect to Iraqi people when you attacked to Iraq because of unrealistic excuse and killed several thousands people their?
Did your country respect to the ME people when your politicians support dictatorship regimes in the ME to reach their illegitimate interests?
If you want to not having any problem with Muslim people you should first bring your soldiers out of the ME and don’t interfere in their countries. But you won’t do this and you know well why.
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You want respect?
So, where is the Silent Muslim Majority? Where are the Muslims condemning Muslim terrorism? Where are the moderate Muslims that want to assimilate? Where are the moderate Muslims who love the U.S. Constitution?

You would think that if there were "moderates" they could find each other and form a large community and then come out against the attacks and terrorism. Because if they come out one by one they will be killed by their religion of peace. I do find it interesting that radical Muslims can convince a child to become a suicide bomber, and the Muslims here give a 5H1T attitude about it. This is what worries everyone. When the only voice we hear is extremism....or the broken record "Islam doesn't condone killing".....it's no wonder we feel the way we do. Every time I hear the phrase "but these are not true believers" I wonder how many "true believers" really exist. Islam needs a good reformation to cleanse their faith and join civilized modern society instead of the constant apologies and protectionism. You shouldn't have to defend your religion. It should be transparent to all. Is there any doubt that many Muslims would put their religion ahead of their country? The backlash in Europe is only beginning and Islam has no one to blame but itself.

There apparently are no moderate muslims. In their view they glorify these bombings and terrorist acts and until they denounce it publicly they should be treated with exceptional suspicion. And there are many non observant Muslims who'd you think would speak out. There's definitely a fear and taboo among most Muslims associated with telling the king he has no clothes on. Where Muslims make themselves look really bad is where they don't fight tooth and nail to eradicate the worlds ill views of their belief-system, from within.

Why is the majority of moderate Muslims silent in the onslaught of radicals destroying and demonizing their religion? Where are their public outcries to their fellow Muslims to stop the hatred? Why don't 'western' (those living in Western countries) Muslims speak out? They don't have to fear being killed or silenced for their opinions here. So, why don't they voice them?
According to an Italian proverb, silence means consent. Is that it???

No! its because in the Middle-East, their society is backwards, the corrupt are powerful and volatile, the good and peaceful ones are simply scared, and don't want to sacrifice their own well being, or jump on a bandwagon of negativity that's directed toward the very Religion they hold so dearly. It's a flat out weakness, and personal conflict.
 
NP8901 said:
You want respect?
So, where is the Silent Muslim Majority? Where are the Muslims condemning Muslim terrorism? Where are the moderate Muslims that want to assimilate? Where are the moderate Muslims who love the U.S. Constitution?...
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Just a point of interest they wouldn't be called the silent majority if they were vocal now would they?

As for the rest I think you have missed some subtle changes, 10 years ago you would never have seen any sort of apology for events just a deafening silence yet now you see images like this:
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it is not something that is going to change over night but the fact is that things are slowly changing in the region so now you have a choice you can all keep hammering away at the "bad Muslims" or we can try and encourage the small wins.
 
These kinds of protest against radical Islam (above photo) are ridiculous and the people who do that think they are very intellectual but in fact they can’t use their brain.
I think the true action against the turbulence in Muslim countries is that the police should arrest the people who break the rules and should punish them for that. But the legal protest is legitimate although I think protest is not necessary for this absurd movie and it is just propaganda for the movie.
And the Libya government should apologize for those 4 victims and they have done. The same as the US government who apologized Pakistan because of killing several Pakistani soldiers by their drones.
But it seems that you want more. You want Muslims global protests against radical Islam? You want Muslims global protests to defend your modern civilization (!!) and chant against their underdeveloped (!!) civilization? Well we will do it but before it we want to see your protests against the US crimes in Muslim countries. Isn’t it fair?
 
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MontyB said:
Just a point of interest they wouldn't be called the silent majority if they were vocal now would they?

As for the rest I think you have missed some subtle changes, 10 years ago you would never have seen any sort of apology for events just a deafening silence yet now you see images like this:
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and

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it is not something that is going to change over night but the fact is that things are slowly changing in the region so now you have a choice you can all keep hammering away at the "bad Muslims" or we can try and encourage the small wins.
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It's a start and they won't be left alone. But so far they are powerless.
 
NP8901 said:
You want respect?
So, where is the Silent Muslim Majority? Where are the Muslims condemning Muslim terrorism? Where are the moderate Muslims that want to assimilate? Where are the moderate Muslims who love the U.S. Constitution?

You would think that if there were "moderates" they could find each other and form a large community and then come out against the attacks and terrorism. Because if they come out one by one they will be killed by their religion of peace. I do find it interesting that radical Muslims can convince a child to become a suicide bomber, and the Muslims here give a 5H1T attitude about it. This is what worries everyone. When the only voice we hear is extremism....or the broken record "Islam doesn't condone killing".....it's no wonder we feel the way we do. Every time I hear the phrase "but these are not true believers" I wonder how many "true believers" really exist. Islam needs a good reformation to cleanse their faith and join civilized modern society instead of the constant apologies and protectionism. You shouldn't have to defend your religion. It should be transparent to all. Is there any doubt that many Muslims would put their religion ahead of their country? The backlash in Europe is only beginning and Islam has no one to blame but itself.

There apparently are no moderate muslims. In their view they glorify these bombings and terrorist acts and until they denounce it publicly they should be treated with exceptional suspicion. And there are many non observant Muslims who'd you think would speak out. There's definitely a fear and taboo among most Muslims associated with telling the king he has no clothes on. Where Muslims make themselves look really bad is where they don't fight tooth and nail to eradicate the worlds ill views of their belief-system, from within.

Why is the majority of moderate Muslims silent in the onslaught of radicals destroying and demonizing their religion? Where are their public outcries to their fellow Muslims to stop the hatred? Why don't 'western' (those living in Western countries) Muslims speak out? They don't have to fear being killed or silenced for their opinions here. So, why don't they voice them?
According to an Italian proverb, silence means consent. Is that it???

No! its because in the Middle-East, their society is backwards, the corrupt are powerful and volatile, the good and peaceful ones are simply scared, and don't want to sacrifice their own well being, or jump on a bandwagon of negativity that's directed toward the very Religion they hold so dearly. It's a flat out weakness, and personal conflict.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you... this is what I have been telling anyone who would listen- the Muslim world has to take a global stand on this matter, dealing with terrorists who are doing nasty things- all in the name of Islam...

We had sermon on the most recent Friday prayers, and this is was what was told to the Muslim community in Singapore. Instead of protesting like mad dogs, and not doing any favours to anyone, except to detractors of Islam, the Muslim community should go out and tell and demostrate what Islam is all about. Islam is not about being violent and harmin others just becasue the others don't share our beliefs. It is about love and compassion- nothing of that was seen in the response of Muslims in reference to the movie or the photos oif the Prophet. What do we see, mayhem- and that is supposed to show that we respect the Prophet, in that manner. I don't think even the Prophet would want any of the followers of Islam to do that.

So someone here says something that amount to- "if you want us to do this, then you have to do that". So that will solve matters. I very much doubt it.

From what I've read and watch over the media, is that those who had protested had said that that what was done is considered an insult to Islam, and also to the Prophet. Now, if I may ask those who think that such protest are legitimate in their eyes- Is killing fellow Muslims not considered an insult, too? I do see this happening in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan... perhaps those chaps can explain this...
 
Capt Frogman said:
They should hold the film maker personally responsible for the death(s).
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Why?what has he done?He just said what he thinks.If you don't like it dont watch it then.

Just hear this guy out.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg&list=UUWOkEnBl5TO4SCLfSlosjgg&index=1&feature=plcp"]A word to rioting Muslims - YouTube[/ame]
 
Eden said:
Why?what has he done?He just said what he thinks.If you don't like it dont watch it then.

Just hear this guy out.

A word to rioting Muslims - YouTube
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And what qualifications does he have, other than being a rabid pro zionist mouthpiece.

Taking responsibility for your actions is a pretty good measurement of a persons maturity, the idiot who posted that deliberately provocative movie was ultimately responsible for the deaths of a number of persons and he should be called to account for it.

But then again, you being an Israeli, you'd be used to that?
 
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Capt Frogman said:
I have no problems with the majority of atheists! ;)
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I don't think Atheists are even considered a group like people practicing a certain faith. Because Atheism is basically "No god" or "no religion" so, it's like "none" there's nothing there. It's like filling in some paperwork then it gets to ask about your religious views and you just put "N/A".

Unlike religions, one Atheist is not related to another Atheist in a way.
 
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