Or differently put, they are setting fire to cars belonging to the other honest immigrants or poor people. Goes to show how little they care about the poor and how little it is related to poverty itself.
Back to Mmarsh's comment:
mmarsh said:
I just don't accept the fact that France treats its Muslims bad. You can be sure that Muslims have far more rights and privilages here in France than a French Catholic would have in the ME, provided the Islamic fanatics didnt kill him first. Like the US, France has had alot of immigrants. But not all immigrants have acted this bad. For example of the largest population in Paris is Vietnamese/Chinese. Now they generally keep to themselves but they dont cause trouble and they dont shout racism whenever they dont't get their way. Some people on the left would say would some degree of truth that the vietnamese is an example of intergration working. They attend French Schools, speak the language, many are catholics, drink wine, pay taxes, work at French jobs, etc. Same could be said of other groups such as people from Indonisia (whom are Muslim), the Phillippeans, etc.
On the other hand, immigrants from Algeria or the Middle East have had problems intergrating not only in France, but in the UK, Germany, in the Netherlands, and I believe Italy as well. But speaking just for France, why does it work for the Vietnamese and not for Arabs/Africans?
I have lived with two Muslim Moroccans, with an Atheist Albanian, with a Muslim Albanian, with a Christian black Ivorian, with an Ukrainian, a Slovakian, a Serb, and some Western European guys along with a lot of Italians, of course. Some of them are still good pals of mine, specially the Ivorian one, an Albanian and a Moroccan.
I observe the reality around me.
Here in Italy Asians (mainly Indians, Chinese and Filipinoes) don't have great problems of integration: They hardly speak Italian themselves or to each other, but you can see them trying hard to speak Italian to their kids, and put them into Italian schools. They try hard to make life easier for their kids than it has been for them, specially Indians. Their kids don't make too much trouble at schools either.
The Slavs and Albanians now. For a long time Slavs and Albanians were considered a danger, bad people, and actually a lot of them were caught and trapped in criminal networks: Prostitution, racketing, smaller crime, drug trafficking, robberies. Anyways the overwhelming majority of them doesn't pose any problem to us, they learn to speak Italian and you can easily relate to them although, of course, many differences persist. Btw many among them are right-winging because they come from Communist countries.
Muslim Turks are average integrated. They can speak our language, open their traditional stores, but are not as numerous as they are in Germany or France.
The blacks, now. Either Muslim or Christian, Italians have learned to like and appreciate the Africans' hard work and honesty. We all respect them and racist episodes were always extremely rare. They learn Italian surprisingly soon and well, and you can really often see their kids playing with Italian kids and the blacks speaking with a regional accent at times stronger than the Italians. The blacks respect their women, look clean and people would say "they're just like us". I'd say the most successfully integrated groups. Even Muslim blacks never made religion an issue, they alwys endorsed their calm and peaceful and open-minded interpretation of the Koran. African blacks don't like the Arabs and their fanatic approach to religion. They tend to address the Arabs as "deceitful and racist people".
The Arabs now. This is the point Mmarsh raises.
Yes, the Arabs are different. Most of the Arabs I know broadly agree with Bin Laden's instances, support kamikaze attacks in Israel and consider the Jews a really evil people. You can never relate to these fanatics. Moderate Arabs, such as my friend Abdul, complain about this, because he says they provoke a racist reaction in people, and make ALL of them look like terrorists or terrorism supporters or fanatics or "enemies". Unfortunately moderate Arabs like Abdul are very rare, and few of them would accept to consider the Jews "human" or the Americans "friendly people".
The Arabs have come from Northern Africa seeking for jobs, but brought in all their cultural background: Their women are hardly seen around, they spend their time hanging around and often harassing girls, they get around in groups, only male (opposite of blacks, whose wives are always with them, and of Indians or Chinese, whose wives and kids are always around them). Being only males (most of them leave wives back home, or are single) of course changes their way of relating to the new country: It will never be their own country since their families are elsewhere, they will not be encouraged to settle down and get a house in a nice neighborhood where their kids can make friends and be happy. No, that's a total different approach that they have. Their kids in school put alot of problems, since they refuse the food they're given, don't accept to see crosses, or want Arabic classes and so on.
I've seen it with my own eyes. One of the Moroccans I lived with was a Muslim fanatic, he agreed with everything Bin Laden said, called for "death of America" (literal words) and destruction of Israel every other minute, admired the "martyrs". I remember he and his friends cheering at the Twin Towers collapsing in front of TV on 9/11, while the rest of world was recoiling in horror.
He would always point at girls in miniskirt in July saying how immoral it would be, and how a bomb that killed thousands of people would be better than that. And he had a lot of friends who thought that same way.
I believe the Arab culture has a large background of racism, and a lot of Arabs are racist towards the Jews (of course) and towards the infidels. Speaking to a Muslim from Bangladesh, he said that the Arabs are deceitful and crazy, and their fanatical approach to religion is extremely distant from theirs (although he would endorse a lot of conspiracy theories).
As the Arabs look down on our multicultural society and all its horrors (woman's equality, gays are not jailed, Jews can freely talk, and other terrible features of our impure countries- they call all that "jayliah", barbarianism) they refuse to be assimilated, they don't want to be integrated in a community they despise. One of the charges they move to the US is that a society where "negroes live next to whites" can't be pure, hence no good could possibly come from that.
I'm talking about the majority of them, given my experience. Those are not a minority.