Ongoing Violence & Riots in France

I have lived in a socialist country b4. Say nothing is really wrong..people just follow rules willingly and all live fine. It sure is expensive, but the country is doing a great job for keeping its citizens calm and quiet..
 
Ted said:
Don't you think that, thesedays, economy shapes how the governments function?

Indeed, it is socialism. Socialist parties all over Europe who care about nothing but their own pockets and popularity.
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Your first remark could start an interesting conversation. But the second one shows a bordering-next-to-blindness attitude towards the political right and blaming the troubles of the world to the political left. Do you really think it is just the political left wing that care about polls & popularity?
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Well... You didnt get my point on popularity thing.

Of course the leftists and socialists are the ones who do whatever they can to get people's vote (even thru fraud and riggid elections and pollings).

That being said, I never said that right wingers are Saints and leftists are EVIL (However I wanted to say that but .... sigh.... LOL)!

But Leftists are the first I'd blame for every thing working wrong!

And look at your own country my friend, Holland!
There are high taxes for every thing. Even people get charged ( 35 cents ) on Ketch up in McDonalds.

Most people pay half of their salary as taxes! Of course the govt has to serve them as best as it could but it will, one day, stop working!

It is not the best system to govern a nation! It will fail...
 
Thats not the real problem.

The real probelm is that they take that tax money from loyal citzens and they pour it into programs like catering to immigrant groups who do not want to integrate, what they end up withis a haven for people aren't at all one bit loyal to their host countries. Its kinda ironic if you ask me.
 
Gladius has a good idea about what goes on in Europe because here in America we're well on our way to the same end. But there are 2 big differences between our Hispanics and France's Muslims.

1) Americans don't really have an "identity" like French have, it's a lot easier to assimilate into our culture because all you have to really do is like Football and cheap beer :p

2) The Latinos don't blow stuff up. Say all you want about how "peaceful" Islam is, aparently you arn't reading the same book the muslims are... maybe the Qu'ran loses something in translation? All I know is that the mexicans don't blow stuff up, muslims have this tendency to start lobbing off heads when they don't feel good.
 
The Latinos don't blow stuff up
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The most vicious and terrible gang bands are made by Latinos

i.e M13 is one of the worst! They dont blow you up but they bring in drugs, crime and change your language.
 
Phoenix, I spent my high school years living in a barrio in Colorado. My high school had two fatal shootings but they didn't make national headlines like Columbine because not much interest in poor people capping each other. Gangs are gangs there is no increased level of violence or criminal activity owing to the ethnic composition of the gang. Its best to speak of what you know rather than what you've read my friend.

The worst violence I saw in my young years was perpetrated by white gang bangers. White and black gang bangers would non-stop harrass and dick with me because I wouldn't join one or the other. The hispanic bangers never bothered me. No harrassment no threats and unlike the white and black gang bangers most of their families were NOT on welfare so I have far more respect for them than I ever will for people on the dole.

In later years I spent a couple weeks each summer in Miami's "Little Havana" and never had an ounce of trouble from anyone despite all the warnings from people of how dangerous it was. The only trouble I ever had was with black bangers.

Criminals are criminals and the level of violence they are capable of has nothing to do with where they came from or who they pray to.
 
OK, lets assume you are correct but I am going to make this point.

Democrats (AKA Leftists) are the ones who are very happy with the flow of illegal immigrants. My friend in Calif told me they want them for their votes in elections.

But I am still insisting on what I said earlier.. even mexicans are trying to change your society. Non integrated Immigrants (legal or Illegal) are the trouble makers for any society.

We have this problem with Afghan migrants in Iran, for example.

They take jobs, they do gang crimes and they bring in disease and drugs.
 
Well Phoenix, no doubt there are HUGE PROBLEMS comming out of our broken boarder situation in America but that's not the point.

My point is that Americans understand the situation in France so well because we've been dealing with it for decades while France has just closed their ears and eyes to their problem.
 
Whispering Death said:
Well Phoenix, no doubt there are HUGE PROBLEMS comming out of our broken boarder situation in America but that's not the point.

My point is that Americans understand the situation in France so well because we've been dealing with it for decades while France has just closed their ears and eyes to their problem.
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agreed but remember that the US is not doing enough to prevent more illegal aliens too!
 
Sorry dont agree

I dont think Americans understand because the situation is different.

1. In France the borders were sealed in the early 1990's. Its now extremely difficult to immigrate here from Africa. The people who are rioting are people that were born here, they are 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants, they are not recent immigrants. The problem is contained, but the damage is done. The problem with the French is what to do with them.

2. In the USA, the floodgates are still open as there are thousands of new immigrants arriving each year from Mexico both legally and illegally. Here the problem is neither contained and the damage continues.
 
Just to clear somethings up. MS-13 is a Gang from El Salvador, who now has connections with traditionaly Mexican Gangs, such as the Norteno's, Surenos, Mexican Mafia (which along with the Texas Syndicate are chicano gangs.)MS-13 is heavily connected to the Sinoloa, Pacifico, and Juarez Cartels in Mexico and by proxy the Medillian, and Cali Cartels in Columbia.

The opinion that MS-13 is responsible for illegal immigration is right to the extent that they at times charge protection money to Coyotes, or contract illegals to carry narcotics. Aside from that they are a criminal organization and do not care what side of the border they make money on.Their main goal is importation of Narcotics and employment as muscle and control of distribution. The same thing was happening in the 80's when the Columbians controlled Jackson Heights and the Cubans and Colombians controlled Miami. Same game different players.

As far as Latino's assimilating into US society. Well it's not that hard and it's done. Do we tend to live near one another sure. Do we tend to eat barbacoa instead of BBQ? Sure.Do we speak Spanish among ourselves? Some do.
 
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