Israel Got Him

[MontyB]

Since I am not a policy maker, just a citizen, for me at least urging my fellow citizens to see what is happening is a logical place to start.

If we remain divided, unsure and un confident in our capabilities as a people then our policy makers will be able to finish the job of running this dysfunctional economic structure into the ground at our expense.

You worry far too much always remember that everything operates in cycles things go up, become stronger and then ebb away until eventually they come back or transform into something else and the cycle repeats itself, the only intriguing thing is how long the cycle takes to complete itself.

 

[VDKMS]

LOL the Philippines are fighting MILFs I wouldn't mind wrestling with a few myself.

Outside of that funny moment I am sorry but you do make me laugh you use the slimmest of pretexts to justify your arguments I have a friend just like you only in his case it isn't Muslims it is bankers and Sept 11, he argues most sincerely that 9-11 was an inside job and can drag out every half baked website known to man to back his arguments.

You remind me of an old "Yes Minister" episode where it was discovered that the education budget had blow out and they needed a way to sell it to the public, the minister went on TV and announced that "Never before had a government invested so much in the future of the nations children"

You'd better come up with facts that contradicts mine.

This same theft occurs also in the west Bank where Palestinian water supplies have been diverted to Israel.

The multiannual average of water within the aquifer is estimated at 679MCM, according to the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, signed in Washington, D.C., September 28, 1995. (Due to climate change the current average is estimated at 641MCM). (Factsheet:
Water in the West Bank)

Gaza? When it is to dry it's the fault of Israel. If it's to wet it's the fault of Israel. They only complain instead of trying to give their people a better life.

You are brainwashed, you think that because we live in Australia we must live in the Stone age. The fact is that we see more of the news than you do, as we see it presented by virtually every news agency in the world and with today's communications we often see it as it happens and without government interference and censorship as you do.

You bought Hamas upon yourselves, and you have also bought Islamic Global terror to the rest of the world. Had you have never occupied Palestine the palestinians would never have voted for them as a legally elected government. They are not terrorists they are just the only people left who will fight for what is legally theirs.

You're looking at the wrong news.

On the brighter side VD will bow and scrape to you all day no matter what you do because he hates Muslims but doesn't have the sack to say so.

You know what I think about muslims but you seem to regularly (intentional?) forget. I'll refresh your mind : read post #244.

I'm not going to entertain him for long, until he has read what has already been said as these new posters show up and butt in without the faintest idea of the fact that all of their lies and distortions have been dealt with before.

I'm still waiting for your facts to disprove mine.

Neither was Palestine before the Jews invaded.

Palestine didn't exist when more Jews arrived (Jews were living there before the word Palestine was used by the Romans). They did not invade, they immigrated legally during the Ottoman Empire and the Palestine Mandate. Just as the Arabs did. Tell me, why are Arabs allowed to live there and Jews not?

So that gives them the right to steal Palestinian land?

UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) only required that Israel return "territories" captured during the 1967 war, not "the" or "all the" territories it captured. Such wording was intentional. According to Lord Caradon, chief architect of the resolution,

"it would have been wrong to demand that Israel return to its positions of June 4, 1967, because those positions were undesirable and artificial. After all, they were just the places where the soldiers of each side happened to be on the day the fighting stopped in 1948. They were just armistice lines. That's why we didn't demand that the Israelis return to them."​

Bollocks, the Oslo accords were rammed down the Palestinian throats.

They were signed in 1993 and are still in place. If they can fire rockets at Israel why don't they denounce the Oslo accords? Because it was the first time ever in their history that they were able to govern their own people, thanks to Israel. (The Turks didn't do it, the British didn't and the Arabs didn't, but Israel did!)

Yet you fail to mention Israeli's building 3,000 homes that would kill hopes for a viable Palestinian state. Not very good are you.

They are not building, they are planning to build. Before complaining read this : Protecting the Contiguity of Israel: The E-1 Area and the Link Between Jerusalem and Maale Adumim

Especially when Israel breaks agreement after agreement. Israel don't want peace, they want the Palestinians out at whatever cost.

What peace agreements did Israel brake? Facts please.

You can't see the connection, that's because you've never seen nazism, listen to a holocaust survivor, he can see it.

Zionism = Nazism

Oh no, him again! Is that all you have from 3 million survivors?

Clearly you have no understanding of what I said.
Palestinians believe that the entire region is theirs happily giving up 80% of land they believe is theirs is not going to happen as would be the case in every country on earth.

Giving away Jordan wasn't a problem.

 

[senojekips]

You're looking at the wrong news.

Since when have AAP Reuters been the wrong news

I'm still waiting for your facts to disprove mine.

We're still waiting,...

Palestine didn't exist when more Jews arrived

Israel never existed (or Judaism most likely) in pre history when the antecedendents of the Palestinian people arrived in the area either, so what?

"it would have been wrong to demand that Israel return to its positions of June 4, 1967, because those positions were undesirable and artificial. After all, they were just the places where the soldiers of each side happened to be on the day the fighting stopped in 1948. They were just armistice lines. That's why we didn't demand that the Israelis return to them."

By those standards Israel is artificial. Better all go back where they came from
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What peace agreements did Israel brake? Facts please.[/quote beter still can you name one they ever even had the intention of keeping.

 

[MontyB]

You'd better come up with facts that contradicts mine.

Sorry is that some sort of threat?
If so this is where I respond with "or what"?


To be honest I did not see your post as worth responding to because in many ways I could have answered it myself by cherry picking a few conflicts and claiming they were 90% of the total worlds conflicts.

So if that is your final answer as to the number of conflict actions in the world I will go and find two that aren't about Sharia law (and I am being somewhat generous in giving you the ones you are claiming as not all of those are about it) and your stats will be shot out the window, hell I suspect I could achieve that just on South/Central American insurgencies alone.

Lets see...
FARC in Columbia and aren't the Shining Path still operating in Peru.
Both Honduras and Guatemala have lost control of entire regions of their countries to the Cartels then I can move on to Maoist insurgencies and tribal conflicts world wide but hey I only needed two to kick your 90% into touch.


Seriously man it is time to grow up if you want to have an opinion people at least consider start by posting actual information rather than the some deluded right wing ranting from the various blogs around the world as the great weakness of your case is the rather shallow accumulation of data you are using.

 

[VDKMS]

you are beating your head against the wall speaking with him and monty.. most of the sane world supports Israel and your efforts to bend over for peace... not one single country would put up with what you have in regards to being attacked......... I just wish you folks have reached the end of your tether and go and smoke them mothers...

that said, I think it obvious that Iran was testing your missile defense systems with this latest round of attacks... they're going to overwhelm you and will probably sneak a big one in on you....... I don't have much, but at least know you have this one poor souls support.

I don't mind speaking with them. They ignore me but I don't ignore them. Thanks to them I've learned a lot about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the more I learn the more I am convinced I am right. They don't like it but I don't care.

You lie through your teeth, Israel is not a Democratic state in any meaning of the word, it is in fact a Racist, pseudo religious Ethnocracy. Democracies do not treat 20% of their population as second class citizens with reduced rights.

Don't talk to the mirror! Talk to me. Give me facts instead of words. I give you one of mine: The first Arab justice on Israel's Supreme Court says the country is a place where diversity rules.

Democracies don't deny one fifth of their population from having full rights.

Everyone has the same constitutional rights in Israel. The PA does not have that. Who's the racist?

Haha,.. They are going to have to put up with a lot worse now some justice has finally been done, and the Palestinians start dragging some of the Israeli war Criminals before the ICC.

Wishfull thinking.

The legal impossibility of limited Palestinian statehood at the U.N.

The ACLJ has put together a comprehensive legal analysis of the fallacies, overreaching and illegality of the PA’s resolution at the U.N.

Yeah, Then please be specific because when you said eliminating madrassas, is just like saying we want no education system in Muslim countries, which is somewhat ridiculous.

Look at the CNN video I posted. You call that education?????

In the words of Mr. Churchill.

"The Americans will always do the right thing… after they’ve exhausted all the alternatives.”

Churchill was a very wise man.

In 1905, he foresaw the creation of the Israeli State. Churchill was the first non-Jewish Zionist. Twelve years before the Balfour Declaration, in 1917, Churchill called for a Jewish State.

Then in 1921, in a speech to the House of Commons, he spoke of a militant Islam sect, the Wahabis, more violent than any in history, which would kill their own sisters for wearing the wrong attire. These fierce zealots would terrorize the West with bomb-carrying Jihadists who would burn embassies and destroy buildings by their passion to sacrifice their lives for guarantee of Islam heaven.

International co operation such as Japan and China signing an agreement in 2011 to trade outside the dollar already is working on making our money useless.

We import almost EVERYTHING.

So what will we do when the paper in your wallet is just paper? And the ships don't want to off load goods here anymore?

Shoot everybody we don't like?

says enough, doesn't it?

Since when have AAP Reuters been the wrong news

Reuters Withdraws 'Fake Video' Showing Maiduguri Killings

Reuters Withdraws Nigeria Violence Story, Does Not Apologize

want more?

We're still waiting,...

Then you don't read it.

Israel never existed (or Judaism most likely) in pre history when the antecedendents of the Palestinian people arrived in the area either, so what?

When did they start to call themselves "Palestinians"? Answer please.

By those standards Israel is artificial. Better all go back where they came from

I knew it, you can read but does not understand.

 

[senojekips]

I don't mind speaking with them. They ignore me but I don't ignore them. Thanks to them I've learned a lot about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the more I learn the more I am convinced I am right. They don't like it but I don't care.

You are a proven deliberate liar a fact just confirmed by " Eden" (an Israeli citizen) stating that there are over 550,000 Jews living in The West Bank, an area you insist is not allowed to Jews.

Reuters Withdraws 'Fake Video' Showing Maiduguri Killings
Reuters Withdraws Nigeria Violence Story, Does Not Apologize

Thank you for proving my point that Reuters is a reputable source , if they find that news is incorrect they withdraw it and apologise.
Firstly, neither of the items you quote have been bought up by me.
Secondly Reuters have not withdrawn any of the articles which I have quoted

Did you know that the formation of Israel was never approved by the UN ? It was only ever a recommendation.

 

[MontyB]

says enough, doesn't it?

Actually it doesn't say anything.
What is it, world wide debt, % of diet made up of chicken, Increase in the price of raw fish, ***** shrinkage in cold weather?

I am assuming you are going to add what ever captions you feel are needed at a later date as it appears that you do with most of your data?

 

[m551sheridan]

Please elaborate?

it is called being a smart azz................

 

[VDKMS]

You are a proven deliberate liar a fact just confirmed by " Eden" (an Israeli citizen) stating that there are over 550,000 Jews living in The West Bank, an area you insist is not allowed to Jews.

Like I answered in another tread. You don't know the difference between Palestinian Area A , B and C. Learn that first before you make a fool of yourself (again).

Thank you for proving my point that Reuters is a reputable source , if they find that news is incorrect they withdraw it and apologise.
Firstly, neither of the items you quote have been bought up by me.
Secondly Reuters have not withdrawn any of the articles which I have quoted

They were wrong. Period. But I'll give another one.

Jun 22, 2012 : Title :Israeli air strike kills Gaza militant, breaks truce

a little bit further it writes : The strike in central Gaza followed the firing of two rockets at Israel earlier in the day.

So, according to Reuters, firing rockets at Israel does not break a truce but an Israeli retaliation does. Go figure.

Someone asked the reporter about it. Read here.

or this one :

Reuters tries to minimize photo deceptions

The original photo that shows a Turkish man with a knife in the lower-right, and a stabbed Israeli

Reuters' cropped version

Did you know that the formation of Israel was never approved by the UN ? It was only ever a recommendation.

You don't seem to know that the UN has no sway in the formation of new countries.

On Friday, May 14, 1948, twenty-four hours before the end of the British Mandate, David Ben-Gurion declared the independence of the Israeli state. The next day, the United States and Soviet Union recognized Israel.

Date of Admission of Israel to the UN : 11-05-1949

Resolutions granting Membership:
S/RES/69 (1949) of 4 Mar. 1949 (S/PV.414) - Adopted 9-1-1
A/RES/273 (III) of 11 May 1949 (A/PV.207)

States are admitted to membership in the United Nations by decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

About UN Membership

Actually it doesn't say anything.
What is it, world wide debt, % of diet made up of chicken, Increase in the price of raw fish, ***** shrinkage in cold weather?

I am assuming you are going to add what ever captions you feel are needed at a later date as it appears that you do with most of your data?

Sorry, forgot, it's about GDP.

 

[MontyB]

States are admitted to membership in the United Nations by decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

About UN Membership

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Well that was interesting seems Britain and the USA haven't paid their fees, should they even be allowed to participate?
Most clubs I know require that your account be paid up before you use the facilities and vote at the AGM.

 

[Yossarian]

Well that was interesting seems Britain and the USA haven't paid their fees, should they even be allowed to participate?
Most clubs I know require that your account be paid up before you use the facilities and vote at the AGM.

We have free membership coupons.

Here is a photo of one.

Also:

If you are a oil producing country and change from our currency that is a violation of your rent on planet Earth, you are now subject for us to use our coupons to evict you.

 

[senojekips]

This gives some small idea of the standards of Israeli "Justice" being adhered to in this land.

A Viable Palestinian State or a Bad Joke

 

[VDKMS]

This gives some small idea of the standards of Israeli "Justice" being adhered to in this land.

A Viable Palestinian State or a Bad Joke

Nice clip. Unfortunately it's not complete. She forgot to say that all this was with Palestinian approval. (signing of the Oslo accords). She also forgot to say that Ehud Barak's unprecedented Camp David offer in which the Palestinians would have received about 98 percent of the West Bank, Prime Minister Olmert's expansive proposal (both rejected by the Palestinians) in which the Israeli leader reportedly "accepted the principle" of the "right of return," and Prime Minister Netanyahu's unprecedented 10-month freeze of settlement construction.
How can you make peace with someone who always run away from the negotiations.
She also failed to mention UN Counsil resolutions.

 

[senojekips]

We know that it's not complete, as the Zionazis haven't finished stealing the land they want as yet. And you forgot that it was all stolen and the "agreements" extorted under extreme duress. "Agreements" that would not stand scrutiny in any unbiased court of law in the world.

What is so great about the PM of a rogue state agreeing to obey the law for only 10 months? It's like commending Hitler because he never actually ordered the construction of any dedicated Extermination Camps until 1941. (Chelmno)

There is no such thing as a "Right of return" as evidenced by the Israeli refusal to allow Palestinians to return to their homes and land. A fact supported by all honest Jews.

No Right of Return - Miko Peled

Palestine Right to Return - Yeremyhwh Ben Yisrael

 

[ScarabVenom]

She also failed to mention UN Counsil resolutions.

I thought those don't matter anymore. Didn't Israel break 35 UN resolutions already?

 

[BritinBritain]

I thought those don't matter anymore. Didn't Israel break 35 UN resolutions already?

Yea but that don't matter, the Israeli's are a law unto themselves, or think they are.

 

[udaka]

But Jews claim their ancestors were lived in
Palestine area and Jerusalem 2000 years ago, so the lands are belong arab or Jews?

Lets ask a question here, if some one was stealing your land would you not fight !!!! If you fought that thief who was richer and better connected than you does that make you a terrorist

 

[udaka]

, alarms, iron dome its all real, .

"Iron dome "??it is amazing, According to news ,Israel develop the "iron dome" for hit down the rocket ,the shell. I want know secret of this weapon.The israel own many moneys to burnt? If enemy shoot 10000 rocket or 20000 rockets by once ,did the Iron dome can defend it? Can somebody explain the priciple of iron dome?
I want ask a question?
If I throw a stone ,it will be hit down by iron dome? :angel:

 

[MontyB]

I think it is funny that the only support Israel is getting here is from a Chinese member, I guess when it comes to territorial disputes and civil rights the two countries are kindred spirits.

As for Iron Dome great idea but it has a slight problem using a $50,000 missile to shoot down a $5,000 one will eventually bankrupt someone or at the very least force budget changes.

 

[hamidreza]

But Jews claim their ancestors were lived in
Palestine area and Jerusalem 2000 years ago, so the lands are belong arab or Jews?

Here Jews, Arabs, christian,... and other religions are not important. In fact the lands belong to Palestinian who lived their, their fathers lived there, their grandparents lived there, ... , But now they have become refugee by the people who are mostly of European descent, and the occupiers are living in their ancestral land and they are refugee in other countries.