Here Jews, Arabs, christian,... and other religions are not important. In fact the lands belong to Palestinian who lived their, their fathers lived there, their grandparents lived there, ... , But now they have become refugee by the people who are mostly of European descent, and the occupiers are living in their ancestral land and they are refugee in other countries.
again, you keep confusing the palestinians with the philistines. they have nothing to do with each other. there was no palestinian nation untill 1967 and thats a fact. the jews were here before the christians and the muslims! well that is kind of obvious....
and monty, hes not the only israel supporter here. and stop repeating everything spike's says, its getting boring...
Here Jews, Arabs, christian,... and other religions are not important. In fact the lands belong to Palestinian who lived their, their fathers lived there, their grandparents lived there, ... , But now they have become refugee by the people who are mostly of European descent, and the occupiers are living in their ancestral land and they are refugee in other countries.
Thats the approach I take as well, I don't see why a formal state needed to be established for those returning from Europe in the 20 century, I don't see why all people's could have settled without the forceful taking of any land.
I know this sounds dreamy and almost impossible now under current circumstances.
But imagine what this region of the world could have been today if the mas immigration to Israel was done on a agenda of coexstiance. And the modern desecendants lived together without the forceful violation of property or rights. I wonder how many famous academics, writers scientist and political leaders could have come out of it.
How many new major service routes, airports and hospitals and universities could have been built. Hell even a defense force of Arabs and European descendents who worked and trained and served together to protect their little corner of the Middle East.
We humans are capable so many great things, yet we sqaunder ourselves by destroying each other.
We know that it's not complete, as the Zionazis haven't finished stealing the land they want as yet. And you forgot that it was all stolen and the "agreements" extorted under extreme duress. "Agreements" that would not stand scrutiny in any unbiased court of law in the world.
What is so great about the PM of a rogue state agreeing to obey the law for only 10 months? It's like commending Hitler because he never actually ordered the construction of any dedicated Extermination Camps until 1941. (Chelmno)
There is no such thing as a "Right of return" as evidenced by the Israeli refusal to allow Palestinians to return to their homes and land. A fact supported by all honest Jews.
learn the difference between UN General resolutions and UN Counsel resolutions. The former are only political statements from countries and not binding the latter are binding resolutions, all of which Israel complied (Syria and Iran don't)
"Iron dome "??it is amazing, According to news ,Israel develop the "iron dome" for hit down the rocket ,the shell. I want know secret of this weapon.The israel own many moneys to burnt? If enemy shoot 10000 rocket or 20000 rockets by once ,did the Iron dome can defend it? Can somebody explain the priciple of iron dome?
I want ask a question?
If I throw a stone ,it will be hit down by iron dome? :angel:
I think it is funny that the only support Israel is getting here is from a Chinese member, I guess when it comes to territorial disputes and civil rights the two countries are kindred spirits.
As for Iron Dome great idea but it has a slight problem using a $50,000 missile to shoot down a $5,000 one will eventually bankrupt someone or at the very least force budget changes.
Here Jews, Arabs, christian,... and other religions are not important. In fact the lands belong to Palestinian who lived their, their fathers lived there, their grandparents lived there, ... , But now they have become refugee by the people who are mostly of European descent, and the occupiers are living in their ancestral land and they are refugee in other countries.
Thats the approach I take as well, I don't see why a formal state needed to be established for those returning from Europe in the 20 century, I don't see why all people's could have settled without the forceful taking of any land.
I know this sounds dreamy and almost impossible now under current circumstances.
But imagine what this region of the world could have been today if the mas immigration to Israel was done on a agenda of coexstiance. And the modern desecendants lived together without the forceful violation of property or rights. I wonder how many famous academics, writers scientist and political leaders could have come out of it.
How many new major service routes, airports and hospitals and universities could have been built. Hell even a defense force of Arabs and European descendents who worked and trained and served together to protect their little corner of the Middle East.
We humans are capable so many great things, yet we sqaunder ourselves by destroying each other.
Your view is shortsided. The Jews didn't came there and started a war. To make a long story short. The British gave every living soul in the Palestine mandate (legally or illegally there) the same citizenship. So they were all citizens of the same state, a state that was supposed to become the Jewish homeland. The Palestinians, who never had a country in any form, didn't want one (refused their part). The jews took what was left for them.
May I remind you that it is the ruler who decides what becomes of the country and not the people living there (of which a lot were also immigrants from other arab states). Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and many other countries were formed by the British and French, not the people who lived there.
Those "opinions" are those of people with infinitesimally more knowledge of the subject than you VD and unfortunately a denial by you means nothing as has been noted by others here, you would deny your own existence if it suited your story.
3000 years ago there were no Jews there either it was inhabited by the ancestors of today's Palestinians the Canaanites. The Jews at this time were in Egypt and according to their own "alleged" history only arrived in the area we call Palestine about 1800BCE by which time the Canaanites ancestors had lived in the area for about 90,000 years. The Jews were merely a "blink in the eye of time", having no historic connection to the area within the context of this debate.
Israeli archeologists have been excavating under their supposed "Temple on the Mount" and in 60 years have found no credible evidence of a "Jewish" kingdom founded there, they have found Byzantine relics, cisterns walls, and other earlier artifacts but not a single thing that supports the story that this place ever belonged to or was built by any Jewish "Kingdom" as such. In view of past Jewish mythology, they will grab hold of the very slightest possible clue to do so.
Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs said:
King David and Jerusalem: Myth and Reality
Daniel Gavron.
To most Israelis it is axiomatic that the celebrations for the 3,000th anniversary of the conquest of Jerusalem by King David mark a real and tangible event; but this is far from certain. The biblical account of the capture of the city is the only one we have, and in the opinion of most modern scholars, the Bible is not an entirely reliable historical document. Corroborating evidence is required, and some indeed exists; but it is not conclusive. When all the available information has been assembled, the most that can be said is that there was probably (possibly), an Israelite ruler called David, who made Jerusalem his capital sometime in the tenth century BCE.
Source: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2003/9/King%20David%20and%20Jerusalem-%20Myth%20and%20Reality
Most significant archeological digs can find all manner of evidence to support their ideas within a few years. If the Israeli official view is so doubtful, after at least 150 years of multinational Archeological work in this small area, I'd say that even this report is seriously skewed in support Jewish mythology.
Those "opinions" are those of people with infinitesimally more knowledge of the subject than you VD and unfortunately a denial by you means nothing as has been noted by others here, you would deny your own existence if it suited your story.
3000 years ago there were no Jews there either it was inhabited by the ancestors of today's Palestinians the Canaanites. The Jews at this time were in Egypt and according to their own "alleged" history only arrived in the area we call Palestine about 1800BCE by which time the Canaanites ancestors had lived in the area for about 90,000 years. The Jews were merely a "blink in the eye of time", having no historic connection to the area within the context of this debate.
Israeli archeologists have been excavating under their supposed "Temple on the Mount" and in 60 years have found no credible evidence of a "Jewish" kingdom founded there, they have found Byzantine relics, cisterns walls, and other earlier artifacts but not a single thing that supports the story that this place ever belonged to or was built by any Jewish "Kingdom" as such. In view of past Jewish mythology, they will grab hold of the very slightest possible clue to do so.
Most significant archeological digs can find all manner of evidence to support their ideas within a few years. If the Israeli official view is so doubtful, after at least 150 years of multinational Archeological work in this small area, I'd say that even this report is seriously skewed in support Jewish mythology.
I was going to bring this up a few weeks ago but never really looked any further into proving my case, it would appear that there is very little evidence to support that there was even a "David" (seems they have a couple of tablet fragments from well after the period mentioning "a son of David" but that is about it), the over all summary was that while in their hearts they would like to believe that the stories were true there was little to no archeological proof.
I was going to bring this up a few weeks ago but never really looked any further into proving my case, it would appear that there is very little evidence to support that there was even a "David" (seems they have a couple of tablet fragments from well after the period mentioning "a son of David" but that is about it), the over all summary was that while in their hearts they would like to believe that the stories were true there was little to no archeological proof.
The evidence, or more to the point, the lack of any credible evidence, certainly makes it appear so.
This lack of credible evidence to support this alleged Jewish "History" is quite mind boggling. There are lots of long standing myths and fairy stories based on religious clap trap, but not really much else to back it up.
From the amount of repetition of these unfounded stories especially here on the internet, it would seem that the Jews, like many with sociopathic tendencies, believe the old theory that if you tell a lie often enough it will become accepted as fact,... a point that has been stated on this forum and elsewhere many times.
The lack of credible evidence to support Jewish "History" is quite mind boggling. There are lots of long standing myths and fairy stories based on religious clap trap, but not really much else to back it up.
From the amount of repetition of these unfounded stories especially here on the internet, it would seem that the Jews, like many with sociopathic tendencies, believe the old theory that if you tell a lie often enough it will become accepted as fact. A point that has been stated on this forum and elsewhere many times.
Yes but to be fair that is not solely a Jewish thing, most if not all religions are a collection of fairy stories given credence by the sword and thousands of years of enforced dogma.
Those "opinions" are those of people with infinitesimally more knowledge of the subject than you VD and unfortunately a denial by you means nothing as has been noted by others here, you would deny your own existence if it suited your story.
3000 years ago there were no Jews there either it was inhabited by the ancestors of today's Palestinians the Canaanites. The Jews at this time were in Egypt and according to their own "alleged" history only arrived in the area we call Palestine about 1800BCE by which time the Canaanites ancestors had lived in the area for about 90,000 years. The Jews were merely a "blink in the eye of time", having no historic connection to the area within the context of this debate.
Israeli archeologists have been excavating under their supposed "Temple on the Mount" and in 60 years have found no credible evidence of a "Jewish" kingdom founded there, they have found Byzantine relics, cisterns walls, and other earlier artifacts but not a single thing that supports the story that this place ever belonged to or was built by any Jewish "Kingdom" as such. In view of past Jewish mythology, they will grab hold of the very slightest possible clue to do so.
Most significant archeological digs can find all manner of evidence to support their ideas within a few years. If the Israeli official view is so doubtful, after at least 150 years of multinational Archeological work in this small area, I'd say that even this report is seriously skewed in support Jewish mythology.
So much bs.
There is no connection what so ever between today's fakestinains to historical Canaanites or Phillistins.Who both were destroyed,so even if some survived.You can't know who is a descadent of a phillistinis.
No evidencs of the temple?haven't you heard about Hakotal hamarvi?google it.
As for "Har habit"(Al aqsa mosque) it is occupied by Arabs today,we give it to them.And we cannot enter it.
If you really want to find out the truth,take a vacation to jerusalem.
Take this tour http://www.cityofdavid.org.il/en.
And then see for yourself.
Anyway,it doesn't matter what happend in the past.What do matter is whats going on today.
And i want peace with the palestniains even if i think they don't deserve it,
But with Abu mazan and hamas&co we cannot make peace.
Haled Mashaal said yestardy that he will not negotiate on anything.
Now you tell me,how do we make peace with an enemy that doesn't want it?.
There is actually only 1 way to do so.
And its war.
That is exactly the point. It is a wall,... just an tired old wall, nothing more nothing less, and after 150 years of archeological research there is not a shred of evidence to show any connection to any Jewish Kingdom. (and you're archeologists have been trying to find it for over 60 years and multi nationals for over 100 years prior to that). This is admitted in the post above where I quoted a release by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. There are thousands of old stone relics the area which has been inhabited for tens of thousands years. So far virtually nothing found even supports any Jewish claims.
Anyone could go and find a wall there and say, "this wall was built by three headed zombies from the planet Zork,... All bow to the mighty kingdom of Zorkonia"
That is exactly the point. It is a wall,... just an tired old wall, nothing more nothing less. after 150 years of archeological research there is not a shred of evidence to show any connection to any Jewish Kingdom. There are thousands of old stone relics the area which has been inhabited for 100,000 years.
Thats the approach I take as well, I don't see why a formal state needed to be established for those returning from Europe in the 20 century, I don't see why all people's could have settled without the forceful taking of any land.
I know this sounds dreamy and almost impossible now under current circumstances.
But imagine what this region of the world could have been today if the mas immigration to Israel was done on a agenda of coexstiance. And the modern desecendants lived together without the forceful violation of property or rights. I wonder how many famous academics, writers scientist and political leaders could have come out of it.
How many new major service routes, airports and hospitals and universities could have been built. Hell even a defense force of Arabs and European descendents who worked and trained and served together to protect their little corner of the Middle East.
We humans are capable so many great things, yet we sqaunder ourselves by destroying each other.
what?? this shows how little you know of this subject... the first jews who imigrated to here were arabs, in the 19th century... my city was established in 1883. please tell me how exactly does this, and europeans from the 20th century is related?
what?? this shows how little you know of this subject... the first jews who imigrated to here were arabs, in the 19th century... my city was established in 1883. please tell me how exactly does this, and europeans from the 20th century is related?
I also could be part of the wreck of the Hesperus, it could be part of any of thousands of old buildings in the area. It might have been part of a famous Canaanite ***** house. So far after 150 years of trying there is still no definitive proof, as admitted by your own government.
Nothing disproves the statement put out by your own Government. "There is no proof of any Jewish connection. that's pretty poor odds for a society who claims to have led a "great civilisation" in the area.
The first thing to hit my eye was the title of the video you posted, which supports exactly what I've been saying.
I also could be part of the wreck of the Hesperus, it could be part of any of thousands of old buildings in the area. It might have been part of a famous Canaanite ***** house. So far after 150 years of trying there is still no definitive proof, as admitted by your own government.
Nothing disproves the statement put out by your own Government. "There is no proof of any Jewish connection. that's pretty poor odds for a society who claims to have led a "great civilisation" in the area.
The first thing to hit my eye was the title of the video you posted, which supports exactly what I've been saying.
I also could be part of the wreck of the Hesperus, it could be part of any of thousands of old buildings in the area. It might have been part of a famous Canaanite ***** house. So far after 150 years of trying there is still no definitive proof, as admitted by your own government.
Nothing disproves the statement put out by your own Government. "There is no proof of any Jewish connection. that's pretty poor odds for a society who claims to have led a "great civilisation" in the area.
First of all,there is no connection between the canaanites or phillistins to today's fakestiniains,and you can't prove otherwise,
read the rest.
The video was just a thing i picked up from a quick search in google.
If you are really into it,you should come here for yourself and see.
DNA shows your lie for what it is, and just as interestingly it shows most of todays Ashkenazi Jews to be predominantly Khazars from southern Turkey having virtually no connection with the middle east at all. Only Zionist research shows differently. (Who would have guessed)?
Read The Khazar Empire and its Heritage By Arthur Koestler (A Jewish Researcher)
I ignore much of what you post because it is all material that has been dealt with on this forum many times. What you fail to realise is that you have just arrived, some of us have been answering idiots like you for years.
DNA shows your lie for what it is, and just as interestingly it shows most Ashkenazi Jews to be predominantly Khazars from southern Turkey having virtually no connection with the middle east at all.
I would no more visit your filthy rogue state than I would a Nazi concentration Camp or some third world dictatorship like Zimbabwe.
I ignore much of what you post because it is all material that has been dealt with on this forum many times. What you fail to realise is that you have just arrived, some of us have been answering idiots like you for years.[/QUOTE]
LOL so much bs.You only talk but never give any source to confirm.
You wouldn't vist my country because you don't want to find out the truth ..like i said,
cant look the truth in the eye..keep living in your little utopia.
If you've been answering idiots like me for years then itwill be easy for you to do so again ..so please.
DNA shows your lie for what it is, and just as interestingly it shows most Ashkenazi Jews to be predominantly Khazars from southern Turkey having virtually no connection with the middle east at all.
I would no more visit your filthy rogue state than I would a Nazi concentration Camp or some third world dictatorship like Zimbabwe.
I ignore much of what you post because it is all material that has been dealt with on this forum many times. What you fail to realise is that you have just arrived, some of us have been answering idiots like you for years.
LOL so much bs.You only talk but never give any source to confirm.
You wouldn't vist my country because you don't want to find out the truth ..like i said.
If you've been answering idiots like me for years then itwill be easy for you to do so again ..so please.[/QUOTE]I spend no more time on answering you than the absolute minimum, because you even deny statements of your own Government. Any proven facts you merely deny, so what is the point?
I spend no more time on answering you than the absolute minimum, because you even deny statements of your own Government. Any proven facts you merely deny, so what is the point?
Did you even bother reading what they writed in this "statement"(which isn't even a statement,but more of an opinion article)
"There is plenty of evidence for the existence of ancient Jerusalem."
" , on July 21, 1993, a team of archaeologists led by Prof. Avraham Biran, excavating Tel Dan in the northern Galilee, found a triangular piece of basalt rock, measuring 23 x 36 cm. inscribed in Aramaic. It was subsequently identified as part of a victory pillar erected by the king of Syria and later smashed by an Israelite ruler The inscription, which dates to the ninth century bce, that is to say, about a century after David was thought to have ruled Israel, includes the words Beit David ("House" or "Dynasty" of David"). It is the first near-contemporaneous reference to David ever found. It is not conclusive; but it does strongly indicate that a king called David established a dynasty in Israel during the relevant period."
"n 1865, Charles Warren, a British army engineer, discovered beneath the village of Silwan, a shaft leading to a tunnel connecting with the Gihon spring. For some time it was taken as self-evident that the "gutter" (tzinnor in Hebrew) of the biblical account was this shaft, named Warren's Shaft, after its discoverer."
Didn't Israel break 35 UN resolutions already?
