Corocotta said:My point is that the factories and the 20.000 soldiers located in Hiroshima could have be destroyed with conventional bombs and not with a nuke.
chewie_nz said:yes the japanese were evectivly beaten before the bombs were dorpped....problem was they didn't know that yet.
Corocotta said:My point is that the factories and the 20.000 soldiers located in Hiroshima could have be destroyed with conventional bombs and not with a nuke. Almost all japanesse cities were destroyed with conventional weapons, why not Hiroshima and Nagasaki?. If the US used a nuclear blast was with another intentions: scare Japan army (is it ethical to desintegrate 300.000 civilians just to scare? from my point of view obviously not), show USSR the power of the US , justify the 2 billion dollars investment in the Manhattan proyect and as a revenge from Pearl Harbour.
I made a question a few quotes again but nobody answered: Using an evil weapon to destroy an evil empite wouldn´t make the US also an evil nation? Or may be the crimes of the US has another rate of measure?
Corocotta said:In other order of things, did you read the link that I gave to declasiffied pappers that shows japanesse offers to surrender to Russia? Check my last post. Why using a nuke if the "japs" were so close to surrender?
Another question: if the use of the nukes had the porpouse of ending the war, why not using it first with diplomatic intentions? I mean, telling the japs what would happend in caso of non ancoditional surrender.
After the hiroshima blast the japs offer to surrender but their offer was ignored, why?
Italian Guy said:He would have called for UN inspections if they had existed, I tell you. Better, he would have made the UN from scratch just to get inspectors come and disarm the US
Corocotta said:Italian Guy said:He would have called for UN inspections if it had existed, I tell you. Better, he would have made the UN from scratch just to get inspectors come and disarm the US
The UN came into existence on October 24, 1945, after the Charter had been ratified by the five permanent members of the Security Council — Republic of China, France, the Soviet Union, United Kingdom, and the United States — and by a majority of the other 46 signatories.
Italian Guy said:He would have called for UN inspections if they had existed, I tell you. Better, he would have made the UN from scratch just to get inspectors come and disarm the US
Italian Guy said:You're fun, dude. That's why I said: "If it had existed"(=the UN didn't exist yet), and, further on, "he would have made the UN from scratch..."(=the UN wasn't there yet):
Italian Guy said:He would have called for UN inspections if they had existed, I tell you. Better, he would have made the UN from scratch just to get inspectors come and disarm the US
Oh the little wise doc teaching me when the UN was born
Corocotta said:Italian Guy said:You're fun, dude. That's why I said: "If it had existed"(=the UN didn't exist yet), and, further on, "he would have made the UN from scratch..."(=the UN wasn't there yet):
Italian Guy said:He would have called for UN inspections if they had existed, I tell you. Better, he would have made the UN from scratch just to get inspectors come and disarm the US
Oh the little wise doc teaching me when the UN was born
The confusion came from the "if they had existed", thought you were talking about the inspectors and not about the UN, but it doesn´t matter, my english is not that good and sometimes I can misunderstood certain expresions.
03USMC said:Corocotta said:By the way, japanese were very close to surrender before the nuclears blast, but i guess that the US wanted to test their brand new toy in order to scare hyphotetic new enemies such us the....USSR?
No they weren't. The Japanese Foreign Minister made some attempts to broker a peace agreement through the Soviets but they were not real or sincere.They were a stop gap.
While Civilian Ministers might have endorsed a peace agreement the IJA was going to fight on. They even attempted a coup on the Emporer after the A bombs to for stall the surrender.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki had Military Value and Industrial Value. The Japanese referred to them as Army Cities.
The fact is this. Whether or not you agree with it from your oh so high and shiney ivory tower on the moral high ground. The estimated US casualties in an invasion of the home islands was One Million. This does not take into account the POW's US, British, Aussie, Kiwi, Canadian and Dutch who would have been executed. It does not take into account the Aussie, Kiwi and British servicemen who would have taken part in the invasion and offensive. The bombings saved more than they killed.
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