Ft Hood shootings

Yeah again your right marsh oh paragon of virtue and truth.

I was only stationed there.

I didn't have an advisory mission.

I didn't live in an IP compound

Since I didn't live there I wasn't around IPs all the time living with them patroling with them etc.

You got marsh. You got me. But it amazes me that you have access to my records...talk about a freakin security breach.
 
03USMC said:
Yeah again your right marsh oh paragon of virtue and truth.

I was only stationed there.

I didn't have an advisory mission.

I didn't live in an IP compound

Since I didn't live there I wasn't around IPs all the time living with them patroling with them etc.

You got marsh. You got me. But it amazes me that you have access to my records...talk about a freakin security breach.
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Since I didn't live there I wasn't around IPs all the time living with them patroling with them etc.

You just answered you own question there. If you really lived in a foreign country (as opposed to a stationing) you wouldn't be running patrols. Thank you for proving my point.
 
WOW! Freakin wow! And marsh smokes my knot again with his rappier like intellect.

You know what. You are so much smarter and more worldly than us under educated knuckle dragging, mouth breathing grunts. I am amazed and yet thankful that you would lower yourself to educate us in all that is right and proper.

You are soooo freakin right marsh living with another culture 24/7 in some of the worst conditions imaginable could in no way teach us anything about said culture.

Now having wine and cheese in a Paris sidewalk cafe boy thats a cross cultural experiance.

Get clue.
 
03USMC said:
WOW! Freakin wow! And marsh smokes my knot again with his rappier like intellect.

You know what. You are so much smarter and more worldly than us under educated knuckle dragging, mouth breathing grunts. I am amazed and yet thankful that you would lower yourself to educate us in all that is right and proper.

You are soooo freakin right marsh living with another culture 24/7 in some of the worst conditions imaginable could in no way teach us anything about said culture.

Now having wine and cheese in a Paris sidewalk cafe boy thats a cross cultural experiance.

Get clue.
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I thank you for the compliment! And while we are on the subject of my superior intellect I'll point out that that its spelled RAPIER (which coincidentally is a French word) not Rappier. Furthermore, I am afraid
your analogy is not quite correct either. A Rapier is not really that sharp compared to other swords. It was used more as a thrusting weapon and less as a slashing one. Fencers use rapiers although they actually use the term "epee", but this is also incorrect because epee is just a "sword" in French and not a specific type of sword. Therefore having a rapier like intellect is incorrect, perhaps you should consider the words "claymore" or "broadsword".
as they would be more accurate. But please, no need to thank me. Today's little lesson is on the house.
 
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Damn further emasculated by marsh the authority on everything....just not my day guess I should go play with my crayons and coloring books.

Double tapped a p damn the luck! Oh well kinda hard for guys like me to unlearn stuff like double tap and immediate action.

But hey thats we got Sir marsh the pompous here to point out all our short comings.....and his court jesters (you decide who they are).
 
03USMC said:
Damn further emasculated by marsh the authority on everything....just not my day guess I should go play with my crayons and coloring books.

Double tapped a p damn the luck! Oh well kinda hard for guys like me to unlearn stuff like double tap and immediate action.

But hey thats we got Sir marsh the pompous here to point out all our short comings.....and his court jesters (you decide who they are).
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You forgot the handsomely cute!

But I am the pompous one now? I thought I was the wise? Or I am I both? Its settled then, I am Sir mmarsh the handsomely cute, pompous, and wise. I am a Knight on the quest for the holy grail. Now I do have a Sir Lancelot and a Sir Robin but you are right I will be needing a new Court Jester (we ate the last one)! Therefore a position has opened and I am accepting applications.
 
I'm absolutely gobsmakced that someone could do this to their own. I've been soaking up the news on this and am horrified on 2 levels.

1. That a soldier / officer could actually kill his fellow soldiers.
2. That a soldier suffered abuse because of his background and religion.

This will lead to the question was he a radical before he joined, or was he radicalised whilst in the Army - if so how, why, when and where.

I suspect he was radicalised whilst serving, due to his treatment by his peers, but I'm looking forward to finding out the true facts.
 
What I want to know is why didn't somebody do something BEFORE he started yelling allaih and shooting soldiers.
They sure found plenty on him AFTER the fact, how about we (as a nation) start checking BEFORE the fact?
 
Yes Marsh you are the pompous one.

You discount personal expierance out of hand because we were not "living" in the country we were only "stationed" there. Regardless of the amount of contact or mission was.

You are under the media advanced illusion that all of us are fobitts who go back inside the wire every night to KFC, Micky dees and the PX.

Your lack of actual knowledge as to how we operate colors your judgement and your perception.

Some of us live or lived with Iraqis and Afghans 24/7 we know them, we like them or dislike them based on merit. We talked to them shared with them. they love their kids and wives.They worry about the samethings we do. WE FREAKIN GET THAT MARSH.....because we know them.

You on the other hand live in a european country with an immigrant population you do not have the expierance of living with them in their culture. So your lessons and opinions mean less than nothing.

You are pompous and arrogant about it because you choose to ignore the experiances generated

BTW: Go to youtube and search Pog vs grunt and fobitt that will pretty much tell you how I feel about you and your bevy of supporters. I'd post a link but it's against ROE for language.
 
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All power rests with the Iraqi Government, we build hospitals, etc.. that's sounds like a George Bush talking point read word for word. That has zero effect on me. The fact is the Iraqis have asked us to leave...more than once, and yet we are still there. So much for your theory about the "we will leave when iraq when they ask to", Its Pure BS. The only reason we are leaving Iraq is because of American Public Opinion finally decided to end it, that's all.

We aren't an occupational force anymore? What do you call 130,000 US troops on Iraqi soil? The US Cheerleader brigade? Maybe you still buy that crap -I don't nor do the Iraqis if you read the polls. After all they have been saying for the past 5 years they want us gone completely.

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Of course what I say has zero effect on you, you've already made up your mind. It's 122,000 troops, and we are not in any of the population centers anymore, and the Iraqi Army and police have repeatedly said they aren't ready for us to leave yet. The Iraqi people have a chance to vote us out in January, and maybe they will, but the fact remains that this is the first time since they started voting here that the people have pushed this to a vote. They are ready for us to leave and we are ready to leave. You've really never heard the saying Rapier wit? It's comonly used because it means piercing... google "broadsword wit" and see if you come up with anything. You are obviously ignorant (it means uninformed before you ask). Rapier wit is used all the time, maybe you should look it up, but that lesson is on the house.
 
Believe it or not talking to some of the members here sharpens my dullness into a strong, fine, sharp point and fine edge. Man I love the members that applies to, we all know who they are.
 
He was a Christian Arab who was a recent convert. Was a major. To be honest I think shrinks have more problems than their patients.
 
mmarsh said:
I thank you for the compliment! And while we are on the subject of my superior intellect I'll point out that that its spelled RAPIER (which coincidentally is a French word) not Rappier. Furthermore, I am afraid your analogy is not quite correct either. A Rapier is not really that sharp compared to other swords. It was used more as a thrusting weapon and less as a slashing one. Fencers use rapiers although they actually use the term "epee", but this is also incorrect because epee is just a "sword" in French and not a specific type of sword. Therefore having a rapier like intellect is incorrect, perhaps you should consider the words "claymore" or "broadsword" as they would be more accurate. But please, no need to thank me. Today's little lesson is on the house.
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Please stick to the subject mmarsh, the subject is "Fort Hood Shootings", not rapiers, or swords or education on weapons.

This warning applies to everyone else also. Please tone down the sarcasim, taunts etc.
 
The Major os now off the ventilator, so I hope we'll have some answers soon. Here's recent stuff that has come out:

In regards to him not being religious because he supposedly drank and went to strip clubs, the local clubs have said that he came in frequently before the shooting. He brought with him a six pack, but drank a few sips from one and gave the rest away. Sound like an alcoholic to you?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573052,00.html

As I stated, radical muslims would start to praise Maj Nidal for his actions, like this radical Imam http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091109/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_muslims

The man did not just recently grow radical. He gave a presentation in college that stated Islamic law trumped the US Constitution and that justified suicide bombings, so this was not a recent turn in his philosophy. Now Congress may look into classifying this a terrorist attack http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091109/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting

He went out of his way to have his mother's funeral at the same mosque that 2 9/11 hijackers attended during the time that the same radical imam mentioned above was there http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/...er-tied-to-mosque-of-9-11-hijackers-1.1574654

Every time more information surfaces, it points the same way. Others have stated that he never spoke out against US policy, or the wars...false. That he was not a devout muslim...not so sure about that That he had nothing to do with terrorists and radicals... obviously if he met with Anwar Aulaqi, who lied to the FBI about his meetings with 9/11 hijackers, and then left to Yemen then that is not true. Is it really that shocking to people that this same radical imam is now praising his actions? There is obviously an effort by some to disregard all this and claim that it was just the typical nutcase. In that same respect, I would argue that suicide bombers are pretty crazy too, but oddly enough there seem to be a lot of them. This guy, I think was more of a self styled terrorist than an actual one. I know what people say about he could have been more useful to AQ as an intel guy, but maybe he really was just unhappy with his life and wanted to be a martyr. In the shia culture, martyrs are revered and that's why many people attempt to lay down their lives for those beliefs. It's usually no coincidence that these people have nothing good going on in their lives and turn to hate as a way of dealing with their dispair. I'm looking forward to more emerging, but the picture gets more and more clear daily. The guy was quite obviously an extremist. Oh, and as for him being harassed at work, I know most of you are unfamiliar with how the Army works but if you had the gall to harass a Major, you would be dealt with in the harshest manner. That and Ft Hood has a top notch EO program, and he never once filed a complaint.
 
Tovarish1 said:
He was a Christian Arab who was a recent convert. Was a major. To be honest I think shrinks have more problems than their patients.
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You think?................................I know, hot Nitroglycerin is more stable than a shrink.
I ahe a theory about whats gonna happen when he's able to answer questions, he'll either not say anything at all, or everything out of his mouth will be pro Islam and anti American
 
Thats what worries me about the U.S. Army, guys under allot stress, not wack jobs like this guy, but good soldiers that do their duty without hassle, its those guys that grap my attention. Because they are the ones Americans should focus on helping out of this disaster, not one guy and what he did, but the victims and aking about what kind of stresses the Army in particular are our soldiers put under, and I mean the abnormal ones, from long deployments, being away from home for more than a year, so on and so forth.
 
Yeah it does seem that as more evidence piles up this guy was a bad egg from a long while back with a thing for radical Islam.
A LOT of stuff just doesn't add up. Why did he join the Army? Why did he become an officer? Why did he suddenly go shooting on that day? Why didn't he pick a bigger/more important target? Why did he even go through that sort of schooling? It doesn't make any sense!
Like I said, simply saying he was a radical Muslim doesn't complete the picture because a guy in his position could have done SO much more damage.
One thing that seems to be clearer than anything else is political correctness did lead to this disaster. This guy was a walking time bomb and it was so obvious. Just no one could say it because it could terminate their career for racism or bigotry.


Man I'm going to get mud slinged by both sides.

What mmarsh means by living there opposed to being stationed there:
The dynamics are different. The kind of communication is different.
When you meet someone on their side on more amicable terms, they are more likely to explain themselves and tell you about what they think. When you meet for business (which a military interaction would be) they probably don't speak freely and if they do, you met one of the less intelligent ones. They will tell you what you want to hear.
I think that's the key difference.
As for radical Islam... the guys here who have gone off to fight the wars will know more about that. At least what the picture looks like when the rubber meets the road. As for every day Islam, I'd say unless the same folks who went to war also lived in Muslim countries outside of military compounds, immersed in the local culture, odds are Mmarsh will have a better clue.
When I meet locals of various countries and downplay my "American" side, they tell me all kinds of things they would never tell an American. I just nod and say yes and keep listening.

19K, thanks for the heads up.
You just never know what you can believe off the press.
 
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the_13th_redneck said:
Man I'm going to get mud slinged by both sides.
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not by me you won't. Your points are valid. We try to be as non threatening as possible, and many people over here are not afraid of us anymore, but packing an M4 and wearing body armor is going to affect how they act around us to a degree, so I see where you are coming from. I do, however beleive I've learned a lot from my Iraqi counterparts. It's easy to let your guard down a little when you work as closely as we do.

We are definately in agreement about how obvious the warning signs from Hasan were. We are also in agreement about the reason nobody did anything about it. Apparently the feds also intercepted some comunications between Hasan and that same radical imam who is now praising him (I mentioned it earlier). I wonder if that imam had any influence over his actions, perhaps even indirectly. Well, he's talking now, so we should know more soon and people can stop speculating. That's about the only comfort I can get from this. One of my soldier's uncles (also a Major who was about to deploy to Afghanistan) was killed in the attack. Very sad.
 
Yeah it does seem that as more evidence piles up this guy was a bad egg from a long while back with a thing for radical Islam.
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Was he, what evidence do you have for this? He was from Jordanian decent and he had communicated with a cleric sympathetic to al-Qaeda, however:

US officials said the content of the e-mail messages did not advocate or threaten violence, and was consistent with Maj Hasan's research for his job as an army psychiatrist, part of which involved post-traumatic stress disorder stemming from US combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The terrorism task force concluded that Maj Hasan was not involved in terrorist planning.
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what else is there? It seems to me his hatred has developed quite recently, certainly since the invasions.
 
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