Israel , America or palestine is terriost ?

[Eden]

ha,ha ! how a double stander! When Hamas attack your countries, it' terrorist! When Israeli air attack civilians of palestnian.It call "tragedy",
ha,ha,ha , how a shameless excuse! So in the air-strike of 2008 December ,27th,28th. The Israeli very easy misfire and miskilled many women and chirldren of palastain, because Israeli claim they are all the "terrorist?"
If you doult this picture is not from Gasa, why don't you suspicious these women and chirdren in the picture ? they weren't dead in the firepower of Israeli army. you should claim they were killed by Palastain arms.

Are you really that dumb?we attacked Hamas because he attacked us.
Its called self defence.
Give me the report on that day and i will reply you.But one thing i can tell you arleady,none aimed so these people will get hurt.Its not even logical,if we wanted to kill all the palestniains.we could've done it long long long time ago.

No we don't.We don't want to hit women or children.But it happens just like any other war.
And actually hamas kill a hell of alot palestniains(FATAH if i my remind you) and also in his prisons....

 

[udaka]

Israeli didn't kill all the Palastains people because they dare not,
Palastains population about 10 millions, half of them scatter around other countries in world. Israeli military hard to eridicate them at all.
If Israeli dare killed all the people of Palastains, it will cause outrage of all people in the world, even USA can't pertect Israel at that time!

You accused HAMAS or FATAH killed people of palastain, it ridiculars and unbelieverable! If HAMAS or FATAH killed it own people ,why palastain poeple support them took the power, you know hasmas or FATAH and palastain people all hate Israel, how they can kill each other? the hasmas(FATAH) and palastain people are same blood ,are countrymen. how they would kill each other?
You mean Israel goverment will killed it people ,too?

Its not even logical,if we wanted to kill all the palestniains.we could've done it long long long time ago.

No we don't.We don't want to hit women or children.But it happens just like any other war.
And actually hamas kill a hell of alot palestniains(FATAH if i my remind you) and also in his prisons....

 

[Eden]

Israeli didn't kill all the Palastains people because they dare not,
Palastains population about 10 millions, half of them scatter around other countries in world. Israeli military hard to eridicate them at all.
If Israeli dare killed all the people of Palastains, it will cause outrage all people in the world, even USA can't pertect Israel at that time!

You accused HAMAS killed people of palastain, it ridiculars and unbelieverable! If HAMAS killed it own people ,why palastain poeple suoport HAMAS take the power, you know hasmas and palastain people all hate Israel, how they can kill each other? the hasmas and palastain people are same blood ,are countrymen. how they would kill each other?
You mean Israel goverment will killed it people ,too?

Thank you for proving my point.
Israel don't want to kill innocent palestniains even according to your own logic.And most of the palestnians live in Jordna(their real home).IDF calls all the civilians that are living near a target before he strike. he even throw a small non lethal bombs to warn them.No army in the world has done anything like that.

Did you have ever heard about FATAH?do you know what Hamas did to
them?!!!Fatah was another terror organizton.But he wanted to stop doing terror and make peace.Hamas humilliated them and killed them.Check for yourself. learn about this conflict before you spit bs
Hamas killed more palestnians then israel.
Hamas kill anyone who uses drugs(and there are soo many in gaza.),because of their sharia law.

 

[Del Boy]

In the recent set- to, some 160 or so Arabs died and some 12 Israelis. This is broadcast as a measure of the unfairness of the conflict.

However, Israel chooses not to target civilians, in fact to warn them to avoid target positions in advance . However, Hamas does not protect their civilians; the bigger the numbers of civilian deaths the more it suits their propaganda aims.

On the other hand, Israel defends and protects its civilians, as well as trying to avoid hitting Arab casualties as far as possible.

160.

However, Hamas rains down thousands of rockets etc. on Israel, with the precise determination to kill as many Israelis as possible.

If it were not for the protection steps Israel takes, their casualties would have amounted to a great many thousands of Israeli casualties over the same period of the Arab 160. FACT.

YES - thousands deliberately wiped out in a few days. This position has been a daily event for a great deal of time.

Now, THAT is genocide ambition, thwarted only by Israeli keeping its gloves up.

Why should Israel be expected not to defend itself against allcomers bent on genocide.

Since El Hussaini the genocide of Israelis has been the plan; after all, remember that he was Hitler's closest fan and ally throughout WW2 and lived in Berlin to be close to his hero, just waiting to be given permission to wipe out world Jewry on Hitler's behalf; But he was too much even for Hitler!

NOW, that's a Nazi!! FACT!

So when you look for Nazis in current situations, look no further than the opponents of Israel. FACT!

Why should Israel be expected to roll over, why should they trust anyone?
So they choose to defend themselves; they know they cannot trust anyone else to help them retain the only shelter from the storm they have.

They choose to stand and fight if necessary.

So cut the rest of the b/s.

 

[VDKMS]

I think peoples opinions of the Palestinians is changing rapidly primarily because of the disparity in the fight and the dawning reality that peace with Israel will never happen because they are not really negotiating in good faith (To offer something you know the opposition can't accept is not good faith) they have become "the boy who cried wolf".

But hey you don't have to take my word for it all you have to do is ask these people who claim to want peace with the Palestinians how they think it can be achieved so far I have yet to see a viable peace plan from any of the pro-Israeli team here.

I would suggest that the majority of those who voted for the Palestinian upgrade at the UN are expecting a Palestinian state based on the 1967 lines with 1 for 1 land swaps to tidy up the borders.

que VD waffling on about Sharia Law and the the usual macho BS from the other two Marx brothers.

Never used the links I posted in the thread About Arabs in the Israeli Army Page 5 post #47?

Yes, the world conscience is waking up. And the mystery of this awakening is the resistance of Palestine people.
Why a group of people who are living in bad conditions and don't have any connection with outside world except that some hidden tunnel under Rafah crossing and don't have any strong ally in the world, are fighting, almost with empty-handed, by stone, wood and homemade weapons, against a regime who has advanced weapons and supported comprehensive and frequently by west especially US? In fact nobody does this without an important reason.

It is why they say they are the winner in eight days Gaze war although 145 of them were killed. Because their innocent children blood is the cost they are paying to wake up the world conscience and it is the only way they could be Victorious and they are completely right.

Bad conditions???

The Bank of Palestine Building in Ramallah

Al-Mashtal luxury hotel *****

Gaza Luxury Mall

Munib al Masri - Palestinian billionaire

Gaza fruit market

[URL="http://www.rohama.org/en/news/2897/palestinian-surgeon-breaks-record-of-fat-removal"]Palestinian surgeon Breaks Record of fat Removal[/URL]

Unfortunately about 70% of the Palestinians will never be able to go there, because their government only thinks about themselves instead of the Palestinian people.

ha,ha ,ha ,ha ha, Israel don't massacre civilians of Palastine? it is a joke! Israel army had occured many massacre events in decade years.
I take a example,According to France-Presse reported, On December 27th,28th,2008 year, Israeli warplanes launched massive air strikes on the Gaza area has caused 271 people death and 620 people injured.
Up to 29th, they medical deparment of Palastine found 271 people died and 620 people were injured. The latest round of Israeli air strikes caused six deaths.
Everybody agree this operation is terror action?




No any nonsense, the picture is truth!

Unfortunately, those people would still be alive and no damage done if the Palestinians didn't fire rockets from that place into Israel. May I also remind you that a lot of Palestinian rockets do not even reach israel and fall on Gaza neighborhoods?

Israeli didn't kill all the Palastains people because they dare not,
Palastains population about 10 millions, half of them scatter around other countries in world. Israeli military hard to eridicate them at all.
If Israeli dare killed all the people of Palastains, it will cause outrage of all people in the world, even USA can't pertect Israel at that time!

You accused HAMAS or FATAH killed people of palastain, it ridiculars and unbelieverable! If HAMAS or FATAH killed it own people ,why palastain poeple support them took the power, you know hasmas or FATAH and palastain people all hate Israel, how they can kill each other? the hasmas(FATAH) and palastain people are same blood ,are countrymen. how they would kill each other?
You mean Israel goverment will killed it people ,too?

rember this picture?

It traveled all around the world as proof of Israeli agression. The truth was that the child died because of a failed rocket launch by Hamas.
Dead child in Egyptian prime minister’s arms killed by Hamas, not Israel

 

[MontyB]

In the recent set- to, some 160 or so Arabs died and some 12 Israelis. This is broadcast as a measure of the unfairness of the conflict.

However, Israel chooses not to target civilians, in fact to warn them to avoid target positions in advance . However, Hamas does not protect their civilians; the bigger the numbers of civilian deaths the more it suits their propaganda aims.

So it is your contention that it is some how fairer when shooting fish in a barrel that you notify them beforehand?

Gaza is roughly 40km long and between 6 and 12km wide approximately 360km2 and houses 1.7 million people, the largest city in this country is 1.5 million and 483km2 that equates to 2,700 people per km2

So tell me where are these people going to go in such a small area thanks to the magnanimous Israeli gesture?

 

[Cartman]

So it is your contention that it is some how fairer when shooting fish in a barrel that you notify them beforehand?

Gaza is roughly 40km long and between 6 and 12km wide approximately 360km2 and houses 1.7 million people, the largest city in this country is 1.5 million and 483km2 that equates to 2,700 people per km2

So tell me where are these people going to go in such a small area thanks to the magnanimous Israeli gesture?

your comment is so out of context its amazing.

 

[senojekips]

your comment is so out of context its amazing.

You mean, "You don't have an answer"?

Your ridiculous excuse is the equivalent of telling ten people locked in a broom closet, "Lookout!,... we are about to throw a phosphorus grenade in there in twenty seconds"

Exactly what is the problem with you Israelis, you take money from and then steal the secrets of your one and only real ally and sell them to his enemies, you steal another people's land and kill them for daring to resist, then you tell lies to the International community that are so childishly formulated, as to be ridiculous.

Because you've got the US fooled, you really think that the world is inhabited with idiots, don't you? The fact is, that if the US gave up supporting you, (and it will eventually happen) the Israelis wouldn't have a friend in the world.

That will be interesting,.....

 

[Del Boy]

So it is your contention that it is some how fairer when shooting fish in a barrel that you notify them beforehand?

Gaza is roughly 40km long and between 6 and 12km wide approximately 360km2 and houses 1.7 million people, the largest city in this country is 1.5 million and 483km2 that equates to 2,700 people per km2

So tell me were are these people going to go in area thanks to the magnanimous Israeli gesture?

That's the crappiest response I have ever seen from you. I did ask folk to cut the b/s. Obviously you are scraping the bottom of your fish barrel.

My contention, since you need to ask, is that Israel always strives to give civilians warning of targetted buildings etc. I remind you that referring to Arabs as 'fish in a barrel' is inappropriate. They are not fish at all and the Israelis care for them more than Hamas does in that respect.

Your attempt at deflection cuts no ice with me, I lived through the Nazi blitzkreig on East London which was packed tight with civilians. Our leaders cared enough for us to provide shelter and refuge, even though the Nazis gave no warning whatsoever. To move from a targetted building into others is not impossible. Gaza has plenty of money-making tunnels and there is no reason why Anderson shelters should be an impossibility .

Hamas should protect its civilians; why does it not?

For Hamas it makes good publicity.

On the other hand, the Israelis, hit by hundreds of rockets every day, take steps to defend its people.

Otherwise, thousands upon thousands of Israeli victims would be stacked up against the 160 Arab casualties. This 160 was accidental - the rockets raining in on Israel were hell bent upon intentional genocide - civilians deliberately targetted for maximum impact.

I have noted that you have studiously tried to deflect the intended strike rate :- Thousands upon thousands of Israelis on one side - 160 unintentional Arabs on the other.

As far as size is concerned, you now understand that Israel is a mere slip of space defending itself against the enormous Goliath of Arabia which has as much land, as much space as they would ever need.


EDIT.

MONTY B - I wish to withdraw the word 'crappiest' from my opening sentence. Apologies - I have seen worse. So how about 'weakest'.

Furthermore, I was saving that line especially for you when referring to the recent Kiwis v. England rugby bunfight.

Furthermore - Happy Christmas.

 

[Cartman]

You mean, "You don't have an answer"?

Your ridiculous excuse is the equivalent of telling ten people locked in a broom closet, "Lookout!,... we are about to throw a phosphorus grenade in there in twenty seconds"

Exactly what is the problem with you Israelis, you take money from and then steal the secrets of your one and only real ally and sell them to his enemies, you steal another people's land and kill them for daring to resist, then you tell lies to the International community that are so childishly formulated, as to be ridiculous.

Because you've got the US fooled, you really think that the world is inhabited with idiots, don't you? The fact is, that if the US gave up supporting you, (and it will eventually happen) the Israelis wouldn't have a friend in the world.

That will be interesting,.....

its not an excuse, stop taking everything out of context... i dont need to reply to him, Del boy answered pretty much what i wanted to say.

 

[MontyB]

EDIT.

MONTY B - I wish to withdraw the word 'crappiest' from my opening sentence. Apologies - I have seen worse. So how about 'weakest'.

Furthermore, I was saving that line especially for you when referring to the recent Kiwis v. England rugby bunfight.

Furthermore - Happy Christmas.

Just for the record New Zealand and England have played 34 games against each other the score is New Zealand 27, England 6 with 1 draw.

Congratulations on verifying the law of averages.

Now how about answering the question rather than taking us off on the usual tangent, you have 1.7 million people bottled up in an area just over half the size of New Zealand largest city what exactly does notifying them do and given that the area is sealed off where do they go?

as I pointed out Auckland is the largest and most congested city we have at 2700 people per sqkm2 an area with more people and less size must therefore have a greater population density.

There is also something you should know, if you post nothing worth replying to I probably wont reply as I see little point in repeating myself continually as usually happens in our conversations.

 

[Del Boy]

Just for the record New Zealand and England have played 34 games against each other the score is New Zealand 27, England 6 with 1 draw.

Congratulations on verifying the law of averages.

Now how about answering the question rather than taking us off on the usual tangent, you have 1.7 million people bottled up in an area just over half the size of New Zealand largest city what exactly does notifying them do and given that the area is sealed off where do they go?

as I pointed out Auckland is the largest and most congested city we have at 2700 people per sqkm2 an area with more people and less size must therefore have a greater population density.

There is also something you should know, if you post nothing worth replying to I probably wont reply as I see little point in repeating myself continually as usually happens in our conversations.

Just for the record, why don't you tell us the score of the recent game?

Now - I answered your rubbish post very fully. As I said I have seen worse - ONCE.

You try to divert attention from the REAL matter in question. That is, the FACT that if Israel did not take defensive action, the hundreds of missiles rained on Israel over the period of a few days, would have resulted in many thousands of Israeli deaths - a deliberate policy of genocide intention. Measured against the 160 casualties of the Arabs this is a no-brainer. How many would it have been without so many warnings to civilians?


So the real question is - What have you to say about that; put your math into those figures and tell us - or cut the b/s. Answer required.

Because you are unable to answer doesn't mean that the question is not worth answering. It only means that you can't cut the mustard.


And this is something you should know.
As for your poor attempt to claim the high moral ground, forget it, I don't give a toss what you do. . Get off your horse and drink your milk. Be my guest.

 

[Cartman]

Just for the record New Zealand and England have played 34 games against each other the score is New Zealand 27, England 6 with 1 draw.

Congratulations on verifying the law of averages.

Now how about answering the question rather than taking us off on the usual tangent, you have 1.7 million people bottled up in an area just over half the size of New Zealand largest city what exactly does notifying them do and given that the area is sealed off where do they go?

as I pointed out Auckland is the largest and most congested city we have at 2700 people per sqkm2 an area with more people and less size must therefore have a greater population density.

There is also something you should know, if you post nothing worth replying to I probably wont reply as I see little point in repeating myself continually as usually happens in our conversations.

you talk like israel used nuclear bombs on gaza
1 missile wont destroy the entire city, not even a street. precise airstrike in order to destroy a target such as building, tunnels and cars wont kill 1.7 million people.

 

[senojekips]

its not an excuse, stop taking everything out of context... i dont need to reply to him, Del boy answered pretty much what i wanted to say.

Tell the truth, Delbot made an outrageously stupid statement to which the answer was both simple and extremely obvious. When confronted with this fact in Montys answer you suddenly state that it is taken "out of context"

However, Israel chooses not to target civilians, in fact to warn them to avoid target positions in advance . However, Hamas does not protect their civilians; the bigger the numbers of civilian deaths the more it suits their propaganda aims.

It has already been pointed out that in the case of Gaza any leaflets telling people to leave, would actually cause more casualties, as it drives them out into the open where there was a far greater danger from shrapnel, white phosphorus and stray (and deliberately aimed) small arms fire.

So you can forget any claims that Israel does not deliberately target civilians, it has both been admitted by them and observed by others. (The Dahiya Doctrine)

 

[udaka]

Hey ,American and Israeli ,wake up. The people in the world are supporting Palastain people fight for their freedom and independant more and more,Inculde our Aisan people!
In the recent UN General Assembly vote on Palestine--- the Us and Israel was totally isolated with 138 votes for Palestine and 9 with the US ---138 countries support Palastain become observer of the United Nation.
The Palastain will become a country eventually, whether Israel will or not!

NO matter Israeli and USA start their proganda machines cheat Earth people, but the truth not on their side!

 

[Eden]

Hey ,American and Israeli ,wake up. The people in the world are supporting Palastain people fight for their freedom and independant more and more,Inculde our Aisan people!
In the recent UN General Assembly vote on Palestine--- the Us and Israel was totally isolated with 138 votes for Palestine and 9 with the US ---138 countries support Palastain become observer of the United Nation.
The Palastain will become a country eventually, whether Israel will or not!

NO matter Israeli and USA start their proganda machines cheat Earth people, but the truth not on their side!

Keep spreading your bs. The vote for Palestine was only as observing country. If i was u i would shut up,you sill havent answered my comment. People support Palestine ? Depends where you look

 

[senojekips]

Keep spreading your bs. The vote for Palestine was only as observing country. If i was u i would shut up,you sill havent answered my comment. People support Palestine ? Depends where you look

Please provide a credible link to show that Udaka's post was in any way incorrect.

 

[MontyB]

you talk like israel used nuclear bombs on gaza
1 missile wont destroy the entire city, not even a street. precise airstrike in order to destroy a target such as building, tunnels and cars wont kill 1.7 million people.

This would be true had you only fired 1 missile but you launched 1500 attacks (note that is not 1500 missiles it is 1500 individual targets hit) on various targets so the question remains given that the area is a high population density where are they to go given that you attacked 1500 locations in an approx 140sqkm area?

Just for the record, why don't you tell us the score of the recent game?

I have no idea what it was I was in Germany when the game was played, unfortunately for you while most Kiwi's are rugby mad I prefer the NFL where I am a Packers fan (they are doing well by the way 9-4 so far for the season thanks for asking) which is why I have rarely if ever commented on the previous 12 games where your "team" was hammered by us and I certainly wouldn't bring up the embarrassing conduct and performance of England at the last world cup I mean mentioning the Wilkenson cheating incidents would just be below the belt and I am above that.

Anything else on this issue you wish to discuss?

 

[Del Boy]

Yes there is :- Please remind me of score of the recent match. You must have forgotten to answer that lead question. Don't be coy - please tell us the score. Other than that, I have no interest in your sporting like and dislikes, although I seem to remember you dangling previous scores favourable to your team.

My my - you are very forgetful today. You also forgot to post your math on the one important issue put to you:-

The unintentional and unfortunate civilian casualties - compare to the thousands of missiles rained on Israel with the genocidal intent on maximum civilian casualties. Discuss.

Only Israel's defences prevented deaths of thousands.

 

[MontyB]

Yes there is :- Please remind me of score of the recent match. You must have forgotten to answer that lead question.

My my - you are very forgetful today. You also forgot to post your math on the one important issue put to you:-

The unintentional and unfortunate civilian casualties, compare to the thousands of missiles rained on Israel with the genocidal intent on maximum civilian casualties. Discuss.

Only Israel's defences prevented deaths of thousands.

Time for the bifocals to get an upgrade I think as I answered your question in the first line of the previous post and I am sure you can google it just as fast as I can.

Now come on we are starting that spiral again and I have already mentioned that I am not going to let you do that again, as for your math question well even you know that it is unanswerable and in fact I am not even convinced it is a question more a philosophical conundrum for idiots as the answer can be any number from none to 1.7 million.