Israel , America or palestine is terriost ?

Are you saying that the acceptance of UNC resolutions is not valid????
Wow! after 12 months you are finally waking up.

How many times does it have to be said, "Any Negotiation, Contract, Agreement or Arrangement, agreed to under duress can be shown to be null and void".

Tell us that you are just playing the Zionist "waiting game", the longer you can stall the more legitimate you feel your case is. But it doesn't work that way does it?

The PA is closer to a Nazi regime than Israel is.
Wrong!.... Israel is occupying Palestine The Nazis were also occupiers.
Israel has an admitted policy of ethnic cleansing, also disenfranchisement of the native population, harassment, beatings, denial of urgent medical treatment, and unpunished arbitrary murder, the Nazis had the similar policies.

The killing of a Jew is not a capital offence, worse, the PA are encouraging it.
Not only is the killing of Palestinians tacitly encouraged by Israel, most cases never even make it to court, those that do, are virtually all dismissed. having come under close scrutiny Israel bought down one of it's very few convictions only last year.
Mondoweiss* said:
A Jerusalem teenager, identified only as “A,” was given a perplexingly short 8- year sentence after a plea bargain for the stabbing death of a Palestinian, Hussam Rawidi, following a brutal and apparently unprovoked attack. The charge was reduced from “murder” to” killing, (manslaughter)” which enabled the court to impose the lenient sentence. The crime occurred on February 11, 2011. Rawidi was 24-years-old when he was killed.
They even get paid more for being in a Israeli prison for murdering Jews than the hardworking Palestinians.
They were imprisoned for fighting for their land, so they are paid by the PA just as most POWs continue to be paid whilst incarcerated.

Who's the Nazi here?
Quite obviously, You are!...

*Mondoweiss
an unbiased political journal by Jewish publishers, Phillip Weiss and Adam Horowitz.


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Wow! after 12 months you are finally waking up.

How many times does it have to be said, "Any Negotiation, Contract, Agreement or Arrangement, agreed to under duress can be shown to be null and void".

You still didn't read the Oslo accords, did you? Article 1 says:

"It is understood that the interim arrangements are an integral part of the whole
peace process and that the negotiations on the permanent status will lead to
the implementation of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338."​

Show me the FACT that it is agreed under duress.

Tell us that you are just playing the Zionist "waiting game", the longer you can stall the more legitimate you feel your case is. But it doesn't work that way does it?

BS , and you know it.

Wrong!.... Israel is occupying Palestine The Nazis were also occupiers.
Israel has an admitted policy of ethnic cleansing, also disenfranchisement of the native population, harassment, beatings, denial of urgent medical treatment, and unpunished arbitrary murder, the Nazis had the similar policies.

The Nazis occupied sovereign nations by attacking them. Israel occupies land that was annexed or occupied by Arab states in a defensive war, which is legal.

Etnic cleansing? In Israel Jews, Christians and Muslims live side by side in peace with the same constitutional rights. In the PA controlled area A (where almost ALL Palestinians live) Jews are not allowed (like in Nazi Germany) and Christians are leaving.

Not only is the killing of Palestinians tacitly encouraged by Israel, most cases never even make it to court, those that do, are virtually all dismissed. having come under close scrutiny Israel bought down one of it's very few convictions only last year.

At least the Jew is in Jail, if it would be the way around the killer would be hailed as a hero and get a paycheck rise. Google for Abbas Al-Sayid.

They were imprisoned for fighting for their land, so they are paid by the PA just as most POWs continue to be paid whilst incarcerated.

You call blowing up a pub full of innocent civilians, fighting for their land? In international law , if they were fighting for their land, that's called a war crime.

Quite obviously, You are!...

That's not me, you are looking in the mirror.

*Mondoweiss an unbiased political journal by Jewish publishers, Phillip Weiss and Adam Horowitz.

Why in the hell would you read unbiased news? Mondoweiss is known for its anti-israel statements. That's why you read it.


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You still didn't read the Oslo accords, did you? Article 1 says:
"It is understood that the interim arrangements are an integral part of the whole
peace process and that the negotiations on the permanent status will lead to
the implementation of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338."​
Show me the FACT that it is agreed under duress.
Or conversely you could show us the FACT that is was not. I'm not even going to bother as we all know it was under duress anyway, as are all talks with Israel.

BS , and you know it.
Not at all.

Etnic cleansing? In Israel Jews, Christians and Muslims live side by side in peace with the same constitutional rights. In the PA controlled area A (where almost ALL Palestinians live) Jews are not allowed (like in Nazi Germany) and Christians are leaving.
Other than the fact that this has all been demonstrated to be a incorrect before, you are again displaying that you are no more than a deliberate and compulsive liar (with strong sociopathic tendencies).
The Guardian said:
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem guardian.co.uk, Thursday 26 July 2012 18.50 BST
Population of Jewish settlements in West Bank up 15,000 in a year
Number of settlers has almost doubled in 12 years.

Now having shown you to be a deliberate and malicious liar again I shall treat your further answers with the disdain they so richly deserve.

Bye Bye,.....
 
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The Arabs countries are so incompetent, they natural resource and man-powers resource are more than a dozen times compare with Israel, but in four middle east wars Arab were lose. They always been bully and killed by little Israel.
On the other hand, the Arabs always maintain their high-GDP by sell their petroleum. The race will become poor when their oil dry up in next decades. or some energy can replace oil in future(For example, hydrogen energy). The Arabs no industry ,no agriculture, no technology, how they can compete with the Israel? You know Jews are the smartest race in the world.
 
The Arabs countries are so incompetent, they natural resource and man-powers resource are more than a dozen times compare with Israel, but in four middle east wars Arab were lose. They always been bully and killed by little Israel.
On the other hand, the Arabs always maintain their high-GDP by sell their petroleum. The race will become poor when their oil dry up in next decades. or some energy can replace oil in future(For example, hydrogen energy). The Arabs no industry ,no agriculture, no technology, how they can compete with the Israel? You know Jews are the smartest race in the world.
So if it is, change your religion to Judaism to become smart. They are not one race when there are Russian Jews, European Jews, Arab Jews, Persian Jews, Kenyan Jews,.... . And the interesting thing is that there are only 13-14 million Jews in the world but they have such variety of races.
 
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Or conversely you could show us the FACT

Now having shown you to be a deliberate and malicious liar again I shall treat your further answers with the disdain they so richly deserve.

Bye Bye,.....


Yes it is..
around 550,000 jews are living in the west bank.
got lots of friends there.since i live nearby
 
Yes it is..
around 550,000 jews are living in the west bank.
got lots of friends there.since i live nearby
Thank you, for supporting my point, but don't worry, VD will insist that you are wrong as he is a "Truth minimiser" employed by the Israeli propaganda department.
 
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Or conversely you could show us the FACT that is was not. I'm not even going to bother as we all know it was under duress anyway, as are all talks with Israel.

It was not because they all signed it and after all those years no one denounced it.


Other than the fact that this has all been demonstrated to be a incorrect before, you are again displaying that you are no more than a deliberate and compulsive liar (with strong sociopathic tendencies).

Again, words, words, words no facts.

PLO ambassador says Palestinian state should be free of Jews

"Such a state would be the first to officially prohibit Jews or any other faith since Nazi Germany, which sought a country that was judenrein, or cleansed of Jews, said Elliott Abrams, a former U.S. National Security Council official."​

Bye Bye,.....

CU
 
It was not because they all signed it and after all those years no one denounced it.
which in no way shows that it was not signed under duress.




Again, words, words, words no facts.
Again, words, words, words no facts.

I notice that you had little to say about your previously disproven deliberate lie, regarding No Jews being in Palestinian territories?

Get over it you are a pathological liar, you just can't help yourself, are you going to refute this also?
Yes it is..
around 550,000 jews are living in the west bank.
got lots of friends there.since i live nearby
 
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Well here is a positive...
Cheering U.N. Palestine Vote, Synagogue Tests Its Members

By SHARON OTTERMAN and JOSEPH BERGER

Published: December 4, 2012 506 Comments



Congregation B’nai Jeshurun, a large synagogue on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, is known for its charismatic rabbis, its energetic and highly musical worship, and its liberal stances on social causes.

James Estrin/The New York Times
The statement from B’nai Jeshurun, on the Upper West Side, stood out because of the synagogue’s size and prominence.


But on Friday, when its rabbis and lay leaders sent out an e-mail enthusiastically supporting the vote by the United Nations to upgrade Palestine to a nonmember observer state, the statement was more than even some of its famously liberal congregants could stomach.
“The vote at the U.N. yesterday is a great moment for us as citizens of the world,” said the e-mail, which was sent to all congregants. “This is an opportunity to celebrate the process that allows a nation to come forward and ask for recognition.”
The statement, at a time when the United Nations’ vote was opposed by the governments of the United States and Israel, as well as by the leadership of many American Jewish organizations, reflected a divide among American Jews and a willingness to publicly disagree with Israel.
Clergy at several Jewish congregations have, in various ways, spoken out sympathetically about the United Nations’ vote. But B’nai Jeshurun stood out because of its size and prominence, and reaction from congregants was swift. Allan Ripp, a member, said he and his wife were appalled.
“We are just sort of in a state of shock,” he said. “It’s not as if we don’t support a two-state solution, but to say with such a warm embrace — it is like a high-five to the P.L.O., and that has left us numb.”
Other congregants, however, said it was a bold move that they welcomed.
“I thought it was very courageous of them,” said Gil Kulick, a congregant. “I think as of late there has been a reluctance to speak out on this issue,” he added, “and that’s why I was really delighted that they chose to take a strong unequivocal stand.”
American Jews have long had a vigorous, and sometimes vitriolic, debate about the positions of the Israeli government and the peace process with the Palestinians. But the tendency has been to keep critical views within the fold.
“At most times we impose a kind of discipline upon ourselves — nobody imposes it on us — particularly on a matter that the Israeli government has asked for unanimous support from the Jewish community,” said Samuel Norich, the publisher of The Forward, a Jewish affairs weekly based in New York. “When they speak out, that is rare,” Mr. Norich said of mainstream congregations.
Gary Rosenblatt, the editor and publisher of The Jewish Week, the largest-circulation Jewish newspaper in the country, said, “I think the sense of a need for a unified front in the American Jewish community is breaking down.”
In White Plains, a group of synagogues from different branches of Judaism — Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist — sent an e-mail to congregants after the United Nations’ vote expressing cautious optimism about Palestine’s new status.
“For their own reasons, most of the American Jewish organizations felt it was necessary to fall into line,” said Lester Bronstein, a rabbi at Bet Am Shalom Synagogue in White Plains and one of the signers of the letter. “I think what we said is indicative of what more and more rabbis believe, and more and more, but in trickles, are able to say it.”
The rabbis at B’nai Jeshurun — J. Rolando Matalon, Marcelo R. Bronstein and Felicia L. Sol — did not respond to requests for comment on the e-mail, which was also signed by the president of the synagogue’s board of directors and its executive director.
While its gist — that the vote could be a step toward a two-state solution and Middle East peace — was not surprising to congregants, its tone and its timing were jarring, some said.
“It’s very shocking to many of the congregants that this position was taken publicly and this e-mail was sent around,” said Eve Birnbaum, a member of the congregation for about 15 years.
“I am very dismayed, as a longstanding member of the synagogue, that the rabbis and the board would take a position that is contrary to what many members believe, contrary to the peace process,” she added.
It was not immediately clear how widespread opposition to the rabbis’ e-mail has been within the congregation, but Mr. Ripp said he had been inundated with messages from people upset about the rabbis’ statement, and some members had posted comments online and circulated e-mails expressing concern.
But others supported the action.
“The statement reflected the views of the rabbinate and the leadership,” said Scott A. Weiner, 63, a congregant. Mr. Weiner said that during the Gaza conflict, he had been among about 20 people in Israel with Rabbi Matalon, the congregation’s senior rabbi, and that the group had been forced into bomb shelters several times.
“There is an unwavering commitment of support for the State of Israel,” he said. “But just as Israeli society is multidimensional, so, too, is the congregation.”
B’nai Jeshurun, which is not affiliated with any of the major branches of Judaism, generally worships in an elaborate Moorish-style sanctuary on West 88th Street; its best-attended services, which draw several thousand people, spill over into a church nearby.
Among those attending have been Representative Jerrold L. Nadler, a Manhattan Democrat; the actress Debra Winger; the actor Rick Moranis; and Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman.
The synagogue has attracted attention for its success at energizing a once-struggling congregation. During services, congregants are encouraged to express themselves and often clap and even dance to the music, which is at times accompanied by keyboard, congas, mandolin, flute, guitar or cello.
Lectures and events are popular not only among members, but also among young single Jews seeking social connections.
A heated debate also ensued online over an e-mail that Rabbi Sharon Brous of Los Angeles sent to her congregants during the Gaza conflict that said the Palestinian people “are also children of God, whose suffering is real and undeniable.”
Her sentiment was attacked by Rabbi Daniel Gordis, senior vice president at the Shalem Center in Jerusalem, in a column for The Times of Israel.
“I wanted her to tell her community to love my family and my neighbors more than they love the people who elected Hamas and who celebrate each time a suicide bomber kills Jews,” he wrote. “Is that really too much to ask?”
Rabbi David Ingber of Romemu, another liberal synagogue on the Upper West Side, said the criticism of Rabbi Brous had helped inspire him to lead his congregants in a prayer for the children of Gaza, as well as for the Israeli people.
Still, he said, he would not go as far as sending an e-mail like the one from B’nai Jeshurun because he feared it would be divisive.
“This is the constant question among liberal, progressive Jews: what does it mean to support Israel?” he said. “Does it mean never criticizing Israel?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/n...lestine.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&pagewanted=all
 
which in no way shows that it was not signed under duress.




Again, words, words, words no facts.

I notice that you had little to say about your previously disproven deliberate lie, regarding No Jews being in Palestinian territories?

Get over it you are a pathological liar, you just can't help yourself, are you going to refute this also?
The jews in the wb live in the c area which is under fullisraeli control.and belong to israel.so he doesnt lie
 
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which in no way shows that it was not signed under duress.

Well, no matter how you think about it, it's there and it is vallid. It doesn't become invalid because you think it was made under duress.

Again, words, words, words no facts.

I notice that you had little to say about your previously disproven deliberate lie, regarding No Jews being in Palestinian territories?

Get over it you are a pathological liar, you just can't help yourself, are you going to refute this also?

You do not seem to know the difference between Palestinian areas A, B and C. Maybe it is because you think it was made under duress. You better read the Oslo accords, there's more information in it than you think.

Well here is a positive...

Here too:

Jewish-American Groups React to UN Palestine Statehood Vote

American Jewish Leaders and Groups Blast United Nations Palestinian Authority Vote
 
The jews in the wb live in the c area which is under fullisraeli control.and belong to israel.so he doesnt lie
If you read the original post of mine, it was about Ethnic cleansing, taking place in Palestine no "Areas" were mentioned, and you have just again justified my point Ethnic cleansing is taking place on palestinian land. The fact that it is occupied by Israel makes no difference as the occupation itself is illegal and amounts to an attempt at defacto annexation, another crime.

Area "A" itself is a joke comprising of 18% of the Palestinian land. in the West Bank merely amounting to a few large towns.

Any Israeli citizens living on any part of Palestine Contravenes international law. Regardless of what Israel thinks.
The international consensus (including the United Nations) is that all Israeli settlements on the West Bank beyond the Green Line border are illegal under international law.[53][54][55][56] The European Union[57] and the Arab League[citation needed] consider the settlements to be illegal. The majority of legal scholars also hold the settlements to violate international law,[7]
This is disputed only by Israel,... Who would have ever guessed?

Israel's Illegal Occupation


Well, no matter how you think about it, it's there and it is vallid. It doesn't become invalid because you think it was made under duress.
It's a basic tenet of common law, and is lumped in with such crimes as Blackmail and extortion.
 
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Seems everything is coming up roses...

Israel settlements: UK considers 'further steps' over expansion

William Hague tells parliament European countries will have to discuss action if Israel refuses to reverse plans



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The plan for 1,600 more homes in Ramat Shlomo caused a diplomatic crisis when it was first announced in 2010. Photograph: David Silverman/Getty Images

Britain and other European countries will consider "further steps" if Israel refuses to reverse its plans for settlement expansion after a wave of diplomatic protests, the foreign secretary, William Hague, has told parliament.
Australia and Brazil joined five European countries in summoning Israeli ambassadors to hear condemnation of plans to build thousands of settler homes and develop highly sensitive land east of Jerusalem. The Israeli announcement is seen as a direct response to the UN's recognition of Palestine as a non-member observer state. In addition to last week's announcement, which came within hours of the UN vote, Israel said on Tuesday it would proceed with two more construction programmes in East Jerusalem.
One plan, for 1,600 homes in Ramat Shlomo, caused a major diplomatic crisis when it was originally announced, during an official visit by the US vice-president, Joe Biden, in the spring of 2010; the second planned expansion, of 2,600 homes in Givat Hamatos, will further impede access between Jerusalem and Bethlehem.
Despite international fury over the proposals, Hague suggested that economic sanctions against Israel were unlikely. He said: "I don't think there is enthusiasm … about economic sanctions in Europe on Israel. I don't believe there would be anywhere near a consensus, nor is that our approach. We continue to try to bring both sides back to negotiations.
"Nevertheless, if there is no reversal of the decision that has been announced, we will want to consider what further steps European countries should take."
The Palestinians raised the possibility of taking legal action against Israel at the international criminal court (ICC). The senior Palestinian official Nabil Shaath said: "By continuing these war crimes of settlement activities on our lands and stealing our money, Israel is pushing and forcing us to go to the ICC."
After the UN recognition, the Palestinians are entitled to apply to join other international bodies, such as the ICC. This was one of the major reasons behind Israel's objection to the move.
The Palestinian envoy to the UN, Riyad Mansour, wrote to the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, warning that Israel "will be held accountable and will have to bear the consequences of its violations and obstruction of peace efforts".
Israel was behaving "in a rogue, hostile and arrogant manner, contravening all principles and rules of international law and reacting with contempt to the will of the international community", the letter said.
The government spokesman Mark Regev said Israel was "responding in a very measured way to a series of Palestinian provocations".
All Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are illegal under international law.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/04/uk-israeli-expansion-hague-settlements

The UN decision was a chance for Israel to demonstrate that it was genuine in its desire for peace it gave both sides the opportunity to make a two state system happen but instead of taking the reigns and becoming a peace maker Israel thew its toys out of the cot and the world has begun to react.
 
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If you read the original post of mine, it was about Ethnic cleansing, taking place in Palestine no "Areas" were mentioned, and you have just again justified my point Ethnic cleansing is taking place on palestinian land. The fact that it is occupied by Israel makes no difference as the occupation itself is illegal and amounts to an attempt at defacto annexation, another crime.

No land was ever occupied or annexed from the Palestinians. The land was occupied from a defensive war with Jordan who illegally annexed it. It used to be land under control of the British Mandate. Before that time the "West Bank" was rejected by the Arabs. In other words, the Palestinians rejected the land they now claim occupied by Israel.

Area "A" itself is a joke comprising of 18% of the Palestinian land. in the West Bank merely amounting to a few large towns.

Where 55% of the West Bank Palestinians live. Area B , also under civil control of the Palestinians inhabits 41% of the West Bank Palestinians. This means that the PA has control over 96% of its population. Only 4% of the Palestinian population lives in Area C – most of them Bedouins, who mostly live in tents and are used to moving from place to place.

Any Israeli citizens living on any part of Palestine Contravenes international law. Regardless of what Israel thinks. This is disputed only by Israel,... Who would have ever guessed?

Wrong. Read the Geneva conventions. Not one Jew was forced to live there.

Israel's Illegal Occupation


It's a basic tenet of common law, and is lumped in with such crimes as Blackmail and extortion.

This is about legal contracts between Israel and the PA not between two persons where one forces the other to sign something. You seriously have to educate yourself in legal issues.
 
---all previously disproved---(several times)It was you who specified "Area A" not me, I was talking about Palestinian Land, all of it, and you knew it
This is about legal contracts between Israel and the PA not between two persons where one forces the other to sign something. You seriously have to educate yourself in legal issues.
That is exactly the point,... the "contract" is not legal as the conditions were arrived at under severe duress, as is the case in extortion and/or blackmail.
(Either you accept the conditions Israel offers, or we'll murder the rest of you and just take it).
 
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This is about legal contracts between Israel and the PA not between two persons where one forces the other to sign something. You seriously have to educate yourself in legal issues.

I suspect it is you that needs to look into contract law here as contracts that are not negotiated in good faith (for instance, fraud) or contracts made under duress (or force) or undue influence (unfair manipulation) are also not considered legally binding.

It doesn't matter who or what entity the contract is between.

Your best line of attack is not to try and rewrite contract law but rather to demonstrate that the accord was not signed under duress.
 
I have something to say guys,

Why are you speaking of contracts and crap? Maybe there was a contract between the Palestinians (forced) and the Israelis? That doesn't prove that Israel is an angel. Did Israel have a contract on the Sinai? Do they have a contract on the Golan Heights?
 
I have something to say guys,

Why are you speaking of contracts and crap? Maybe there was a contract between the Palestinians (forced) and the Israelis? That doesn't prove that Israel is an angel. Did Israel have a contract on the Sinai? Do they have a contract on the Golan Heights?
All two or more party "agreements" (written and verbal) are negotiated subject to Contract Law. If they do not conform, there is no legal obligation on either party.
 
All two or more party "agreements" (written and verbal) are negotiated subject to Contract Law. If they do not conform, there is no legal obligation on either party.

I'm saying that even if there was a legal obligation on Israel like a UN resolution, they wouldn't care anyways. That's my point.
 
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