Georgia "Invaded" By Russian Forces

Here's the only poll question we'd need

Question: Should we get our sub fleet back in the playing tag mode like we were in the 80's?


The guy on the news said it won't be like the cold war was, but unlike him I remember the cold war, I was involved in ever little disturbance between 1980 and 1999, trust me this could possibly end up another cold war, or worse.
 
I see great danger in Russia, they have improved greatly over the past 10 or so years, I own 4 Russian made weapons they are very well made for what they are I also have an old school red dot scope which is of high quality and a steal at the price I payed for it. Also dealing with Russian citizens I found them to be honest and always deliver never dishonest, but they are a bit slow getting the product to the customer.

They have learned a lot about capitalism, now the country is feeling it's oats I just think we should consider our moves very carefully. Putin is not a moron, he is a chess player and has calcualted his moves very carefully he is playing this game at least 3 moves ahead unlike some of our politicans who can't see past the next move or the next election.

Just my humble opinion.
 
Personally I think far too many people here are still living in the cold war, hate to break it to you all but the Soviet Union no longer exists and never will again, even at the height of its power it was chased out of Afghanistan and now has to be content with trying control 3rd world **** holes like Chechnya and we have seen the extent of America's capabilities in the Middle East and I think it fair to say that less people are impressed now than 2003.
 
I am not underestimating them at all but I refuse to overestimate them to generate fear, I am sorry but in the end "the Russians really aren't coming".

It is becoming apparent that there are people on these boards who like to live in fear because everyone seems to be out to get them if its not the Russians its the Chinese if its not the Chinese then its the North Koreans, Iranians, Europe, Cuba, Muslims, anti-gun people, liberals, the media personally I prefer reality to paranoia any day of the week.


I thoroughly recommend looking up something called Occam's Razor (Sometimes spelled Ockham's) I find that it is the easiest way to live life.

I am convinced that that this Georgian thing is nothing more than Russia using some inept Georgian government decisions to flex its muscles, they will go in do their thing and go home again.
 
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Can we get a poll about this?

Question: Who do you support?
Options: Georgians, Russians, Ossetians, Neither

As boris advised. However fair warning if it becomes us against them or you against me. I got a whole lotta locks that ain't doin nothin.
 
I am not underestimating them at all but I refuse to overestimate them to generate fear, I am sorry but in the end "the Russians really aren't coming".

It is becoming apparent that there are people on these boards who like to live in fear because everyone seems to be out to get them if its not the Russians its the Chinese if its not the Chinese then its the North Koreans, Iranians, Europe, Cuba, Muslims, anti-gun people, liberals, the media personally I prefer reality to paranoia any day of the week.


I thoroughly recommend looking up something called Occam's Razor (Sometimes spelled Ockham's) I find that it is the easiest way to live life.

I am convinced that that this Georgian thing is nothing more than Russia using some inept Georgian government decisions to flex its muscles, they will go in do their thing and go home again.


You do have some good points. However to play devils advocate, could this be Putins way of testing Nato and the Wests resolve?
 
If it isn't, it might turn out that way anyway. Don't think Beirut and Mogadishu were really meant to test the West's resolve but it turned out that way.
 
You do have some good points. However to play devils advocate, could this be Putins way of testing Nato and the Wests resolve?

To be honest I think it would be a huge mistake if it is.

I think about by attempting to rationaise it against what I would do in the same situation and if I was the boss of a small country bordering Russia who did not want to be a Russian satellite or neutral I would be looking to get into NATO as fast as I could now.

In essence if that is his plan I can easily see it backfiring and I suspect that he is smart enough to know this as well which is another reason I am thinking Russia is being heavy handed but honest on this one.
 
Personally I think far too many people here are still living in the cold war, hate to break it to you all but the Soviet Union no longer exists and never will again, even at the height of its power it was chased out of Afghanistan and now has to be content with trying control 3rd world **** holes like Chechnya and we have seen the extent of America's capabilities in the Middle East and I think it fair to say that less people are impressed now than 2003.


Monty, not every one thinks on the same wave length as you or I. Different cultures and egos produce different thoughts. History has proven that...

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics no longer exists. But that doesn't mean that the force of Russia isn't something to trifle with. Just because the name has changed and the have a new look doesn't mean that their train of thought has changed. They still have a crap load of nukes, they still want to be a super power, and they still don't trust the west. It's cultural.

When your country is invaded repeatedly over history by nations from the west you get a little paranoid. Israel is also a prime example. America has a gun culture and thinks it's the world police; Russia has a power trip culture and still wants to be top dog.

As for American Military action.... I don't know. We still hold the ground. We still have boots on the ground. Fighting a war and winning the peace are two different things. Right now America is trying to win the peace. But when it comes to simply fighting the war. America :cen:ing takes names.

The Russians are the same.... they might have gone through a couple of problems since the fall of the CCCP but the Red Army can still open up a can of fire fight.

Last time I checked the USA tries to avoid harming civilians and innocents. The Russians don't give a flying :cen:. Sadly in war the USA is not perfect but we try. Russia doesn't and they apply it to their shock and awe.





I am not underestimating them at all but I refuse to overestimate them to generate fear, I am sorry but in the end "the Russians really aren't coming".

It is becoming apparent that there are people on these boards who like to live in fear because everyone seems to be out to get them if its not the Russians its the Chinese if its not the Chinese then its the North Koreans, Iranians, Europe, Cuba, Muslims, anti-gun people, liberals, the media personally I prefer reality to paranoia any day of the week.


I thoroughly recommend looking up something called Occam's Razor (Sometimes spelled Ockham's) I find that it is the easiest way to live life.

I am convinced that that this Georgian thing is nothing more than Russia using some inept Georgian government decisions to flex its muscles, they will go in do their thing and go home again.

As for fear issues. Some people believe that the sky is falling.... but come on. Russia isn't exactly a push over. IT'S ARMED TO THE :cen:ING TEETH! They preach anti-NATO ideals all day to their people.

You view the State of Georgia as an inept government... that's your views. Two Regions of Georgia (a Sovereign Nation) were causing issues. That's like Florida and Alabama were causing problems and Mexico invades to secure those two states. Along the way they also take over California, Nevada, and Arizona. That's not right...

Lastly Russia is doing this for one reason OIL! They are a major player in the energy market and Georgia was going to step into the market with their own pipe line...... Hmmmm think for a second. Russia, Oil, rival nation. Gee. Remember, Russia poisons people with nuclear material because they talk bad about them.

Putin knocks off people that compete against him. Media owners, free press writers, etc...

Also Georgia might have it's screw ups but at least they are trying to be a democratic government of the people, by the people, for the people. Where Russia is a Despotic Regime run by a former KGB Agent. Putin wants to be the new Stalin/Romanov. He wants to rule a new Russian Empire. It might now be the Soviet Union but that doesn't mean he doesn't want the lands back that were once part of the CCCP or the Russian Empire.

China is it's own case. They want to be a major player and are simply playing all of use. They don't do what they do out of the kindness of their hearts. They do it because culturally they think differently. The Chinese look things in the long term.
 
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Do you guys think NATO is still interested in Georgia now that Russia is openly threatenning such a move and has shown that they don't hesitate to move? Is Georgia worth the risks?

Maybe it's just meant to be a buffer state between Turkey (NATO) and Russia (Soviets) ?
 
i have many Russian family members they live in Russia they are not communist anymore, look in a history book the soviet union fell STOP CALLING US RUSSIANS SOVIETS .:brave:
 
Do you guys think NATO is still interested in Georgia now that Russia is openly threatenning such a move and has shown that they don't hesitate to move? Is Georgia worth the risks?

Maybe it's just meant to be a buffer state between Turkey (NATO) and Russia (Soviets) ?

I am not sure NATO is ever "interested" in anyone but I imagine that if Georgia ever reaches the standards required by NATO for membership they will be allowed to join no matter what Russia has to say.
 
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The United States must not get dragged into this fight or else it could get really ugly. The best option is international sanctions and diplomacy.
 
The United States must not get dragged into this fight or else it could get really ugly. The best option is international sanctions and diplomacy.

Yeah, because that has worked so well in the past. You may as well give a bit of appeasement a go. That was about as successful.
 
The United States must not get dragged into this fight or else it could get really ugly. The best option is international sanctions and diplomacy.

Or let the rest of our allies see us no nothing and give them a reason to reconsider their alliances with us. The world is watching us right now. Our allies and our enemies. Russia knew, full well, there would not be military action by the US to stop this. Otherwise, they wouldn't have acted.

They see us like we see ourselves - splintered, weakened, a shell of the bristling cold-war deterrent to the Soviet war machine.

And, this is the price of liberal "peacekeeping only" military strategy. We are weakened and it will only get worse with Obama's military cuts..

Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria must be feeling really safe tonight.

It wouldn't be over Georgia...it would be over freedom and defending
such...

If not Georgia...who?

Poland?

In the end...

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.


How is this situation any different?
 
I'm Canadian, regardless of what the US does militarily, we will always be allies.

Or let the rest of our allies see us no nothing and give them a reason to reconsider their alliances with us. The world is watching us right now. Our allies and our enemies. Russia knew, full well, there would not be military action by the US to stop this. Otherwise, they wouldn't have acted.

They see us like we see ourselves - splintered, weakened, a shell of the bristling cold-war deterrent to the Soviet war machine.

And, this is the price of liberal "peacekeeping only" military strategy. We are weakened and it will only get worse with Obama's military cuts..

Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria must be feeling really safe tonight.

It wouldn't be over Georgia...it would be over freedom and defending
such...

If not Georgia...who?

Poland?

In the end...

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.


How is this situation any different?
 
Russia's going to win just look at the odds Russia-T80, T92 ,BMP2 ,BMP3,MI24,MI28,MIG29,SU-35,KA50,BLACKJACK vs Georgia-T72,T62,T55,BMP1,BTR60,SU25,MI24. and its 10 to 1 Russia's whooping some Georgian ass. Georgia should try gorilla warfare that would work try to bleed Russia , then Putin would think twice about occupying Georgia.:hide:
 
Would the U.S. aircraft flying Georgian troops home from Iraq have a U.S. fighter escort whilst in Georgian airspace?

I noted from one news service that Putin is pretty upset that the U.S. is flying the Georgians home. Other than putting every C-17 capable airfield out of commission or taking out the C-17s what can he do about it?
 
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