Georgia "Invaded" By Russian Forces

Right now, the Russians are pissed off that we, Americans, brought the 2,000 Georgian troops to Georgia from Iraq....
 
It's spreading. Damn, it's spreading into western Georgia , they'll probably take Abkhazia as well. Freaking Russians are annexing 1/3 of Georgia while the rest of the world is watching olympic games. This is rediculous. :-x

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7554507.stm

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Georgia says Russia has deployed an additional 4,000 troops in Abkhazia. :(
 
For the record, I haven't seen a single second of the Olympics. When is the Wrestling, Judo and Tae Kwon Do? That's all I'm interested in.
 
I am seriously concerned. This conflict is freaking serious. Lots of factors at play, first off the independence and integrity of the Georgian country and people, but also the US and NATO credibility. I am afraid Russia will win this one on so many strategic levels and it will be a bad precedent. Other times weak and threatened peoples were disappointed by Western powers and their aspirations crushed in blood and terror happened with the Czechs and the Poles in WW2 and with the population of Basra in Gulf War 1.
And as somebody else said, the US has its hands tied right now and Europe is yet again confirming that it is NOT an actor in matters of international relevance.
Whether the Georgians have actually shot the first bullet or not, doesn't matter - it is now self-evident that what is at stake is our credibility as NATO vis-a-vis Russia.
We are seriously entering a new era of uncertainty and local conflicts, which btw I believe Mr McCain will be more equipped to deal with right when the last thing the world needs in DC is another Carter.
Other than that, let's get Ukraine in before too late.
 
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Lunatik said:
It's spreading. Damn, it's spreading into western Georgia , they'll probably take Abkhazia as well. Freaking Russians are annexing 1/3 of Georgia while the rest of the world is watching olympic games. This is rediculous. :-x

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7554507.stm

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Georgia says Russia has deployed an additional 4,000 troops in Abkhazia. :(
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You know the more I see and hear of this conflict the more I think Russia has done the right thing, at best the Georgian government comes across as almost Clouseau-esque (Pink Panther movies) in its stupidity and I think a sizable proportion of the worlds governments has the same impression which is why you perceive the "world to be watching the Olympics".


Italian Guy said:
I am seriously concerned. This conflict is freaking serious. Lots of factors at play, first off the independence and integrity of the Georgian country and people, but also the US and NATO credibility. I am afraid Russia will win this one on so many strategic levels and it will be a bad precedent. Other times weak and threatened peoples were disappointed by Western powers and their aspirations crushed in blood and terror happened with the Czechs and the Poles in WW2 and with the population of Basra in Gulf War 1.
And as somebody else said, the US has its hands tied right now and Europe is yet again confirming that it is NOT an actor in matters of international relevance.
Whether the Georgians have actually shot the first bullet or not, doesn't matter - it is now self-evident that what is at stake is our credibility as NATO vis-a-vis Russia.
We are seriously entering a new era of uncertainty and local conflicts, which btw I believe Mr McCain will be more equipped to deal with right when the last thing the world needs in DC is another Carter.
Other than that, let's get Ukraine in before too late.
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1) Georgia is not part of NATO and NATO already had serious reservations about allowing them in.
2) Of course is matters that Georgia shot first, this has been the cornerstone of NATO and US actions in places like Bosnia and Kosovo.
3) What in all seriousness do you think will be gained by escalating this to include the Ukraine?
4) Even Bush only goes as far as saying "We condemn bombing outside SO".
5) Do you seriously think if Russia was planning to "annex" Georgia it would have taken them this long to subdue the place?
 
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The problem here IG is half the country are white flag fliers. So, I don't see us getting involved, though I agree with you that it will make us and NATO look like sissies in thongs.

Georgian folks ought to use some A-stan strategy and tactics and embarrass the Bear.
 
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i kinda feel bad for the Georgians but if we don't step in in Georgia Russia mite not stop with Georgia they mite keep going like Azerbaijan. and maybe even the Ukraine.:tank:
 
WARMUNGER said:
i kinda feel bad for the Georgians but if we don't step in in Georgia Russia mite not stop with Georgia they mite keep going like Azerbaijan. and maybe even the Ukraine.:tank:
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Yeah and the USA might invade Syria and Iran, lots of ifs and maybes but in the end that is all it is.
 
My fear is two fold... the raise of Russia and that this event can be a Archduke Franz Ferdinand type event. This little border clash could lead to WWIII. If NATO and the Russians clash I 100% believe that the conflict will not stay as a conventional conflict. Nuclear Weapons will be used at some point if it becomes larger and the USA or NATO as a whole becomes involved.

But there is a problem for the USA itself. Georgia has 32,650 total active duty ground troops. They had 2,000 combat ground troops in Iraq and have been working with US Forces since 1999 in many military operations. That is a large number of combat ground troops to send to Iraq for a small military force. Remember, it takes between 10-20 support soldiers to support one combat soldier so that is a very large contribution to Iraq. Georgia has been a big supporter and ally of the USA.

If the USA does not in anyway support Georgia it will destroy America's world relations among it's allies. Why would other nations support American Operations if America does not support them in their times of need?

But if the USA becomes involved in this is anyway.... it can easily get messy very quickly. If American Combat Troops fight Russian Units. The war will get bigger. American positions all around the world will be open game for attack by Russian Units. It's only natural that if Russian and America are fighting each other even in Georgia for each nation to attack each other's military and strategic targets.

That could easily lead into a Major World War. Because if we become involved then NATO might, etc... if that happens and either side which are major powers in both economic and military power face each other the conflict would be either fast and quick through the use of nuclear weapons or it will be long and in the end either side will resort to nuclear weapons because they don't want to lose.

In the end.... I do not see a Tom Clancy type ending to a war if a USA/NATO vs Russia type conflict occurs. I don't see either side staying conventional very long and I don't see a coup in Russia happening at the end right before the use of Nukes are used thus avoiding a nuclear exchange and Russia capitulating.

Get ready folks.... WWIII might be right around the corner.
 
I have 20 milbucks that says the military side of this will be over before the end of the week and 100 that says the end of the month at the latest.
 
I have been undergoing a very painfull inspection today. Here is the deal Russia has the end game and knows exactly what they are going to do before they do it. This is a live fire exercise for them at Georgia's expense. I am sure this will be over with in a week.

But not the ramifications of this incursion, Russia is back and we better get used to it. Pushing NATO up to the Russian border is very dangerous.
 
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AikiRooster said:
CHina would most likely back Russia as well. Get your ammo out!
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The PRC has no dog in this fight. Sure, the ChiComs and the Soviets (I will forever call Russia that.) have become more friendly over the past couple of years but that doesn't mean they're allies.

The ChiComs have no interests involved in this. They have no political issues, no economic issues, or even cultural issues. The PRC is going to set back and play in the Olympics.

Topmaul said:
I have been undergoing a very painfull inspection today. Here is the deal Russia has the end game and knows exactly what they are going to do before they do it. This is a live fire exercise for them at Georgia's expense. I am sure this will be over with in a week.

But not the ramifications of this incursion, Russia is back and we better get used to it. Pushing NATO up to the Russian boarder is very dangerous.
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I have always stated that Russia is a threat and that the bear never went away. It was hibernating but it wasn't dead. Russia wants to go back to their old ways. Position of power, Sphere of Influence, etc....

Having NATO on their borders did happen. Yes, NATO was not bordering Russia proper but Russia owned all of Eastern Europe remember.... Russia was the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union was the WARSAW PATCH. Russia invaded two WARSAW PACT States during the Cold War. Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

NATO and the free world must stand up to the Russians now just as how we did during the Cold War. If not then the Bear will get more bold everyday.
 
@Mods

Can we get a poll about this?

Question: Who do you support?
Options: Georgians, Russians, Ossetians, Neither
 
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