Seals vs. Marines - Page 4




 
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February 7th, 2004  
No MERCY
 
 

Topic: seals are better


Seals are better in the way they train. Pardon my french, but seals do the things marines wouldn't dare to do. their trainning is more complex as my theory can tell.

Marine expeditionary units do have guts. But seals are trainned in the best anti-terrorism facilities. They are experts in combat diving and will not stop fighting until the objective is complete. They are usually the ones to scope out an area for the marines.


a recon marine is always willing to fight no matter what the ods are. During Name' they were called night stalkers. The veitcong were scared out of their pants. They took out enemy strong holds and gained intel on head officer where abouts. The destroyed any underground tunnels found. 4 of my great uncles fought in Name' as Recon Marines!


The gunny did all the work. He was better than an officer at certain times of combat. He was in charge of the unit. A gunny was a real deal combat killing machine.

Seals are smarter in the way that you have to have a college degree. If you graduate from the academy you would have a better chance making it to a team.of
February 8th, 2004  
Marine4Life
 
 
In reference to the comment about a SEAL vs. a Marine in a fight. I disagree, not just because I'm a Marine but if you take into account pound for pound, I think it's a 50/50 chance for either of them to beat the other. SEALs are trained with specific weapons and specific tasks and doping them while undetected. They are trained to get in and out and if encountered escape with their lives and to take lives if necessary. They will not go in as an aggressor in most cases. Back to my original response, pound for pound it's a wash and either could walk away the victor because fights are never scripted and even the best fighter in the world can be beat by the underdog, with niether the Marines or SEALs designated as the underdog. Again it's case by case, I would bet on that fight like I would a football bet. I'm a Marine and I would never want to fight a SEAL, not because I'm afraid but because we're on the same team. I'm not implying that's what the Ranger wanted, was Marines and SEALs fighting, because I've worked with a Ranger, Maj Rollings and that was one of the most motivated hard woking Army dogs I have ever met. He was definately Marine, SEAL, Ranger material. That's just a response to that, one more point to stress on the whole topic of SF vs. Marine Corps.

Just the fact that this discussion takes place should be enough for the Marine Corps to be considered a SF element. Not to mention the fact that when the Marines are considered it is usually in terms of, "should we send them in to initiate contact with the enemy and push inland 300 miles parallel to the Army to secure key cities and key LOC's," or should we, "send them in to extract personnel from an embassy about to be over run," or "should we have them floating near the next contingency because we can and the Marines will be able to secure key items for follow on forces." Now those are things that Marines on a whole do, on basic training (costs tax payers less), now SEALs go through specific training to do the same things (costs tax payers a hell of a lot more), but of course SEALs do a lot more clandestine operations that requires less of a presence, which is why we have them. They are very needed and I wouldn't trade the SEALs for as many more Marines. The Marines are effective because the SEALs take care of their business. I think I've said enough for you all to respond. Thanks for the ear and hopefully your responses.

Semper Fi
February 8th, 2004  
Marine4Life
 
 
You don't have to have a Degree to be a SEAL!
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February 9th, 2004  
diplomatic_means
 
Ok so SEALs are maritime versions of the Green Berets. What on earth is Delta Force for and would they be considered to be more elite than SEALs and the Green Berets?
February 9th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Delta is the elite of the Green Berets, Delta guys usually only do one tour as such and then return to the ranks of the Green Berets. I think that this makes them more elite than the SEALS and Green Berets, but again this opens up the question of what it means to be elite and the problem of comparing diverse groups again, so I'm just going to leave it as my opinion.
February 9th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
Delta has different specilizations then SEALs, as do the USMC then SEALs. Delta is our elite counter-terrorism unit that specilizes in "snatch and grab" ops. And Reckneck, Delta members are not just "elite green berets". In fact most Delta members are recruited from either the 75th Ranger RGT or the 101st or 82nd Airbornes.
February 9th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Wrong answer. Not sure where you're getting your info there GuyontheRight, but somebody snookered you.
February 9th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
Well that would have to be Eric Hanly, who helped found Delta Force and wrote a book about it
February 9th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Like I said before, I have it straight from the mouths of an 18A and an 18F who gave us an SF briefing a couple months ago, and they said that Delta is drawn from the Green Berets as a whole but is still Army SF, therefore Green Berets. And the Green Berets draw from all branches and backgrounds, the Captain said that one of the other 18As he knew was an interior design major in college and started out in the Signal Corps.
February 9th, 2004  
Chaotic
 
omg
i just got lost..

too many moving parts

we were talking about seals vs marines and now we are talking the ranger thing...

for me just point to where i am supposed to shoot.

whats an 18A and 18F
MOS equivalent to the MC?