Seals vs. Marines - Page 2




 
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January 19th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Sorry, but that is an incorrect comparison, they're maritime infantry, the Navy's version of the Army's infantry .
January 19th, 2004  
diplomatic_means
 
Ok then, what exactly does the Delta Force do or is that confidential? I just kind of noticed its rare to never that you hear them mentioned as involved in anything. Oh and if someone goes into military just so they can get the GI bill with no intention of a military career then why do we have the Army? Its clear in my mind the the Marines are a better fighting force than the Army. I bet that a Marine division would whoop an Army division. Why would Patton spend so much time kicking his officers and troops butts if he could have commanded a bunch of Marines and tried to out do Chesty Puller as the bigger legend? Anyone getting what I'm saying?
January 19th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
Sorry, but that is an incorrect comparison, they're maritime infantry, the Navy's version of the Army's infantry

Of course, but the comparison is only that each style of units operates more specialized then the norm. They have no equivalents, Im just saying that in my view they are elite because they do things regular Army units cannot do, as does the Airborne.
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January 19th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: Ok.


easy.
The Marines are a good Core. I think they might be better rifelman then most GIs. The US Army has good Infantry(not to mention Airborn and Raingers which are exellent). Delta force is the best special forces team in the world. they are ment for a veraiety of SF missions. SEALS are not infantry. they are special forces. Each of these have their place on the field.this ARMYvsNAVYvsMARINES bikering and nud throwing thing is silly. YOUR ALL ON THE SAME SIDE!!!EACH BRANCH SHOIULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE SUCH FINE BRANCHES AROUND IT.THEY ARE ALL GOOD FIGHTERS<GOOD AMERICANS AND GOOD MAN!
January 19th, 2004  
FutureRANGER
 
 
The government does not even officially acknowledge the existence of Delta Force, which is why you never hear anything about them. Remember Black Hawk Down? Task Force Ranger was part Delta Force. Thats the kind of stuff they do.

I do not agree that marines are better than Army infantry. Furthermore, I wouldn't consider Marine's "elite". Marines are infantry which help make up the backbone of the fighting force. If Marines are considered elite the term is much much too broad. That is not to say Marines aren't good soldiers.
January 19th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: I never said


i did not say they are Elit. they have strong point over army infantry and im sure the army infantry has strong points over them...all this dosent matter...because the best fighting structure in the world is an Israeli Armored Division.Just kidding, dont comment caus its clearly
January 19th, 2004  
Jarhead0321
 
Chuckle Lots of Different Thoughts on this one allow me to answer the best that I can.

First the Difference between the Seal and the Marines most of your are right in saying that the Seals are the Navy's SF but then you also have to remember that General Gray CMC answered the army like this when asked if Marine Recon would be Part of SOCOM "The Marine Corps as a whole is a special Force" now believe it or not it some ways its is true the Marines do specialize thier training to fit missions that the army would have a hard time doing with its conventional forces here is a list of Missions that a baic SOC qualled MEU has been tested and evaluated on


Marine Expeditionary Units are capable of executing missions with 6 hours of notice. The versatility and rapid response of a MEU make it the choice of the Unified Commanders for contingency operations arising within their Areas Of Responsibility (AOR). Each MEU earns qualification as Special Operations Capable (SOC) prior to its 6-month sea deployment. Each MEU trains for the "3-block war," that is contingencies arising across the conflict spectrum. From humanitarian assistance to full-scale warfare, MEUs are trained and prepared for the missions that may arise in the world's "hot spots." Listed below are the missions of a MEU and the spectrum of conflict in which a MEU is trained and has proven capable to operate

Operations Other Than War
Peace Operations
Peacekeeping
Peace Enforcement
Joint/Combined/Instruction Team
Humanitarian Assistance/Disaster Relief
Security Operations
Noncombatant Evacuation Operations
Reinforcement Operations
Amphibious Operations
Amphibious Demonstration
Amphibious Raid
Amphibious Assault
Amphibious Withdrawal
Supporting Operations
Tactical Deception Operations
Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance (ISR)
Military Operations in Urban Terrain
Reconnaissance and Surveillance
Fire Support Planning, Coordination, Control in a Joint/Combined Environment
Counter Intelligence
Airfield/Port Seizure
Show of Force Operations
Expeditionary Airfield Operations
Terminal Guidance Operations
Joint Task Force Enabling Operations
Sniping Operations
Direct Action
In-Extremis Hostage Recovery
Seizure/Recovery of Offshore Energy Facilities
Specialized Demolition Operations
Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel
Seizure/Recovery of Selected Personnel or Material
Counter Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
Visit, Board, Search and Seizure of Vessels
Provide Command, Control, Communications, and Computers (C4)
Limited Expeditionary Airfield Operations
Enhanced Urban Operations
Enabling Operations
Employ Non-lethal Weapons
Information Operations
Anti-Terrorism
Rapid Response Planning Process (R2P2)

The training difference is easy the Seals are trained in guerilla and small unit tactics. Maries are taught squad and fire team tactics more often or not the term "movement to contact" comes into play here Seals like to be quiet and unseen if they can be. The Marines Have Recon to do basically a similiar job as the Seals Training is differ because its the Navy's way to train seals and the Marine way for Marines.

Now here is the easiest way to compare the 2 The Marine Corps as a whole can be considered your modern day Invasion force we secure a beachhead for the follow on forces (IE the Army) but in recent years our ability as a war fighting unit to rapidly deploy anywhere in the world on such a large scale has made us the first responders for problems arising world wide. I am not knocking the Army but they are big heavy and slow when it comes to getting someplace once they are the ground and moving they are wonderfull assest for a Ground commander.

Now the Army is seen largely as an Occupying force which is why they are now in Iraq for example playing UN police.

Another Huge difference is the fact that the Marine Corps Carries all its on Basic warfare elements with it we are the total package so to say
Ground
Air
Support
Arty

all of it is rolled up nice and neat in a package that is used to working together.

The SF thing the Marines have finally stepped into the Realm of SOCOM with Mar Det 1 though there is still a lot to be figured out for one Marines do not like to be commanded by anyone other then Marines and for two the giving up of trained men and equipment for them to be used as they see fit by another branch is not something that sits well in the day and age of budget and manning cuts.

I hope I have cleared some of this up

They whole elite thing I think comes from the fact that Seals are part of SOCOM and the Marines are Well Marines thats they only title we will ever need!!!

SemperFi
February 2nd, 2004  
Lt_Strony
 
 
i dont know that much of the military and all since im only 14 but all ive seen about the SEALS n all seems to be that they are more elite force. There training is hell of a hard, and you have to LOVE the water
February 2nd, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
Great post Jarhead!

I agree that the Marine Corps as a whole is a special force, because of all the things you have listed in your post..

But they are not Special Forces... (If you know what I mean.)
Some elements of the Marine Corps can be called Special Forces, but I think it would be wrong to call the whole Corps Special Forces.
(in the way most of us sees the words "Special Forces"..)

And I see that you have not listed Winter Warfare on your list..
I have been on several exercises in Norway with Marines, and most of them (you) are real "special" when it comes to skiing and cold weather..
(no offense ment...)
February 4th, 2004  
solomonwanca
 

Topic: seals vs marine


US Navy Seals are trained better in tactic ways.
Marines are trainedin more pysical