Vladimir Putin checkmates the West

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I do a rather good job of remaining neutral whilst defending my corner... i Mod on a couple of forums and i had a big fall-out with a few people, but still treated them fairly and didn't abuse my power, as many others of my age would have done.
 
Actually, I agree for the most part with that... Unfortunately, it can never happen if humanity keeps on the track it's on right now.
 
The method i propose is to have communist communes of <100 people, who all go out to work in a capitalist society, and they then come back to the commune to split the money between all of them. There is no leader, as they would want more money, it is self-regulating. So, you could be a follower (commune) or a leader (capitalism). Either way, your quality of life is good.

Hospitals would be paid for by taking 5% of everyone's earnings in a tax. In a commune, it's 5% of the communal pot. For the capitalists, it's 5% of their own wages. This is then directly inputted into an NHS style health service, which is free for all citizens, but levies charges against non-citizens before they get treated. This will stop people coming over purely for healthcare and then leaving. There will be certain people who are exempt, but very few.

the police force would be minimal, existing only to solve crimes in the Capitalist areas, as the communes are self-regulating but effectively non-criminal within their own areas. However, if a communist is caught breaking the law in a capitalist area, they will be prosecuted, and the same works in reverse. If you do not work, you will be asked to leave the country as jobs will be generated for those who do not have them, and we will replace the weak with the strong. The military will be made up of recruited individuals, and funded by another 5% tax (see the above taxing method). This will leave us with a powerful military base, and all communes will be required to offer up at least 5 individuals if a war starts, to provide the extra manpower required.

In the communes, no-one will be forced to wear anything. The money you own is to be spent on what you see fit. This is yours, and yours alone. However, it is handed out of a central pot that comes from everyone's wages. So, your earnings are directed into a central account accessible only by an automated program that doles out the correct division of money per person per commune.



If you want anything clarifying, just ask. Now, my comrade, DEBATE!
 
That's actually not a bad theory... My only problem being what happens when beliefs are thrown into the mix? What do you do with religion? Ethics?
 
Why do you keep over simplifing this to WE GOOD and THEY BAD, Putin is doing what he thinks is in his nations best interests he sees this the other way around. We have to get past this, they are being boxed in and don't like it.

Bush and those Europeans better dust off the chess board or we will be out manuvered at every turn. Have you ever played chess with a person who is truly a superior player? Let me tell you it is not a good feeling. Things you did not see come at you from all directions.
 
The Other Guy said:
But when the ones who aren't primitive don't like you, it's not cool. America's a powerful nation, but not powerful enough to go it alone.

I'm proud to be an American. I'm disgusted at the chest thumping "we're better than you and we're going to tell you about it" attitude, though. Theodore Roosevelt said "Speak softly but carry a big stick." Right now we're awfully loud and we're brandishing a twig.
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Nice post TOG - but someone has to do the job. Who would you prefer? It is no popularity contest, it is a question of survival.

And while we are on the subject, a lot a very bad words have been used against the US here. I am surprised at the calm manner in which they have been received. It seems one must not slag off any country but US. And none of us can have it both ways - we can't be believed to luv' 'em and hate 'em at the same time.

Anybody on here caere to tell of their own plans for trying to keep the world in some sort of progress ?

Easy to stand back and criticize, ain't it; that ain't a question.
 
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The problem being that none of us as individuals have the "pull" to make the changes that are needed, but it does not stop us from seeing what goes on and telling people who seem to think that we are just "the duck's guts". The only way we can hope to achieve anything is to enlighten people to what is going on and how it is perceived by the world at large. It's all too easy to just ignore the problems and just tell ourselves. "It's OK, our opponents are worse".

I know the coalition forces are in a very unenviable position, but they must not be seen to stoop to the level of those whom we are opposing. All that achieves is to give valuable propaganda to the enemy and with the war being as unpopular as it is, we don't need it.
 
Del Boy said:
And while we are on the subject, a lot a very bad words have been used against the US here. I am surprised at the calm manner in which they have been received. It seems one must not slag off any country but US. And none of us can have it both ways - we can't be believed to luv' 'em and hate 'em at the same time.
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That isn't accurate at all, find a nice word on these forums about Russia, China, Iran, France, North Korea, Europe as a whole hell half of 5.56's posts are focused on the failings of Britain. Surely if one country is fair game then all are.
 
major liability said:
Still not the same. The Russians were a lot worse than the Nazis when they occupied the Baltic States. Heard more than enough stories from my own ancestors to know that America messing with South American politics and getting people killed still cannot compare with keeping so many countries under an iron fist for the length of the Cold War. I'm offended you'd compare the two, really.
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The US arranged the assassination of the first democratically elected leader of Chile because he didn't support the US. Sounds a lot like the Prague Spring to me. Just because we do it quieter doesn't mean we're nicer...
Rob Henderson said:
Who's Justin?
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Not a mod, if that's what you mean... if he's telling you to do things, by all means go straight to Redleg.
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Now, your response... Yes, we have problems, but every country will have problems for ever and ever amen. But, the way I see it, (And I SWEAR I'm not trying to sound arrogant.)the United States' problems are minor compared to those of Iraq, or Vietnam, or Korea. Are they not?
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The same thing I said earlier. The lazy :cens: theory of "it's bad, but not as bad as them so we'll do nothing." Why be content with a crummy system if we could make it better? Why should we even compare ourselves with them? Next to a country like North Korea, even a tiny hut on the side of a mountain with a 10 mile walk to the nearest water seems pretty nice.

Improve the system before they do. We can't just sit on our lead. In a football game, when a player is outrunning another one, does he slow up and let the defender catch up? Heck no. Why should we slow down just because we're ahead?

Imporve the system.
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Not to that extent. Cmon, you know what I meant... I trust my parents when they say that smoking kills you, because I myself have seen that very statement in action. I trust my parents when they tell me to be safe with my drinking, because I've seen THAT go awry. America doesn't force Iraqis to wear certain clothes, or do certain jobs, or that kind of thing... We're trying to do the opposite... Show them that they can choose their OWN clothes, their OWN jobs.
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We are, and they're choosing to try to blow us up...
Del Boy said:
And while we are on the subject, a lot a very bad words have been used against the US here. I am surprised at the calm manner in which they have been received. It seems one must not slag off any country but US. And none of us can have it both ways - we can't be believed to luv' 'em and hate 'em at the same time.
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Yes, a lot of bad words have been used against the US, but a lot of those words are true. And yes, you can have it both ways; you don't have to love everything about a country or hate everything. For example, the 2nd Amendment and the Healthcare system in America. Love one, hate the other.

MontyB said:
That isn't accurate at all, find a nice word on these forums about Russia, China, Iran, France, North Korea, Europe as a whole hell half of 5.56's posts are focused on the failings of Britain. Surely if one country is fair game then all are.
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Excellent point.
 
OK guys. I've been away, just livening things up a little, because tomorrow I am off again for a week.

Just wanted to remind everyone that there is another opinion on these matters and that one of these takes the view that the agendas of all those who slag off USA needs careful perusal. Warts and all, I still believe in its ideals, which I expect USA to strive to uphold. I spoke of the use of language, not making points for and against certain aspects. And with the possible exception of France, that is a nice little list Monty puts up; I was not speaking of the lack of nice words, but of the use of abusive language towards an ally which usually tries to punch its weight on our behalf.
By and large, they aim to do the right thing; by and large, their political aspirations stand tall.

I do feel that when claims against them are made, such claims should be substantiated; they should not be opinion presented categorically as fact.

It is not enough for the question 'why is USA detested around the world ?' to be taken as read; in my opinion that is a very wild and woolly argument.

Here's a fact - I for one around the world, do not detest America; in my opinion, there are probably more like me!

Just a reminder, while I am away.:salute2:
 
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Thank you Del Boy, your a great ally.

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Aiki, Allies are not necessarily "great" just because they tell you what you'd like to hear.

We would perhaps get ahead faster and be a lot more secure if we were to listen to those who told the unvarnished truth. Then did something about it.

I like it too when people tell me what a great bloke I am, fortunately I'm mature enough and cynical enough to suspect that they perhaps have an ulterior motive.

Mind you, I can't see why, as I am really a fantastic bloke.... Good lookin' too.

I thought that I may as well slip that last one in while we're telling a few "porkies"
 
AikiRooster said:
Thank you Del Boy, your a great ally.

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My pleasure Aiki, it's what allies are for. My only agenda is my own honest opinion ; I have no wish to massage egos, whatsoever.

And I am still waiting to meet some of those great purveyors of 'the unvarnished truth'; could I ever be persuaded by any who laid claim to that?

At least we can all remain friends tho'.:cheers:
 
Del Boy said:
My pleasure Aiki, it's what allies are for. My only agenda is my own honest opinion ; I have no wish to massage egos, whatsoever.

And I am still waiting to meet some of those great purveyors of 'the unvarnished truth'; could I ever be persuaded by any who laid claim to that?
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Better than hearing the news second hand from them, it may be better to read the News of the World.

"Allies may tell you what you wish to hear, but a real friend tells you what you need to know".

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Del Boy said:
And I am still waiting to meet some of those great purveyors of 'the unvarnished truth'; could I ever be persuaded by any who laid claim to that?

At least we can all remain friends tho'.:cheers:
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I try to tell things as I feel, and I usually do. If I think something is stupid, you'll know about it.

Yes, friends are nice. Especially drinking friends. :drunkb:

senojekips said:
"Allies may tell you what you wish to hear, but a real friend tells you what you need to know".

Spike Jones. 1947 - 2---
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I'm going to write that on a big wall.
 
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