Some fool mentioned something about expanded service medals or some s--t like that just pointing out that might not be the case . My whole time in service stateside Korea and Vietnam I never heard the term hero mentioned , not once , today anyone in uniform is a hero and that may be the case I don't know .
Quite Obvious ?
brinktk
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So you are at bitter at the treatment you recieved so now you shit on those of us today because America learned its' lesson from your war. Did the WWII and Korea vets ever talk down to you after you got home? That is the reason my dad didn't go to the VA until 2005, was because those older vets looked down on the Vietnam ones...guess what you're doing?
Yeah, you served, good on you and much respect for that. Yeah, you served during Tet, again respect. But don't think for a second it ended with your generation. We have fought our asses off for 2,3,4, or more tours. We even have guys who have had their legs blown off and fought their way back into the fight. You want to be called hero, fine, you're a hero, the greatest hero and us young pups just don't have a clue without your heroes guidance...
Yeah, you served, good on you and much respect for that. Yeah, you served during Tet, again respect. But don't think for a second it ended with your generation. We have fought our asses off for 2,3,4, or more tours. We even have guys who have had their legs blown off and fought their way back into the fight. You want to be called hero, fine, you're a hero, the greatest hero and us young pups just don't have a clue without your heroes guidance...
everyone has asked me why did we keep taking the same hill or town , rice paddy over an over , m y reply is the terrain was not the objective the occupiers were , kill off a few then move on come back kill off some more , people were always the objective , I cannot pretend to understand the Afghan conflict and the ROE , build bigger vehicles to protect against IED , they build bigger IED .
Every war has a objective some times the objective is not clear to civilians like me what was the objective in Iraq and even more so what is the objective in Afghan and could these objectives been accomplished in a much shorter time frame , now we're back flipping the same rabble and rubble , my way of thinking Korea was the last war the U.S. won .
crazytanker
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See...there's that rambling again. No, I did not toot my own horn as you put it. I was making a point. You want to talk down to veterans, yet you barely made Corporal or Specialist. I hate to tell ya, but it doesn't take much to earn that. I have recruits make it out of basic training as an E4. See my thing is that you ramble - and insult people without cause. I mentioned my medals, because you mentioned your service. You talk down to people who serve, but those are the people who have done more - earned more than you. Yet...here you are. What do you gain out of this?
Oh and by the way, since you want to be so technical, World War Two was the last war the US won. Why? Because that was the last time Congress declared war - meaning that the US was technically not at war during Korea, Vietnam, The Gulf, or Iraq.
Too bad you're retired. I'd give you a direct order to get lost, Corporal. (And that's coming from an E7.)
Oh and by the way, since you want to be so technical, World War Two was the last war the US won. Why? Because that was the last time Congress declared war - meaning that the US was technically not at war during Korea, Vietnam, The Gulf, or Iraq.
Too bad you're retired. I'd give you a direct order to get lost, Corporal. (And that's coming from an E7.)
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The VA now has great programs for veterans. No lack of treatment. Free Consoling, help with jobs, medical, the list goes on. It wasn't always this way believe me. I may be off base but someone says he received bad treatment. If he needs treatment now including psychological treatment for war related issues or bad treatment upon return to civilian life it's available.
brinktk
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The more I look at this the more I grow curious on how an E-4 was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross. I talked to my dad, who did two tours in nam as a helicopter door gunner and asked how common DFCs were for lower enlisted and he said it was damn near impossible. They are almost 100% of the time reserved for pilots. Now I'm not saying it didn't happen, but in over 20 years of study of that war I've never seen it and my dad said that in the Corps it just wouldn't happen. Perhaps I'm missing something.
Generally, it's also my experience that someone who throws out their medals at the first opportunity is usually full of shit. As if medals mean anything anyways, those of us who have been in the fight on the ground know how inflated some areas are, and how hugely brave actions get overlooked all the time(especially if they're lower enlisted)
brinktk
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He wasn't even a corporal, he was what they called a spec 4 and what we call a sham shield...
Nothing I better than being criticized be cause that leaves the door open for me to return the favor , the medals I mention are mine , it is quite true that the DFC is considered a officers medal but its awarded case by case , I invite my distracters to Google up the battle of the hour glass 1/5/68 and the 116 role , my rank E-4 spec wasn't much but I did well to hang on to it ,
brinktk
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It's not the medal itself, it's how quickly the DD214 was put out there...that just doesn't happen in my experience. I hate talking about medals because 1. Most of them are simply for showing up 2. The commendations are pretty consistent across the board with everyone else and 3 the ones with Vs on them just remind me of some of the worst times in my life. Nobody could ever understand what they cost to me except those who were with me...other vets might relate, but never with "yeah, I got a BSM/V too". It is more along the lines of "I hear you brother, or talking about their war, or their friends, or their funny incidents, and their tragedies....but never medals. Because the grunts in the know, realize it's all b******t. Someone on our side likely died on that day, and they give you a medal like it'll bring them back...when all it does is remind you of what it means...
I just found it odd...my gut is usually pretty spot on in these matters...
I just found it odd...my gut is usually pretty spot on in these matters...
Why are there SO many PTSD cases coming out of Afghan its starting to become a bad joke , I'm not criticizing this just curious , 2200-2300 hundred Americans killed in 11 years that wouldn't have made a good month in Vietnam . My rank of E-4 was not much but I did well to hang on to it I was not an ass kisser , brown nose , ect , Google up the battle of the hour glass 1/5/68 the of role of the 116th I was there that night . I would like to point out that I did not mention medals at first another wondered did an E-7 maybe I don't know .
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brinktk
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So you are saying veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan don't have a PTSD claim because of their KIA numbers? Let me fill you in on something...during Vietnam, for every 1 guy killed there was 3 wounded. Today, the minimum ratio is 1-11 and as high as 1-16. So what if they're not killing us a thousand a month? You also had a TON of more soldiers in the field then we do. We never had more than 170,000 in Iraq or more than 80,000 in Afghanistan at a time. You had 540,000 in country at the height of yours. We are better trained, better equipped, better armored, and have much better medical care....other wise the ratio would be about the same.
Here's the difference, you only had to do ONE tour....12 months....that's it....during the height of our wars it was typical for a soldier over a 4 year enlistment to spend 30 months of that time down range. You've got no clue as to what our wars were like...which is obvious...and you certainly have a sense of superiority about it all, which is readily apparent.
Bottom line, you were a POG. You flew, shot for a few minutes, prepped LZs with fire, SUPPORTED the grunts, maybe even had a few hot LZs....then you went back to the flight line, cleaned your weapons, ate your meals out of a dining hall, drank at the E club, and slept on a cot. A grunt would never talk like you do, you never slogged through months of heat, cold, rain, sandstorms, dealing with dysentary, living among all the dead, putting broken cigarettes in your nostrils to kill the smell, walking in filth with torn pants showing your pecker to the world because these are the only ones you've got til the next re-supply. You aren't fooling me...while I look up your battle, you look up a FEW of mine...thunder runs into Baghdad with the subsequent 3 DAY battle. 2nd battle of Fallujah with 2 WEEKS of house to house/ room to room fighting. Or just read about Ramadi in general before 2007. I was a grunt. I didn't kill from 200-1000 meters away from a nice safe helo, and I didn't act like my shit didn't stink because of it. I killed from much, MUCH closer, face to face closer, and I didn't need a chip on my shoulder afterwards because of it. Screw you and your PTSD comment.
If you're gonna make assumptions, we are gonna make assumptions, and I've studied your war FAR more than you've studied mine.
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Again use a lot of words to say nothing , I was asking a question , the VA says most of the PTSD claims are bogus as much as 75-80 % that's the VA figures not mine which keep those that need the care from getting it , also these people have to be reviewed , most are sent to anger management .
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brinktk
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Read the book Stolen Valor before you talk to me about phony VA claims of PTSD. Seems your generation pioneered how to defraud the VA for that golden 100% disability rating long before Iraq or Afghanistan. With all sorts of tall tales of BS heroics and massacres...reminds me of someone here...
How could you get nothing out of what I said? Are you that dense? Or are you just bitter? Show me these VA numbers you're coming up with too...Or do you just make shit up. You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you!
What point were you trying to make about the KIAs from A-stan then? "No big deal" or "not that bad" or, my favorite "I was in a real war". Is that your point?
Did Oliver Stone interview you for information about his last battle scene in Platoon?...because that is supposed to be the battle you're claiming....except you were in the air (if what you say is true), which is decidedly different than being on the ground....it's as if all your words are punchlines from every nam movie ever made. Did you say "I love the smell of napalm in the morning too". Oh sorry, different movie. What a crock.
Oliie Stone wasn't at the hour glass that I know of but it was a great movie , I'm beginning to think you're missing a brick , two maybe , too many issues , too much verbiage , the generation gap too big . I would prefer you take your show on the road and stop replying to my posts .
brinktk
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I don't have issues with people unless they're idiots. You've got a chip on your shoulder and make ludicrous statements then wonder why people have a problem with them.
The generation gap isn't too big. I've talked to numerous vets from your generation and never had a problem with them. We have found a lot of common ground between us. Seems you aren't really interested in that. You just want someone to agree with you and your idiotic statements. Then, you claim "too much verbiage". WTF does that mean? Can you not read? Or are you too lazy or unwilling to see anyone else's point? Maybe if you put your fingers in your ears and jam your eyes shut and the scream " la la la" it might work out for you. If you post dumb shit on here, I'm gonna reply. I'm not into groupthink. I'm not gonna shake my head in agreement when someone makes a claim that begs refutation. If you don't want me to respond to your posts, then stop posting stupid drivel.
The generation gap isn't too big. I've talked to numerous vets from your generation and never had a problem with them. We have found a lot of common ground between us. Seems you aren't really interested in that. You just want someone to agree with you and your idiotic statements. Then, you claim "too much verbiage". WTF does that mean? Can you not read? Or are you too lazy or unwilling to see anyone else's point? Maybe if you put your fingers in your ears and jam your eyes shut and the scream " la la la" it might work out for you. If you post dumb shit on here, I'm gonna reply. I'm not into groupthink. I'm not gonna shake my head in agreement when someone makes a claim that begs refutation. If you don't want me to respond to your posts, then stop posting stupid drivel.
The VA provides free treatment for patents including (PTSD and other mental concerns). If after in treatment it is determined your disability prevents you from working they can submit you for a disability claim. The 3/4 refusal statement is simply not accurate, I don’t know how it was derived. If they are convinced of your claim, the staff will champion you case through the claim process. The only fly in the ointment is the process is a bit slow.
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