Potential Leftist Dictator Overthrown

If it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck..........

So now OAS's is sending their "top international diplomat" to deliver an ultimatum to the Honduran National Congress . The Ultimatum will most likely be restore Zelaya or face severe economic sanctions. This has the backing of Chavez and cronies in the expansionist socialist movement and also POTUS, and the UN.

I've tried to give the ones preaching and critizing Honduras a break in that maybe this wasn't a knee jerk uninformed reaction that they would eventually research and perform analysis on. Guess not.

IMHO the world including POTUS is hanging out Honduras on the word of a criminal ex-president/socialist and his buddies, and are trodding on democracy. So to those world leaders that support this.

You are a bunch of Socialist :cens:'s and have no right to let the words liberty, democracy or independence escape your foul mouths. Now go buy a new copy of Mao's little red book because you apparently hold the same principals.
 
Whatever Junior. I seem to recall your young azz whining every time GWB did something. Matter of fact you still blame him for bout everything. So why don't you research it a bit before you take Obama's word on this crap. Oh I forgot he's the freakin savior right?
 
Rob, this time, it IS a bunch of socialists/communists ganging up on Honduras because their buddy Zelaya couldn't pull off what they've been pulling off country to country.
I've been pretty supportive of Obama so far but this is definitely a mistake.
 
03USMC said:
Whatever Junior. I seem to recall your young azz whining every time GWB did something. Matter of fact you still blame him for bout everything. So why don't you research it a bit before you take Obama's word on this crap. Oh I forgot he's the freakin savior right?
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Find me a post where I whined about something GWB did. I bit my tongue for the better part of 8 years. I didn't undermine the President's authority because he was the president... He knew things I didn't... But it's whatever... You aren't gonna change your views on Obama no matter what the man does... America could make the most progress it's ever made and you would STILL dislike every decision he made. Because you had your mind made up about Democrats LONG before Obama's name was in the mix. It happens though. It's not your fault.
 
Well, that's not my case but I still think Obama is making a huge mistake and I think this is where his more leftist roots hold influence over his judgement. He's more likely to give the left an ear than the right.
In other decisions he's made it looks like he's been able to keep that out of his decision making but in this case... it's a little too much.
 
Rob Henderson said:
Find me a post where I whined about something GWB did. I bit my tongue for the better part of 8 years. I didn't undermine the President's authority because he was the president... He knew things I didn't... But it's whatever... You aren't gonna change your views on Obama no matter what the man does... America could make the most progress it's ever made and you would STILL dislike every decision he made. Because you had your mind made up about Democrats LONG before Obama's name was in the mix. It happens though. It's not your fault.
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How about this from the Topic: Yup... we fought Iraq for oil Post #12.

"that and personal vendetta... It was obviously enough for GWB... That, and we were blinded by 9/11. (Not saying it was justified in any way, simply saying it fueled rash decision-making.)" quote Rob Henderson

Little friendly advise Rob.
Even though you are a college Music Major you don't have to follow your peers with illegal substances. Dare to say no. Otherwise you could end up in a Alzheimer's ward at a very young age.
 
If the people said they disagreed with the leader and didn't like him, and then the dictator did something illegal by trying to persuade them somehow to have them vote for him, how is it wrong for the military to stage a coup? They're voters too, and if the people don't like it, then they are the arm of the people. I understand that if they installed one of their own, then that is illegal too, and wrong. But in the end, if they merely took him out of power because the people disagreed, then I don't see how it's wrong.

It may have been John Locke who said it, not 100% sure, but if the government is doing something wrong, and the people disagree and are being unjustly ruled, they can remove the dictator in revolt. That revolt could be staged by the local militia or a the peoples army, all the militias coming together. Now if that were so, and the military did it without installing their own, then how is it wrong?

This is just my thought, but I'm not 100% of the situation.
 
Chukpike said:
How about this from the Topic: Yup... we fought Iraq for oil Post #12.

"that and personal vendetta... It was obviously enough for GWB... That, and we were blinded by 9/11. (Not saying it was justified in any way, simply saying it fueled rash decision-making.)" quote Rob Henderson

Little friendly advise Rob.
Even though you are a college Music Major you don't have to follow your peers with illegal substances. Dare to say no. Otherwise you could end up in a Alzheimer's ward at a very young age.
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I mean DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION. He said
03USMC said:
I seem to recall your young azz whining every time GWB did something.
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As in, I whined every time GWB made a decision during his presidency... I kept my mouth shut. I waited until his presidency was over, because I felt it was fair to give him the full term(s) before I made my opinion official... How stupid would I look if I criticized him and then he turned out to do something right?

Again, Chukpike... Learn to read. And leave my personal life out of it... I really do get tired of your COUNTLESS attempts to insult me just because I'm decently talented at something and you're not.....
 
Rob Henderson said:
Find me a post where I whined about something GWB did. I bit my tongue for the better part of 8 years. I didn't undermine the President's authority because he was the president... He knew things I didn't... But it's whatever... You aren't gonna change your views on Obama no matter what the man does... America could make the most progress it's ever made and you would STILL dislike every decision he made. Because you had your mind made up about Democrats LONG before Obama's name was in the mix. It happens though. It's not your fault.
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Found one.
Chukpike said:
How about this from the Topic: Yup... we fought Iraq for oil Post #12.

"that and personal vendetta... It was obviously enough for GWB... That, and we were blinded by 9/11. (Not saying it was justified in any way, simply saying it fueled rash decision-making.)" quote Rob Henderson

Little friendly advise Rob.
Even though you are a college Music Major you don't have to follow your peers with illegal substances. Dare to say no. Otherwise you could end up in a Alzheimer's ward at a very young age.
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I don't see any mention of your talent.
Rob Henderson said:
I mean DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION. He said
As in, I whined every time GWB made a decision during his presidency... I kept my mouth shut. I waited until his presidency was over, because I felt it was fair to give him the full term(s) before I made my opinion official... How stupid would I look if I criticized him and then he turned out to do something right?

Again, Chukpike... Learn to read. And leave my personal life out of it... I really do get tired of your COUNTLESS attempts to insult me just because I'm decently talented at something and you're not.....
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I said nothing about your personal life or your talent.

Just pointed out your convenient memory lapses.

Your response is nothing more than an attempt to deflect attention away from those memory lapses. You have an undeniable tendency to interpret into other's posts whatever suits you.

And for those of us that have followed these forums prior to the past Presidential election know, it would be no great feat to find examples of your whining about GWB, while he was in office.

Even some of us older members do not seem to have your memory problem.
 
Chukpike said:
Found one.
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No, you didn't find one... That post was AFTER GWB left office... I already clarified for you and you alone that I meant a post DURING his presidency. But nice try... I may have memory lapses, but I can read.


Chukpike said:
I said nothing about your personal life or your talent.
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Actually, you did. When you mentioned my major... That's my personal life. And insinuating that I do drugs is ALSO my personal life... Something you know jack **** about.
Chukpike said:
Your response is nothing more than an attempt to deflect attention away from those memory lapses. You have an undeniable tendency to interpret into other's posts whatever suits you.
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And your response is completely and utterly off the topic ANYWAY. I was posting on the topic until you showed up... Seems to happen a lot.... Even in bloody soccer.
Chukpike said:
And for those of us that have followed these forums prior to the past Presidential election know, it would be no great feat to find examples of your whining about GWB, while he was in office.
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Clearly it is, seeing as he has not responded with an example...
Chukpike said:
Even some of us older members do not seem to have your memory problem.
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I have no doubt that you have many more severe problems than I do... Seeing as you cannot even comprehend a post when it is spelled out for you.... Multiple times....
 
Zelaya has now claimed "Genocide" in Honduras.
I guess after the whole BS about Coup d'Etat worked out well, he might as well go all the way and get even more attention from BSing about genocide!
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Zelaya has now claimed "Genocide" in Honduras.
I guess after the whole BS about Coup d'Etat worked out well, he might as well go all the way and get even more attention from BSing about genocide!
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Yeah and it's being bought wholesale by everybody. lest the socialists and the left become offended. This a major black mark as far as I'm concerned.
 
Warning to Henderson & Chuckpike:

This is not the place air your dirty laundry, refrain from the back and forth bashing of each other, which by the way has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread, or you both will receive infractions.
 
This is all I could find on President Zelaya claiming genocide.

Mr Zelaya also warned the new administration of interim leader Roberto Micheletti that the international community had turned against them.
"Your actions will not go unnoticed because the international courts will have to try you for the genocide that you are carrying out in our country, in suppressing rights and repressing our people," he said.
The Honduran interim government says it acted within the law and has the backing of the majority of the population."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8134699.stm

Seems even more confusing as supporters and those that oppose him are mounting demonstrations. The military does not seem to be interfering or being used to stop them. Using no more force than would be used in most countries to control the crowds and keep them seperated.
 
Simple fact is that the world bought Zelayas story wholesale because it was backed by his socialist buddies and they raised the clamour. There was no fact finding done , so now every word that comes outta his mouth is gospel.
 
Looks like the sides have agreed to mediation.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d943a362-...d9-11dd-8838-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

"Hillary Clinton yesterday announced that all sides in the dispute over Honduras' recent coup had agreed to mediation, a development Washington hopes will help reduce tensions between Manuel Zelaya, the ousted president, and the country's new de facto government.
Speaking after a meeting with Mr Zelaya, the US secretary of state said that Oscar Arias, the president of Costa Rica, had agreed to serve as a mediator and that Roberto Micheletti, Honduras's acting president, had also accepted the move."
 
Just so everyone knows the Mediation was a demand that Zelaya be returned to office. This demand was delivered by Hillary Clinton at the orders of POTUS. The reports used to make up the minds of the Ombama administration were prepared by the OAS the chief mediator is a Venezualan assigned by Chavez.

The interim Honduran goverment told everyone pound sand this is our country. But the US removed 31 million in aid from one th poorest countries in latin america.

The Honduran goverment is holding elections in November. The interim President is not running because being president for even one day is constitutionaly considered a term in Honduras.

So hopefully this one little country with nads the size of bowling balls will show up all the socialist and socialist abettors and apeasers and continue to determine her path.

Thats some change I could believe in.
 
Seriously... America's lack of concern towards the leftist movements in Latin America is going to bite it in the butt some day. I just cannot seem to see what it is that Honduras did wrong.
I guess whereas the POTUS can't go overboard with being radically left in America he can do so overseas.
Not very encouraging.
 
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