mmarsh
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Don't be so childish and simplistic and patronising and insulting. Much off my childhood and schooldays were spent in exactly the toughest and poorest areas of Hackney, and Tottenham and Bethnal Green, even tougher; we were much poorer then; One bedroom with five of us; one living room for us containing the gas cooker, and the coal for the fire was tipped into a cupboard in that room.; no water or sink; that was outside on the third floor landing, one cold water sink between five families; the only toilet was up another outside flight of steps, again shared by five families; after WW11, from that home, I won the scholarship to Grammar school; poor, Yes, Happy - Yes. We all worked and dragged ourselves up, but we didn't expect others to give us anything; that is why, scholarship or not, I went to sea as soon as school was finished. So don't give me your old nonsense regarding poor areas. Doesn't it strike you as an odd coincidence that these criminals own community, and the Pakistani community, and the Sikh community and the Turkish community amongst others utterly condemn the actions of this gang culture criminality and in fact came onto the streets to confront them, and calling for increased police power and numbers and activity; they have all been under siege.. These gangs live on benefits and do not work, do not wish to work, wish to pursue their criminal stealing and drug dealing. Now they enjoy arson. They have the same education etc. offerred to them as all other communities. This is not the lumpen prolitariat, they have been shooting and knifing each other for some time. Solution after solution has been made available to them, without effect. They feed off your 'happy calm people'. They love the bragging rights. They love the gang gangster culture.
Bill Bratton time in the UK. This might happen.There is no justification whatsoever for these criminals, political or other wise, just wanton criminality.
Three Muslim young men were deliberately run down and killed it seems, another elderly man in his own leafy suberb beaten unconcious and robbed and dying with no way of knowing yet who he is. Malaysian student pulled from his bike and jaw and teeth broken, lifted from the floor and robbed then left on the pavement. (See You Tube.)
Many police injured. So far 1400 arrests and climbing. Courts are working all night.
And you shouldn't be so bloody sensitive, Nothing I said was insulting and the only one by childish and patronizing his you, not to mention rude, intolerant and arrogant. You have made it clear that don't like it when people disagree with you. You are in the wrong forum with that attitude. Nor did you refute my point, riots always happen in poor neighborhoods done by people with nothing to lose. Poverty is the leading root of crime. This isn't exactly a new concept. Whatever you say doesn't change that.
And please, don't even try to compare your past to this Generation. This isn't the 1950's, that was 60 years ago. Different Time, Different King, Different Era. You didn't grow up in this generation (which is not even my generation either, but I understand it a lot better than you do) nor were you an immigrant (or son of an immigrant) of a different race, culture, living in a foreign country under a great amount of discrimination and resentment by people such as you. Its not even close to the same thing.
You think its easy to find a job in a country with a 7.7% unemployment rate, when you are not only poor, but illiterate, barely speak the language, from a different ethnicity, widely disliked and mistrusted by the natives, and persecuted by hate groups like the EDL and BNP. More to the point, When was the last time someone call you a ****** and made you feel unwelcome in your own country? It happened to a Black colleague of mine just a few months ago, in my company, in London, BY HIS OWN BOSS. (The boss and his superior were both fired). Is that really your experience as well? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT.
I work for British Company based in Victoria. I work with about 100s Pakistanis, Indians, Sikhs, Blacks, and others who you quote "don't want to work". They work longer hours than certain people such as yourself spend time complaining about them. Where do you think they grew up? In the very areas concerned by this. They were lucky to get out, not all are as fortunate. You think just because you escaped poverty anyone can? That's simply not the case anymore, again denoting your lack of undestanding of the problem.
And don't try equating a few criminal gangs with people that are simply poor and frustrated. Yes there is a criminal element at play as well. But this situation was boiling beneath the surface for decades. Simply dismissing these as randoms acts of criminality without addressing the root causes smells like the far right parties might spew on about. They are having a field day with this aren't they.
You claim to have come from a poor neighborhood? How would you like it if I associated you with the Krays or the Richardsons? Whose reputation for crime, violence, civil disobedience put the punks you see in the streets today to shame. You are poor and White like they were. Ergo, you must be a London gangster too right? That's your parallel not mine.
BTW, I have been unemployment benefits too when I got downsized after the tech bubble burst. It sucked, worst 2 years of my life. If you really think people are living well off unemployment benefits you are deluded, and I wager the benefits in France are much better than they are in the UK.
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