Israel Got Him

[VDKMS]

ُSo the question is people like Robert Murdoch are dictator or not? limiting free speech is a good way but the another way is that you can speech as loudly that nobody be able to hear others speeches.

I'm against limiting free speech because words don't kill (unless they are orders which could lead to a kill).

If someone wants to make a video against Islam (or any other religion or whatever) that's OK for me. It's just his view. If you don't like it then don't watch it. When I'm looking at a video and I feel offended I hit the stop button. If I know in advance that it will offend me I don't watch it. That's my choice. If you know you are going to be offended and you still watch it then blame yourself and not the maker of the video.

So, An Islamic guy said in a school in Pakistan blah blah so? It's not about experience if anybody knows Arabic, he/she will know what madrassa means.

Not all of them are teaching the same thing.

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And exactly which group control a disproportionate amount of the western media?

Men like Murdoch, Zuckermann, Redstone(Rothstein), Levin, Bronfman, Iger, Immelt, Page, (Google)..... The list could fill a large the page. It seems men of this particular religious persuasion are in control of that same media that is sometimes alleged by Israel to be Anti Semitic.

It gets stranger and stranger,...

The people you mention own private or corporate media. They can be pro or contra. You can start your own media and proof they are all wrong. Dictators have state owned media and private or corporate media is forbidden.

You really are a sanctimonious prat.

hamidreza has shown you up on your lack of knowledge regarding Islam, as he said "Your knowledge about Islam is little and sketchy. If I was you I would study very more about Islam or I would never say anything about it."

So what gives Israel the right to live on Muslim ground? Or better still keep quiet and let people think you are a moron, rather then opening your big mouth and confirming it.

Under Islam, land once possessed by Islam, if subsequently lost to an invader, remains land that is holy to Islam. It is especially imperative that such lost lands be restored to the rightful rule of Islam. Historically, of course, such lost lands now lost to Islam include not only Israel but large portions of Southern Europe, Spain and North Africa. Since Allah's will is for the entire world to come under subjection to the rule of Islam, Muslims are known for their zeal in spreading their religion, whether by peaceful means or by the sword.

"Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the Book , until they pay the jizya (i.e. protection tax) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued" [Noble Quran 9:29]​

Or read this : Al Qaeda group wants to recover Al-Andalus

 

[MontyB]

Under Islam, land once possessed by Islam, if subsequently lost to an invader, remains land that is holy to Islam. It is especially imperative that such lost lands be restored to the rightful rule of Islam. Historically, of course, such lost lands now lost to Islam include not only Israel but large portions of Southern Europe, Spain and North Africa. Since Allah's will is for the entire world to come under subjection to the rule of Islam, Muslims are known for their zeal in spreading their religion, whether by peaceful means or by the sword.

"Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the Book , until they pay the jizya (i.e. protection tax) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued" [Noble Quran 9:29]
​

Or read this : Al Qaeda group wants to recover Al-Andalus

Here is your problem, you are arguing with people who know that all of the major religious texts of all religions can be interpreted in countless ways to suit the message you are selling and none of those religions are renown for their peaceful behaviour.

Also as has been pointed out on numerous occasions cherry picking the sections that suit your argument when arguing with people that know you are doing it is just plain stupid.

One last thing are you suggesting that a section of Al Qaeda wanting part of Spain back is some how indicative of all Muslims?
In which case could it not be said that the Westboro Baptists are indicative of all Christians or the Jewish Defense League is indicative of all Jews?

 

[BritinBritain]

Under Islam, land once possessed by Islam, if subsequently lost to an invader, remains land that is holy to Islam. It is especially imperative that such lost lands be restored to the rightful rule of Islam. Historically, of course, such lost lands now lost to Islam include not only Israel but large portions of Southern Europe, Spain and North Africa.

You still haven't answered my question, what give's Israel the right to occupy land (and in your own words) Muslim land? You are also admitting that Israel is an invader.

 

[VDKMS]

Here is your problem, you are arguing with people who know that all of the major religious texts of all religions can be interpreted in countless ways to suit the message you are selling and none of those religions are renown for their peaceful behaviour.

Also as has been pointed out on numerous occasions cherry picking the sections that suit your argument when arguing with people that know you are doing it is just plain stupid.

One last thing are you suggesting that a section of Al Qaeda wanting part of Spain back is some how indicative of all Muslims?
In which case could it not be said that the Westboro Baptists are indicative of all Christians or the Jewish Defense League is indicative of all Jews?

Maybe you forgot, I have nothing against muslims but I do have a big problem with radicals (from any religion). Now look at the conflicts around the world and 90% is about radical muslims wanting sharia law (and no, Israel is not the cause they are just caught up in it). They interpret the Quran like I tell you. They do not negotiate. And like I've said before, it's the moderate / cultural muslims who will lose out. They will be seen as yes-men by non-muslims and as heretics by the radicals. Why do you think that the far right is rising here in Europe?

You still haven't answered my question, what give's Israel the right to occupy land (and in your own words) Muslim land? You are also admitting that Israel is an invader.

Don't twist my words. Muslim land were not my words, they com from the Quran. Like I said before, there is no land that belongs to a religion. Israel does not occupy anything illegal. The state of Israel is a member state of the UN and the occupation was because of a defensive war. It's legal.

BTW, they didn't conquered it from the Palestinians but from Jordan, Egypt and Syria.

Did they (Jordan, Egypt) gave the land "back" to the Palestinians? NO. It was Israel that gave the Palestinians their first ever rule over their own people. Read the Oslo accords.

 

[BritinBritain]

Don't twist my words. Muslim land were not my words, they com from the Quran. Like I said before, there is no land that belongs to a religion. Israel does not occupy anything illegal. The state of Israel is a member state of the UN and the occupation was because of a defensive war. It's legal.

I didn't twist anything, I was quoting what you wrote when you were insulting brinktk.

How does being a member of the UN allow the illegal occupation of someone else's land? Oh by the way, "occupation" was your word not mine.

hamidreza said it best "Your knowledge about Islam is little and sketchy. If I was you I would study very more about Islam or I would never say anything about it."

 

[VDKMS]

I didn't twist anything, I was quoting what you wrote when you were insulting brinktk.

I did not insult him.

How does being a member of the UN allow the illegal occupation of someone else's land? Oh by the way, "occupation" was your word not mine.

Is it possible to illegaly occupy land that was illegaly occupied by a former power (Jordan, Egypt) or do we call it "liberated".

Either way, the Geneva conventions alow some occupation until an agreement is reached. The Oslo accords were such an agreement.

hamidreza said it best "Your knowledge about Islam is little and sketchy. If I was you I would study very more about Islam or I would never say anything about it."

You don't have to know much about Islam to see what the radicals are doing in Nigeria, Mali, Thailand, Somalia, Pakistan and many other countries.

 

[senojekips]

You don't have to know much about Islam to see what the radicals are doing in Nigeria, Mali, Thailand, Somalia, Pakistan and many other countries.

Just like you don't need to know much about Belgians when you see how they behaved in the Congo

 

[MontyB]

Maybe you forgot, I have nothing against muslims but I do have a big problem with radicals (from any religion). Now look at the conflicts around the world and 90% is about radical muslims wanting sharia law (and no, Israel is not the cause they are just caught up in it). They interpret the Quran like I tell you. They do not negotiate. And like I've said before, it's the moderate / cultural muslims who will lose out. They will be seen as yes-men by non-muslims and as heretics by the radicals. Why do you think that the far right is rising here in Europe?

You know I would have more respect for your argument if it wasn't holier than Swiss cheese and didn't stink as bad, I can live with misguided opinions that is your problem but now you have started pulling numbers out of various orifices so I am asking you to prove to me that 90% of the conflicts in the world at the moment are over Sharia law.

Basically it is that put up or shut up moment.

As for how the Quran is interpreted I doubt you could find two Christians that interpret the bible the same and I am prepared to bet Muslims are exactly the same so I am unlikely to believe you are the fount of all knowledge on Islamic comprehension considering that your knowledge of it seems to have come from the "Right Wing Nutters Guide to Islam"

 

[brinktk]

You know I would have more respect for your argument if it wasn't holier than Swiss cheese and didn't stink as bad, I can live with misguided opinions that is your problem but now you have started pulling numbers out of various orifices so I am asking you to prove to me that 90% of the conflicts in the world at the moment are over Sharia law.

Basically it is that put up or shut up moment.

As for how the Quran is interpreted I doubt you could find two Christians that interpret the bible the same and I am prepared to bet Muslims are exactly the same so I am unlikely to believe you are the fount of all knowledge on Islamic comprehension considering that your knowledge of it seems to have come from the "Right Wing Nutters Guide to Islam"

Bingo.

I too wondered about that 90% figure...it couldn't possibly be the fact that the media ignores the deaths of black africans, the revolutionary wars in central and south america, or the territorial ones in tibet, burma, thailand, cambodia, etc...I suppose they're all radical muslems too.

 

[BritinBritain]

Is it possible to illegaly occupy land that was illegaly occupied by a former power (Jordan, Egypt) or do we call it "liberated".

So now you admit it was illegally occupied? You could say that western Europe was "liberated" by the German Army in 1940.

Either way, the Geneva conventions alow some occupation until an agreement is reached. The Oslo accords were such an agreement.

Allow some occupation? You mean like kicking the Palestinians out of their homes and off their land? The Oslo accords were and still are a travesty.

You don't have to know much about Islam to see what the radicals are doing in Nigeria, Mali, Thailand, Somalia, Pakistan and many other countries.

And that makes you an expert?

I would seriously suggest that you refrain from making any more stupid comments, all you are doing is digging yourself into a big hole and making yourself look more and more silly.

 

[hamidreza]

Well, the first step for Palestine

Palestine chair in UN.

 

[VDKMS]

Just like you don't need to know much about Belgians when you see how they behaved in the Congo

That was only in the Congo, not worldwide. The Belgians also build roads, schools and hospitals.

You know I would have more respect for your argument if it wasn't holier than Swiss cheese and didn't stink as bad, I can live with misguided opinions that is your problem but now you have started pulling numbers out of various orifices so I am asking you to prove to me that 90% of the conflicts in the world at the moment are over Sharia law.

Philippines - Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) - After more than 40 years of fighting Sharia Law in Bangsamoro (Mindenao). MILF wanted control of "ancestral Moslem areas" (Muslim ground).​

Mali - Ansar Dine and Mujao (members of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM))impose sharia law in Northern Mali​

Nigeria - Boko Haram - The group's goal is to establish a fully Islamic state in Nigeria, including the implementation of criminal sharia courts across the country​

Thailand - Sunni Islamists (Mujahideen Pattani Movement (BNP) among 8 radical groups) - The dream of radical Sunni Islamists in southern Thailand is to have a land with no Buddhists and to create an Islamic Sharia state.​

Somalia - Al Shabaab - joined al-Qaeda , waging jihad against "enemies of Islam" , wants to impose sharia law in all Somalia​

Pakistan - Taliban - One of the top leaders of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan said the terror group seeks to overthrow the Pakistani government, impose sharia, or Islamic law, seize the country's nuclear weapons, and wage jihad until "the Caliphate is established across the world." ,​

Afghanistan - Taliban - want to regain power in Afganistan and impose sharia law​

Tatarstan - “On July 19, 2012, on my orders an operation was conducted against the enemies of Allah,” the guerrilla fighter, who identified himself as Muhammad, emir of the mujahedeen of Tatarstan, said in a video posted on an Islamist Internet site that focuses on the predominantly Muslim Caucasus region, including Chechnya.​

Iraq - Islamic State of Iraq, a part of Al-Qaeda in Iraq - in an audio recording “We have never fought to [liberate] the land, but to establish a Caliphate and to instate Sharia” and “we fight to instate [the religion of] Allah worldwide.”​

Gaza - Hamas - look up the covenant of Hamas​

Syria - radical Sunni Islamic forces in Syria hope to create an Islamic Sharia law state whereby all progressive forces within Syria will be turned over to a culture based on “Talibanization.”​

Yemen - Al-Qaeda - want to impose sharia law in the country and already has in the parts they occupy.​

Bin Laden said : “Muslims are obligated to raid the lands of the infidels, occupy them, and exchange their systems of governance for an Islamic system, barring any practice that contradicts the Sharia from being publicly voiced among the people, as was the case at the dawn of Islam."

The Muslim Brotherhood leadership says its goal is “mastership of the world” and “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.” The Brotherhood even outlines how it wants to accomplish this through a process of “gradualism.”

Egypt - Muslim Brotherhood and Salafists - Draft Constitution Institutes Sharia as Law of Land​

Sudan - Sharia law​

Indonesia - Aceh Sumatra National Liberation Front (ASNLF) - Sharia Law in Aceh​

Basically it is that put up or shut up moment.

Put up. (and I can put up more).

As for how the Quran is interpreted I doubt you could find two Christians that interpret the bible the same and I am prepared to bet Muslims are exactly the same so I am unlikely to believe you are the fount of all knowledge on Islamic comprehension considering that your knowledge of it seems to have come from the "Right Wing Nutters Guide to Islam"

I don't need the "Right Wing Nutters Guide to Islam", I've seen it with my own eyes in Antwerp how a once florishing neighborhood transformed into a radical muslim neighborhood. One woman refused to sell her house (the last non-muslim one) at a discount to the radicals. She was killed.
There's a group called "Sharia4Belgium" that says enough doesn't it? It's leader (Belkacem) was put in jail for a brief period.
48% of Antwerp’s Muslim youths are convinced that the Quran should be taken literally and 21% readily admit that they have already heard their imam preach a hate sermon. In addition, 21% of the young Antwerp Muslims say that they find it “problematic” that the majority of Antwerp’s citizens are non-Muslims, while less than half (47%) do not regard this as a problem. (Keeping Islam Pure in Europe)

And quite frankly, you're putting your head in the sand

List of Islamic Terror Attacks from 2011

So now you admit it was illegally occupied? You could say that western Europe was "liberated" by the German Army in 1940.

Western Europe was not occupied before the Germans invaded.

Allow some occupation? You mean like kicking the Palestinians out of their homes and off their land? The Oslo accords were and still are a travesty.

Most refugees fled the war on Arabs advice. Jordanians kicked all the Jews out and destroyed most of the synagogues.

Only radicals , on both sides, call the Oslo accords invalid.

And that makes you an expert?

I would seriously suggest that you refrain from making any more stupid comments, all you are doing is digging yourself into a big hole and making yourself look more and more silly.

No, I'm an observer.

Well, the first step for Palestine

Palestine chair in UN.

If it will lead to more peace I support it. But I have my doubts. Future will tell.

 

[Israeli_Force]

Wow look how the subject changed you got through all israeli history lol

and about the subject himself the operation is over.....

 

[LeEnfield]

Now Israel takes even more land for settlements even after promising not to

 

[Israeli_Force]

I see u have no idea about israel huh?

palastine went to the UN after they sgined an contract that called "oslo" that one of the agreement was to not go to the UN.

and secong thing i wanted to say to u is that you are probably watching the BBC who is pro palastine channel who is tells lies like the time that one of the reporters posted a photo of a little girl in the hospitel and said that its from israeli bombing and at the end it was a girl from sirrya so please dont listen to BBC or most of the UK news networks.

 

[VDKMS]

Now Israel takes even more land for settlements even after promising not to

What's wrong with settlements? There are only two possibilities. They stay Israeli or they become Palestinian depending on a future peace deal.

Or are you telling that Palestinians are allowed to settle in in Israel and that Israelis are not allowed to settle in Palestine?

Jews are forbidden in Area A of the West Bank, a Palestinian who sells his house to a Jew gets the death sentence. Do the Palestinians really want peace?

 

[Israeli_Force]

let me answer on your question^

No,at least not now not when there is a terorist organization that rule gaza and all the suporrting we are giving to them going to buy just more weapons because the only thing they are living for (hamas) is to kill evrey jew. and not to remind that we are suporting them with water and power. so please dont talk with not knowing what is going on here (leenfiled)

 

[MontyB]

That was only in the Congo, not worldwide. The Belgians also build roads, schools and hospitals.

Philippines - Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) - After more than 40 years of fighting Sharia Law in Bangsamoro (Mindenao). MILF wanted control of "ancestral Moslem areas" (Muslim ground).
​

Mali - Ansar Dine and Mujao (members of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM))impose sharia law in Northern Mali
​

Nigeria - Boko Haram - The group's goal is to establish a fully Islamic state in Nigeria, including the implementation of criminal sharia courts across the country
​

Thailand - Sunni Islamists (Mujahideen Pattani Movement (BNP) among 8 radical groups) - The dream of radical Sunni Islamists in southern Thailand is to have a land with no Buddhists and to create an Islamic Sharia state.
​

Somalia - Al Shabaab - joined al-Qaeda , waging jihad against "enemies of Islam" , wants to impose sharia law in all Somalia
​

Pakistan - Taliban - One of the top leaders of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan said the terror group seeks to overthrow the Pakistani government, impose sharia, or Islamic law, seize the country's nuclear weapons, and wage jihad until "the Caliphate is established across the world." ,
​

Afghanistan - Taliban - want to regain power in Afganistan and impose sharia law
​

Tatarstan - “On July 19, 2012, on my orders an operation was conducted against the enemies of Allah,” the guerrilla fighter, who identified himself as Muhammad, emir of the mujahedeen of Tatarstan, said in a video posted on an Islamist Internet site that focuses on the predominantly Muslim Caucasus region, including Chechnya.
​

Iraq - Islamic State of Iraq, a part of Al-Qaeda in Iraq - in an audio recording “We have never fought to [liberate] the land, but to establish a Caliphate and to instate Sharia” and “we fight to instate [the religion of] Allah worldwide.”
​

Gaza - Hamas - look up the covenant of Hamas
​

Syria - radical Sunni Islamic forces in Syria hope to create an Islamic Sharia law state whereby all progressive forces within Syria will be turned over to a culture based on “Talibanization.”
​

Yemen - Al-Qaeda - want to impose sharia law in the country and already has in the parts they occupy.
​

Bin Laden said : “Muslims are obligated to raid the lands of the infidels, occupy them, and exchange their systems of governance for an Islamic system, barring any practice that contradicts the Sharia from being publicly voiced among the people, as was the case at the dawn of Islam."

The Muslim Brotherhood leadership says its goal is “mastership of the world” and “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.” The Brotherhood even outlines how it wants to accomplish this through a process of “gradualism.”

Egypt - Muslim Brotherhood and Salafists - Draft Constitution Institutes Sharia as Law of Land
​

Sudan - Sharia law
​

Indonesia - Aceh Sumatra National Liberation Front (ASNLF) - Sharia Law in Aceh
​

Put up. (and I can put up more).



I don't need the "Right Wing Nutters Guide to Islam", I've seen it with my own eyes in Antwerp how a once florishing neighborhood transformed into a radical muslim neighborhood. One woman refused to sell her house (the last non-muslim one) at a discount to the radicals. She was killed.
There's a group called "Sharia4Belgium" that says enough doesn't it? It's leader (Belkacem) was put in jail for a brief period.
48% of Antwerp’s Muslim youths are convinced that the Quran should be taken literally and 21% readily admit that they have already heard their imam preach a hate sermon. In addition, 21% of the young Antwerp Muslims say that they find it “problematic” that the majority of Antwerp’s citizens are non-Muslims, while less than half (47%) do not regard this as a problem. (Keeping Islam Pure in Europe)

LOL the Philippines are fighting MILFs I wouldn't mind wrestling with a few myself.

Outside of that funny moment I am sorry but you do make me laugh you use the slimmest of pretexts to justify your arguments I have a friend just like you only in his case it isn't Muslims it is bankers and Sept 11, he argues most sincerely that 9-11 was an inside job and can drag out every half baked website known to man to back his arguments.

You remind me of an old "Yes Minister" episode where it was discovered that the education budget had blow out and they needed a way to sell it to the public, the minister went on TV and announced that "Never before had a government invested so much in the future of the nations children"

 

[senojekips]

I see u have no idea about israel huh?

The unfortunate thing being that you obviously know even less.

Like a fish swimming in the water you have no idea that it is wet. You have been brainwashed and lied to from birth and like those ardent followers of Nazism can see no wrong in what you do.

and not to remind that we are suporting them with water and power. so please dont talk with not knowing what is going on here (leenfiled)

Now tell us that it was Israel who deliberately who destroyed Gazas own water and power generating infrastructure in the first place so that you could have a stranglehold on their vital utilities during your on going siege.

The population of Gaza depends on groundwater as the only source for drinking, agricultural use, and domestic supply. The nearest stream is Wadi Ghazza to the south, sourced from Abu Middein along the coastline. It bears a small amount of water during the winter and virtually no water during the summer.[68] Most of its water supply is diverted into Israel.

This same theft occurs also in the west Bank where Palestinian water supplies have been diverted to Israel.

 

[Israeli_Force]

I can understand how dare you compare israel to nazi germany.

and you are suporting terorists when you are suporting hamas.

you are so wrong in very diffrent ways.
but the worst thing is that you dont know what is going on here you are living in australia you have no wars you have no idea how is to be under fire of missels that directly been fired on you as a civi. and about israel we are calling people phones and droping warning papres and telling people not to get close to hamas.

so please stop to think hamas the reror organizitaion is so inocent and israel is killing civis for fun.