Debating it is all. After all, if he is a terrorist, what keeps us from being labeled that? Because we love and believe in the US Constitution?Perfect example of people jumping on the terror band wagon happened here, on this Forum, under the following Topic:
Topic: Plane attack prompts debate over terrorism label (AP)
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/plane-attack-prompts-debate-over-t81815.html
People just rushing to be the first to proclaim the attack Terrorism.
That would be nice but, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter! When you try to come up with a generic definition for a terrorist, I guess it can be briefly stated or summed up that.... "a terrorist is anyone who fights you in a manor of which you have difficulty dealing with."Basically we need a world wide clear definition of a terrorist. once we have that let 03's post become real.
A freedom fighter will go after his enemy. Not innocent & unarmed women & children.That would be nice but, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter!
If you can identify with people that can kills many innocent & unarmed people in the name of a belief, then buddy, you got some serious problems.So, we consider a terrorist as someone who carries a bomb into a crowd and destroys civilians of who we can identify with.
A suicide bomber can be a poor man's way to fight a war. Until they have the money for a cell phone, they have the money for fancy clothes, and they have money for cars even we have difficulty in paying for, yet they don't have enough money to buy shoes.....?So a suicide bomber is a poor organization's answer to the high tech country's massive military power. Either way civilians not involved in combat will die in large numbers compared to the losses of the combatants!
I don't think he's a criminal. I think he's dead.Calling someone who flies a plane into a building, one who is not affiliated with any group, who has a personal hatred for the organization they are attacking, I would call a criminal.
Another form of terrorism is a powerful nation with high tech aircraft that can drop bombs from eight thousand feet or ships with heavy artillery that can stand miles off the shore and use its sixteen inch guns to fire shells tens of miles inland hitting anything they choose to target. A combatant with just an AK-47 or something as elaborate as an 12.5mm (.50 Cal.) gun is no match against a modern jet that pulls out of a dive at eight thousand feet. So a suicide bomber is a poor organization's answer to the high tech country's massive military power. Either way civilians not involved in combat will die in large numbers compared to the losses of the combatants!
A big country with all the modern military weapons is NOT commiting an act of terrorism IF they are responding to airplanes ramming into their buildings, and one of their ships attacked and almost sunk. that's called retaliation. It doesn't matter how underdeveloped the other country is. If you attack the big guys expect to get stepped on. Especially if you have killed the big guys people that did nothing to you, so basically a terrorist is anybody who uses violence to make another person scared, teh returning violence should be expected, that's called human nature.
Did it ever occur to you that things the USA does to support big business brings more than its share of hatred? Incidents like Bopal, India are more common than we tend to hear about. The CIA testified before Congress in the summer of 1968 in hearings on the Viet Nam conflict that over 1,000 South Viet Namese people were being killed per week from US aerial bombs, killing non-VC people!A freedom fighter will go after his enemy. Not innocent & unarmed women & children.
The terrorist don't believe in what we call innocent women and children. Incidents such as Preditors launching missiles, kill some bad guys but also might kill some good people. To the terrorist, the big country is seen as killing innocent women and children. We called the situation as collateral damage, such as in Pakistan or, parts of Iraq. They would to refer to such incidents as killing their women and children plus the first blow of the conflict, they simply retaliated!If you can identify with people that can kills many innocent & unarmed people in the name of a belief, then buddy, you got some serious problems.
It is a matter of priorities, if you daughter is not allowed to go to school, simply because she is female, something like this 'might' not out of the ordinary -perspectives.A suicide bomber can be a poor man's way to fight a war. Until they have the money for a cell phone, they have the money for fancy clothes, and they have money for cars even we have difficulty in paying for, yet they don't have enough money to buy shoes.....?
True, the cycle continues and, I have no real ideas on how to stop it.so basically a terrorist is anybody who uses violence to make another person scared, teh returning violence should be expected, that's called human nature.
AMEN, it greatly depends on one's perspective.One of the many reasons why I think the word "Terrorist" is a loaded word.
And that has WHAT to do with this subject? We're talking about freedom fighters versus terrorists. NOT Vietnam.Did it ever occur to you that things the USA does to support big business brings more than its share of hatred? Incidents like Bopal, India are more common than we tend to hear about. The CIA testified before Congress in the summer of 1968 in hearings on the Viet Nam conflict that over 1,000 South Viet Namese people were being killed per week from US aerial bombs, killing non-VC people!
The USA supporting corrupt governments, governments which don't allow the people to display their dissatisfaction against their country/government but will allow the people to protest against America! Anti-American hatred will blossom there.
Here in lies the problem.
The purpose of many legitimate military operations is to in fact use violence to scare other people into submission or any other state that would limit or destroy their ability to conduct violence against the attacking force.
"Shock and Awe" attacks in the opening of OIF was probably done in this spirit as well.
One of the many reasons why I think the word "Terrorist" is a loaded word.
Actually Wolfen, I like the sounds of that! Good way to clean up a neighborhood.Terrorist IS a loaded word, If I beat the crap out of a drug dealer, and tell the rest of hem in the neighborhood that I'
coming for them too, then I could be arrested under charges of terrorism against another person. That's the problem, legit terrorists can be copied by a 10 year old. and anybody can be labeled a terrorist.
Terrorist IS a loaded word, If I beat the crap out of a drug dealer, and tell the rest of hem in the neighborhood that I'
coming for them too, then I could be arrested under charges of terrorism against another person. That's the problem, legit terrorists can be copied by a 10 year old. and anybody can be labeled a terrorist.
There is a way to determine whether a person is actually a terrorist or just a criminal. Crashing a plane into a building for example is not necesssary the act of a terrorist.
A terrorist group operates very much like the Mafia. They focus on a fear of violence rather than violence itself in order to get its agenda done. The actual violence is done only when the message of fear needs to be reinforced, but it is not their primary objective. its much easier to simply scare someone into doing what you want rather than forcing them.
Terrorist groups primary objective is political. Take any terrorist group and there is a political agenda in it. In al-qaeda case they wish to create a Muslim caliphate and expel all western influance and unpure Muslims from it. They have never expressed a desire for mess genocide of non-believers per se, they simply believe that non-believers lifes are of no consequence and are therefore expendable.
Except that many suicide bombers etc. are highly educated, highly qualified, with full pockets. Doctors, lawyers etc. etc.
Three of the deadliest suicide bomb attacks against targets in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank were carried out by bombers who had or were pursuing advanced degrees.
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