Georgia "Invaded" By Russian Forces

Topmaul said:
My point was from the Soviet oops Russian point of view they are completely justified trying to stop ethnic cleansing on their boarder we may not see it that way.
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thanks i think the ''Russians'' are full of **** when they say Georgia was doing a ethnic cleansing and i support russia.:9mm:
 
Hang on a minute, weren't nearly all of the casualties during the first few days when the Georgian army attacked South Ossetia? Using salvo systems in civilian areas didn't help. It seems the Western media are spinning a tale of Soviet oppression and overreaction whilst it seem more likely the opposite is true.

On Saturday
Russian and separatist officials put the death toll on the South Ossetian side since Thursday at least 1,400. Georgian casualty figures range from 82 dead, including 37 civilians, to a figure of around 130 dead.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7551576.stm These and the subsequent deaths are mainly reported by Russia NOT Georgia.

Moreover, can we be sure that the US and Israel are innocent considering their recent joint military exercises and equipment they have supplied to Georgia? We all know Georgia is highly pro-western and was winding up Putin. So Georgia backed up by the West (or at least with their knowledge) decided to step up the pressure on Friday in the hope the Olympics would distract attention, but the big bad bear was waiting and he has routed all of them.
 
perseus said:
Hang on a minute, weren't nearly all of the casualties during the first few days when the Georgian army attacked South Ossetia? Using salvo systems in civilian areas didn't help. It seems the Western media are spinning a tale of Soviet oppression and overreaction whilst it seem more likely the opposite is true.

On Saturday http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7551576.stm These and the subsequent deaths are mainly reported by Russia NOT Georgia.

Moreover, can we be sure that the US and Israel are innocent considering their recent joint military exercises and equipment they have supplied to Georgia? We all know Georgia is highly pro-western and was winding up Putin. So Georgia backed up by the West (or at least with their knowledge) decided to step up the pressure on Friday in the hope the Olympics would distract attention, but the big bad bear was waiting and he has routed all of them.
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Yes Perseus, interesting. But let's not keep staring at the finger instead of at the moon: the Russian Federation has gained many points in this strategic/military show of force. Mostly on the diplomatic level which it will spend in the future by grabbing the US by the balls on Iran and Europe by the balls (does Europe have any? oh well) on gas supply.
And like someone else has said before, how strong an ally has the US proved to be, when the third largest contingent of troops in Iraq is Georgian and Washington didnt lift a finger to counter the invasion of Georgia itself?

Bad bad stuff.
 
perseus said:
Hang on a minute, weren't nearly all of the casualties during the first few days when the Georgian army attacked South Ossetia? Using salvo systems in civilian areas didn't help. It seems the Western media are spinning a tale of Soviet oppression and overreaction whilst it seem more likely the opposite is true.

On Saturday http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7551576.stm These and the subsequent deaths are mainly reported by Russia NOT Georgia.

Moreover, can we be sure that the US and Israel are innocent considering their recent joint military exercises and equipment they have supplied to Georgia? We all know Georgia is highly pro-western and was winding up Putin. So Georgia backed up by the West (or at least with their knowledge) decided to step up the pressure on Friday in the hope the Olympics would distract attention, but the big bad bear was waiting and he has routed all of them.
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Right, but unless Russia has over 100,000 displaced without homes, their casualties won't be as severe...Besides, you don't think Russia will attempt to spin THEIR story of "oppression"? Quite honestly, I don't believe Georgia would have been able to kill 1400 without Russia doing something much bigger in retaliation.


EDIT: As I thought, Russia has ALREADY violated the truce... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/georgia_russia

Pathetic...
 
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I would say the US/Israel alliance is not anything but an excuse by those who hate America to act a fool. What is Israel suppose to do, just allow themselves to be bullied by the terrorist countries around them?

I am not sure what the Georgians were doing that Russia used as an excuse for their aggression against them. I am sure we do not know all of the details on that. However, the appearance of things as they are to me from here and with the little i know of the situation, it seems pretty 50/50 to me. I sure hope Georgia did not do anything stupid and that they didn't have a legal right to do and than when someone stands up to them they cry foul. If so, that would be very embarrassing to us I think.
 
Like I said before, I don't think it's 50/50, but I don't think Georgia is the perfect little angel it wants everyone to think it is. Any time you force 100,000 people out of their homes and destroy their landscape and loot their villages, it's a little uncalled for unless the first country did something equally bad. And as far as I know, Georgia hasn't done anything to merit such a large retaliation. What I have heard so far, Georgia's actions in South Ossetia "killed" 1,400. I doubt the number went up that high, as it hasn't been independently confirmed, but still, that doesn't call for a full scale invasion.
 
My reference to the 50/50 was in regards to whether or not Georgia was justified/authorized to do whatever they did that Russia used as an excuse to invade.
 
Would you say the only differance between Georgia's attack on SO and Russia's attack on Georgia is one of scale? Still Georgia started this chain of events.
 
Topmaul said:
Would you say the only differance between Georgia's attack on SO and Russia's attack on Georgia is one of scale? Still Georgia started this chain of events.
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Let's just say that New Mexico wants to secede and join Mexico. We send soldiers in to quell the rebellion, right?

That's what Georgia is doing in South Ossetia. Even if it is seperatist, it is still officially part of Georgia. It's their country.
 
Come on, the full scale military operation unleashed agianst Sout Ossetia was not a police action. It was an invasion of a region who does not want to be part of GEORGIA
 
AikiRooster said:
Saw about 1-2 hrs ago that the US advised them not to do what they did prior to them doing it.
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Which of course means: "Georgia, You're on your own".

On a related note, Am I sensing White House hypocrisy here? We invade Iraq to Spread Freedom and Democracy (or something like that) without any request for intervention from the Iraqis. BUT we won't budge a finger to help a good friend who is begging for our help from a predatory military aggressor whose stated goal is the overthrow of a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government, in order to replace it with a Moscow backed puppet.

Oh well, Oils well that ends well, as they say.
 
MM the Russians never said the wanted to change the leadership in Goergia

What is so hard to understand about the fact that Georgia launched hostilities agians thier countrymen under cover of the Olympics in a gamble to crush the rebellion and ended up losing their butts reports I have seen reports that said the Georgian Army has been smashed.

And did you guys see that nice shiny new Russian military equipement? :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAHrHd2lcw&mode=related&search
 
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The rebellion against a democratically elected government in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Regardless of how they consider themselves, South Ossetia is part of Georgia, much the same way that the South was part of the Union. They launched hostilities against rioters comitting treason.
 
The Other Guy said:
The rebellion against a democratically elected government in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Regardless of how they consider themselves, South Ossetia is part of Georgia, much the same way that the South was part of the Union. They launched hostilities against rioters comitting treason.
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Unfortunately this is a gross over simplification of the problem, SO has been a self governing province for the last 15 years, Georgian troops were in SO to guard the predominantly Georgian villages, SO forces were guarding predominantly SO villages and the Russians were there keeping them all apart.

Now for some strange reason Georgia figured it would retake the whole of the region and attacked the SO parts in the process killing Russians at which point the Russians said "woot" we get to put Georgia in its place and promptly moved in.

Explain to me why this is any different to Kosovo?
 
So you guys are comparing the American Civil War to the action take by the president of Georgia. Sorry your logic escapes me. This was an ethnic cleansing operation pure and simple.

You see the Russians as evil so every time they do something it must follow that it too is evil.
 
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