July 15th, 2004  


8) Will Germany rise to be a new super power? A Fourth Reich, is possible, perhaps?
July 15th, 2004  
*shaking head* I doubt it...at least I don't see it happening in my lifetime. For there to be a "Fourth Reich", Germany would have to produce a charismatic figure who could lead the nation to achieve a level of political, economic, and military prominence within the European Union roughly equivalent to that of Russia in the former Soviet Union. Unfortuantely, the rise to power of such an individual, particularly a German national, would very likely be blocked by other member nations of the EU who would fear the ascension of a new Germany.

I'm not saying that it COULDN'T happen...just that I don't think it likely.
July 15th, 2004  
just one thing.......
come on guys dont you think we learned from our faults?
did you ever recognize how sensible germany is, according to neonazi things?
As i posted somerhwere else in this forum, fe the commanding officcer of our KSK has been dismissed after he wrote a positive letter to a member of the parliament, that hold a speech that could be considered as "old fashioned". the whole army was a mess for a week.
Every child has history in school. No way for a repeat.
You even cant sing our national anthem here, exept at sport events. If you do, you seem to be a nazi. If you go out in uniform in bigger cities, you will be called a nazi. The federal court even decided, that it is legal to call a german soldier a potential murderer, If you have a german flag in your garden, you are a nazi, if you say im proud to be german, youre a nazi............blablabla....know what i mean?
A fourth reich......may I laugh????
Do you guys know what you talk about??
I bet that no other country in the world is more sensible for nazis than germany....
damn such things make me upset.......
July 15th, 2004  
The situation that bad? Can't Germans be proud of their country openly?
July 15th, 2004  
yes it is......
the younger generation now slowly begin to normalize their relationship towards their history, but the older ones that were born before 1970 have been so indoctrinated, that everything before 1945 was evil.
I just heard about a boy that was sent out of the classroom by the teacher, because he said, that he is proud to be a german.
But open proudness is unusual and not liked. For me as a soldier I rise, when somewhere, f.e. in a stadium, our national anthem is played. I always earn bad looks (can i say that?). Of course I see it as a duty, especially for Germany, because of our history, to prevent nazism everywhere. But i think we go too far.
Beeing a Patriot is quite difficult here.
All those things that you do in USA, you know flags everywhere, the national anthem evrey morning in the schools, and so on....those thing wouldnt be possible here........
July 15th, 2004  
That's like the north and south poles... proud of being a German before 1945 and then somehow lost of identity as a German after WW2.

That's different in Japan. Japanese are still proud to be Japanese.
I wonder what social changes took place in Germany after the war.. of course there are many, like East and West Germany in the past...
July 15th, 2004  
Hmm... the changes....
ok people where told that every german was a nazi. The whole world looked upon us with hate and accused the germans for the holocoust, and having started the world war.
I think the people just accepted that image.....
They even didnt want to found a new army. When the Bundewehr then was fouinded in 1956. It was pointed in our contitution, that our armed forces will never be brought into action outside the german borders.
Our writers wrote hundrets of books about the terror of the nazi regime, and many of of them had to be read in school. (i cant cant count how many books of berthold brecht and gŁnther grass i had to read). It was always persent for the last 50 years, that WE (not the nazis), are guilty of the holocoust and WW2. Because of the hereditary guilt, that we have, because all our fathers were nazis. Some people still think that way.
It often is quite dangerous being on vacation in Britain or France. If you say you are german, it can end with you being beaten up by some guys, for being a nazi. I had to find that out the hard way a few times. Some of my friends just say that they are from austria when they are on vacation....
July 15th, 2004  
Thanks for the info Pollux.
Hm, didn't know it was that bad...

It's really a shame that you can't openly be proud of your country...
July 15th, 2004  
I don't think so.....
Three Reichs were enough.

But yeah, it's petty You can't be proud on Your country.
July 15th, 2004  
the third reich was enough
the first two were pretty ok
1. The roman empire
2. The german empire during the napoelonic ages
hitler dreamed of a third reich as big and longlasting as they were