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April 30th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
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In Gulf War I they killed more Brits than Iraqis.
I like you, as a person I mean.
April 30th, 2004  
BlackJack
 
The UK is investing heavily in defence, they now spend US$54 billion a year and have recently increased it again by US$4.5 billion to fight terrorism. By 2010 the UK will have the second best navy in the world. At the moment it is by far the largest navy in the EU, and the second-most powerful in the world. Its 2 new aircraft carriers look stunning and the Type 45 will even make the US destroyers look almost obsolete!! As for the Future Surface Combatant (New Triamran Frigate) it looks as though the US will buy the technology too! During the Cold War it was the Royal Navy who lost out to Margaret Thatchers huge increases in defense expenditure. But by 2010 the UK will certainly possess a formidable world navy.

The RAF is going to be amazing too. At the moment France have the biggest air force but the quality of the aircraft are no where near as good as the collaborative efforts between 4 countries such as the Eurofighter. The RAF will also benefit hugely from the F-35 JSF.

The British army are probably the toughest trained and most battle hardened soldiers in the world. The US troops tend to rely an technology too much. If the Army sort out some minor cracks in the equipment (like the SA 80 rifle) then they will only strengthen their current superiority in Europe.

As for Special Forces, the SAS and SBS speak for themselves!!!



Which European nation can compete with the UK in terms of worldwide forced projection? NO ONE!

With 6 new amphibious assualt ships and 2 supercarriers on the way, we will stretch our capability way beyond any other European nations capability.

The F35 will give us a stealthy fighter bomber, the likes of which France has no plans for. A fleet of Typhoons, F35's and Tornado GR4's will be part the most formmidable air force in Europe. We also have the Apache attack helicopter waiting to come into service as soon as training is complete. We used UAV's in Iraq, giving us valuable UAV experience. Successful use of the Storm Shadow cruise missile in the Gulf.

An extra 3billion, roughly $4.5billion to go into out armed forces budget in the wake of the Iraq war.

More experince gained from the war, the outstanding Navy of Europe, which is getting better and better all the time. An airforce which is about to claim the undisputed number one position in Europe.

Our fleet air arm will operate hundreds of aircraft, including the F35.

New AEW T45 Destroyers, actually the size of Cruisers, and new frigates that can fire cruise missiles coming into service in the next ten years.

We are the only global military players outside the US. Not even the likes of Russia or China can compete with us in a distant conflict.

The United Kingdoms global military policy means it can throw its weight around anywhere, making it more competetive and relevant than any European nation, namely France and Germany.

When the world has only one superpower, namely the US, it is the UK that has an opinion that actually counts in its eyes, with our defence abilities, which we will actually commit if we feel the need.
April 30th, 2004  
BlackJack
 
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Originally Posted by RnderSafe
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In Gulf War I they killed more Brits than Iraqis.
I like you, as a person I mean.
why?
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April 30th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
I have seen this post (or one very similar to it) before on another board, it is a good write for the most part.

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The US troops tend to rely an technology too much.
Quite true.
April 30th, 2004  
Mark Conley
 
 
This has got to be the most literate and comprehensive of all the descriptions I have seen dealing with the abilitys and future expansion of the British armed Forces.

This is why there will always be an England..there are still stanch defenders of their isle and hearth left in thier country. This makes me feel very grateful to see, not like the actions of all those hairy toothed teenagers that used to give me and my own a ration of cr*p every time we left the base.

Stand tall there blackjack.
April 30th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
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Originally Posted by BlackJack
why?
Why not?
April 30th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
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Originally Posted by BlackJack
American forces are crap. They can't tell the difference between an Iraqi soldier and a British soldier. In Gulf War I they killed more Brits than Iraqis. Surely they must notice that the Brits are the ones with the light skin (some of them) and the technologically advanced weapons. In Gulf War II, the British soldiers had to put Union Flags up in their camps and big signs saying "WE ARE BRITISH. DO NOT SHOOT US" so that the Americans won't shoot at them.



As amusing as your fantasy world is, BlackJack, I'm going to have to require that you make all your future points without name-calling, ok?
April 30th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by BlackJack
The UK is investing heavily in defence, they now spend US$54 billion a year and have recently increased it again by US$4.5 billion to fight terrorism. By 2010 the UK will have the second best navy in the world. At the moment it is by far the largest navy in the EU, and the second-most powerful in the world. Its 2 new aircraft carriers look stunning and the Type 45 will even make the US destroyers look almost obsolete!! As for the Future Surface Combatant (New Triamran Frigate) it looks as though the US will buy the technology too! During the Cold War it was the Royal Navy who lost out to Margaret Thatchers huge increases in defense expenditure. But by 2010 the UK will certainly possess a formidable world navy.

The RAF is going to be amazing too. At the moment France have the biggest air force but the quality of the aircraft are no where near as good as the collaborative efforts between 4 countries such as the Eurofighter. The RAF will also benefit hugely from the F-35 JSF.

The British army are probably the toughest trained and most battle hardened soldiers in the world. The US troops tend to rely an technology too much. If the Army sort out some minor cracks in the equipment (like the SA 80 rifle) then they will only strengthen their current superiority in Europe.

As for Special Forces, the SAS and SBS speak for themselves!!!



Which European nation can compete with the UK in terms of worldwide forced projection? NO ONE!

With 6 new amphibious assualt ships and 2 supercarriers on the way, we will stretch our capability way beyond any other European nations capability.

The F35 will give us a stealthy fighter bomber, the likes of which France has no plans for. A fleet of Typhoons, F35's and Tornado GR4's will be part the most formmidable air force in Europe. We also have the Apache attack helicopter waiting to come into service as soon as training is complete. We used UAV's in Iraq, giving us valuable UAV experience. Successful use of the Storm Shadow cruise missile in the Gulf.

An extra 3billion, roughly $4.5billion to go into out armed forces budget in the wake of the Iraq war.

More experince gained from the war, the outstanding Navy of Europe, which is getting better and better all the time. An airforce which is about to claim the undisputed number one position in Europe.

Our fleet air arm will operate hundreds of aircraft, including the F35.

New AEW T45 Destroyers, actually the size of Cruisers, and new frigates that can fire cruise missiles coming into service in the next ten years.

We are the only global military players outside the US. Not even the likes of Russia or China can compete with us in a distant conflict.

The United Kingdoms global military policy means it can throw its weight around anywhere, making it more competetive and relevant than any European nation, namely France and Germany.

When the world has only one superpower, namely the US, it is the UK that has an opinion that actually counts in its eyes, with our defence abilities, which we will actually commit if we feel the need.
It's not all sweetness and light. For one, we need to cut out the colossal waste and incredibly stupid mistakes the MOD make when either managing contracts to build our own equipment, or procuring it from overseas.

-The Nimrod fiasco.

-The fact that we bought Apache helicopters from the US that we cannot use until 2007 as pilot training is running 3 years late. That helicopter also has problems in firing its own primary weapon, the Hellfire, in case debris from the weapon damages the rotors.

-The SA-80 fiasco.

-The Eurofighter Typhoon fiasco. That airplane was designed to dogfight a threat that no longer exists. We knew this back in 1991 yet we continued to design and build something that is in many ways no longer valid. The F-22 Raptor is a superior and more advanced plane.

-The Bowman communications systems fiasco.

There are more but I think I'll stop there :P

The world is global these days. It doesn't really matter if we're better than the Germans or the French. In fact, we should be encouraging these nations to shoulder some of the burden rather than trying to win a race with them.

We have a good military and one to be proud of. But we have our mistakes and our bad soldiers too. We also seem to have a real problem with logistics atm. There's no point in having well trained troops if you can't supply them with the basics quickly enough.

I also doubt we could claim to be the most battle hardened troops in the world as that honour would prolly have to go to the IDF.
April 30th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
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I also doubt we could claim to be the most battle hardened troops in the world as that honour would prolly have to go to the IDF.
As a collective force, I agree. I've worked with them many times and despite the stressors they deal with, I always found them to be professional and knowlegable within their field of scope.
May 1st, 2004  
JEA
 
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-The SA-80 fiasco.
Refer to my post in the "worst issue weapon" thread.

America happily drpped two 500 pound bombs on Felluja, as well as unleashing C130 Spectre gun ships on the city. As a member of the British Army I can not begin to convay my resentment to this tactic.

We have experience in this field, and as the Spanish AND Americans are pulling out of Felluja, Briton was asked to plug the gap!

At the moment the Americans are sending out more "Tanks" (as the media says, probably just more armoured vehicles) to Iraq. What do they think they're doing?! They are losing the battle, so more fire power MUST be the answer!
Of course this will win them the war, just like Vietnam, Grenada, Somalia etc. Oh, and don't forget, they "saved our asses" in WWII by beating the Nazi's single handed.