Potential Leftist Dictator Overthrown

1. Current administration is not in appeasement mode because they want to look like the opposites of the last administration... Current administration is in appeasement mode because "blow up first, ask questions later" DIDN'T WORK. It's time to try something else, like rationalizing with these human beings... That's what makes us different from the animals... LOGIC. Not following one's primal instincts.

2. You mean to tell me that "you got that right" added something to the conversation?
 
It is in the appeasment mode.
Many countries including Poland and the Czech Republic have taken big risks by siding with the United States and the cancellation of the missile shield (good idea) was not compensated by another mutual defense deal (bad idea).
Just because the last administration didn't get it right doesn't mean the current one is getting it right by going too far the other way.
Domestically I think the current administration is doing rather well or as it at least trying to do the right things. Same with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But as for other foreign policy, not so good.
 
I never disputed that they were in appeasement mode... I just gave the reasoning as to WHY...


I also never said that the current administration was doing the right thing in their course on foreign policy... Just that they were doing something different from the last administration.
 
Siding with Hugo Chavez and his buddies in the Latin American Socialista Club who are some of the most anti-US spewing individuals out there against a country that legally enforced it's constitution is appeasement. Considering Honduras has been a long standing ally in CA to the US and considering who the other guys party with ; Iran, North Korea, Russia etc, and it dosen't smack of appeasement to you? Okay then.

Logic in the real world is much different than logic in the classroom. You don't give something for nothing.Concessions are fine but you need a return on them not a maybe (the missile shield). If you don't play your hand right you end mistrusted by allies and appearing to be indesicive to your enemies, this administration like the Carter Administration appears not to grasp the concept.....looking instead for ....."We are the World Kumbya Moments" and revealing in their own manufactured utopia.
 
Do you read the posts before you post? Or do you just type what you think sounds nice and condescending? I CLEARLY said in post number 83 "I never disputed that they were in appeasement mode." So... In other words... YES, it DOES "smack of appeasement" to me. I was simply saying that I applaud their efforts for trying something different.
 
Rob Henderson said:
1. Current administration is not in appeasement mode because they want to look like the opposites of the last administration... Current administration is in appeasement mode because "blow up first, ask questions later" DIDN'T WORK. It's time to try something else, like rationalizing with these human beings... That's what makes us different from the animals... LOGIC.
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I'll be dipped if you DID NOT say they were not in appeasement mode.Read your own words (above) Junior.

Back Peddle much?
 
It's "pedal."


Read the post 03... I said "Current administration is not in appeasement mode because they want to look like the opposites of the last administration... Current administration is in appeasement mode because "blow up first, ask questions later" DIDN'T WORK."


I gave the reasoning for them being in appeasement mode.


Just in case you missed it. "Current administration is in appeasement mode because "blow up first, ask questions later" DIDN'T WORK"

BackPEDAL much?
 
Rob Henderson said:
1. Current administration is not in appeasement mode because they want to look like the opposites of the last administration... Current administration is in appeasement mode because "blow up first, ask questions later" DIDN'T WORK. It's time to try something else, like rationalizing with these human beings... That's what makes us different from the animals... LOGIC. Not following one's primal instincts.

2. You mean to tell me that "you got that right" added something to the conversation?
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Maybe not but blow up first usually works in most arenas :)
I used it for 20 years and I'm still here :)
 
Why ya wanna know where he lives? Payin him a vist? ....Gimmie a date I'll bring a lawn chair,beer and pop corn I wanna see that.

Or are you making another of your vague references about your disagreement with the war in Iraq?......of which you have no practical knowledge. Or any hot zone for that matter.

Whatever.......

Sorry for my grammatical error ....my bad. Thanks for pointing that out.....Teach....errrrr.

So I get now. You contend that your statement does not deny appeasement it simply justifies it. Ok.Six of one half dozen of the other really....."as long as we offend no one."

Back PEDAL......from you? Not if you had a veteran fire team supported by section of Ma Dueces...there Junior.

You pop in here with your little blustering comments every time your little senseabilties get offended...and drag everything off topic.

The topic is Honduras.Stay on it. Or GTFO.
 
It was a joke. Meant to say that I was going to stay away from his place of residence.


Don't get all offended because I called out your mistake(s). And you'll also notice that I said I didn't think the current administration was taking the correct path EITHER... As indicated by post #83, where I said "I also never said that the current administration was doing the right thing in their course on foreign policy".......

I simply applaud a DIFFERENT course of action. Who knows... We MIGHT get somewhere... But 8 years of senseless pounding and what've we got to show for it? A dictator's dead... That's great. But they're still in the "worse" part of "It's gotta get worse before it gets better" expression, for the most part.



Again... Please tell me how productive to the development of the topic the phrase "You got that right" is. But I see no condescending comments towards him.... Wonder why... Perhaps because he was agreeing with you?
 
I'm no fan of the previous administration but it's not something we should be using to make references with the current one. Like I said, I think the current administration is doing or at least trying, to do the right things.
But in terms of foreign policy in regards to other allies such as Poland, the Czech Republic and in this case, Hondouras, I think it's making a big mistake regardless of what the previous administration did.
 
Rob Henderson said:
Don't get all offended because I called out your mistake(s).



Again... Please tell me how productive to the development of the topic the phrase "You got that right" is. But I see no condescending comments towards him.... Wonder why... Perhaps because he was agreeing with you?
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Offended....no if thats all ya got it was pretty weak.

He was responding to a post, and no it's not because he agrees with me.....it's because you have been talking out of your 4th POC about this with no real understanding of the situation.It's because you seem to equate this with the war in Iraq and you can't seem to seperate any policy from Iraq.

Once again Honduras a country in Central America......not Iraq.
 
Don't worry 03 Rob can come to my residence when ever he wants, You can too, I'd love to have a good old fashioned debate about this stuff over a beer on the porch :)
Some times I need more than just the old guy across the street LOL

And Rob, I don't have to agree with somebody to say their right, I've been on the wrong side a lot in my life too.
 
U.S. State Department Sells Out Honduran Democracy for Senate Confirmations

Well looks like the 'Guardian of Democracy' has reverted to its old colours. :-(

Policy change to recognize elections without reinstatement of Zelaya torpedoes peace agreement, mollifies Republicans and alienates Latin America

In one of the lowest points in U.S. diplomatic history, the State Department announced a turnabout in its Honduran policy and stated it will recognize the results of Nov. 29 elections even if held under the military coup.

The new strategy to promote elections without first assuring a return to constitutional order torpedoes the accord that the State Department itself brokered and was signed by President Manuel Zelaya and coup leader Roberto Micheletti on Oct. 29.....


The Rio Group, which includes the U.S.'s most powerful allies in the region, Mexico and Brazil, issued an unequivocal statement Nov. 6 calling for the immediate reinstatement of Zelaya. It was signed on to by the meeting of Latin American and Caribbean foreing ministers held simultaneously in Montego Bay.

The 24 Latin American nations stated, "The immediate reinstatement of president Jose Manuel Zelaya in the office to which he was elected by the Honduran people constitutes an indispensable prerequisite to re-establish constitutional order, rule of law and democracy in Honduras, as well as for the normalization of relations between the Republic of Honduras and the Rio Group and for it to be possible to recognize the results of elections scheduled to take place on Nov. 29."
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Well since it wasn't a military coup to begin with and no military Junta is ruling the country..........fail.

But your place in the annuals of party history is secure...heres yer lil red star.
 
You are only showing an extreme right wing bias in your views relative to the rest of the world. I don't need to be left leaning in any way to see this. No doubt you see the UN as a Communist conspiracy!

To date, no single country in the world has recognized the de facto government as legitimate; all members of the UN condemned the removal of Zelaya as a coup d'état
 
I think you have a very weak understanding of what a coup d'etat is.
I don't care what the UN is saying.
No I don't think the UN is a global Communist conspiracy.
You couldn't be not left leaning if your mother's life depended on it.
I want you to prove that I am extreme right wing. You have proven time and again with your Communist drivel that you are Communist or you're damned close to it.
Where do I stand on certain issues?
Free Market - Should be the principle but there are services that should be exceptions. These include school up to end of high school, public healthcare coverage, basic needs such as water supply, electricity, mail. At least these should include the public option. Whoah... you mean there's actually going to be a free market? NAZI!!!!!!!!
Republican or Democrat? - 50/50. I think most of the criticism aimed at Obama are a way premature (he's been in office less than a year) and in many cases, as for the criticism about him handing out bailouts, I think he did the right thing. It didn't go as smoothly as hoped but the overall decision had to be made. SOOOO right wing of me.
Healthcare Reform - MUST be socialized. It works just about everywhere else and I think the counter arguments are just excuses and boils down to "Americans are too stupid to do it" which is something I don't believe. WOW so right wing!!!!!!
Education - I don't think enough is done regarding possibly the most important national investment. Education at least through to high school should be not only free but also of a high standard. Teacher wages should go up and corriculum regarding basic law, basic values etc., should be included. I don't believe in affirmative action because too many capable minorities who earn their spots via merit are assumed to be benefactors of affirmative action. But the country should invest a lot more in scholarships. Again... SO Ultra Conservative.

Tired of this sh1t.
 
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