How to stop China - Page 3




 
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October 23rd, 2004  
Red_Army
 
 
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Originally Posted by Ezechiel
If we look through the History, China for many times became World Number One. And what u read from the history as the result, when China were strong, they never ever invade any neighbouring country,colonise them, claim them as low class tribe/races. But what u see trough the history is -- mercy,friendly diplomatic and good trading. What abour western world? Imperialist,colony, looking down at other races and tribes, massacre.

In fact one very good thing is that, China's gunpowder technology had been introduced to Islam world (turkey?) then European got the related technology. And Gunpowder is the most important reason for why European became so strong nowadays.
This is a joke. The Chinese have conquered and invaded neighboring countries a lot of times in the past, here is proof.

In 221BC, the Qin Dynasty of China invaded Vietnam. The Vietnamese re-gained independence in 939AD led by Ngo Quyen.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...etnam.html#s97

In the 18th century, the Manchu-Qing Dynasty of China conquered Tibet.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...5_2/Tibet.html

During the Qing Dynasty, Mongolia was ruled by China.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761565003_3/Mongolia_(country).html#s23

In 630AD, the Tang Dynasty invaded the Turks, taking their land away for westward expansion. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...5_9/China.html

To say that China did not do anything bad is totally false. They are just as guilty as any other nation in the world.
October 23rd, 2004  
Kinection
 
Red Army, look at your time period. Those are Qin Dynasty. Today, it's the PRC.

If you like to talk about that, you may as well bring up American expansion westward?

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Are we seeing a pattern yet? Say and believe what you will but China is very interested in expanding it's brand of communism.
Chinese doctorine is focused on the defense of China, right down to the bullet (5.8mm).
You will notice that the countries that are being "influenced" are near China? This is for the protection of it's borders, China was not going to allow the US to firmly establish a foothold in North Korea or Vietnam, why? Because there is fear of westerners trying to spread their influence.

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The land grab of North Korea was merely "western aggression" huh? The invasion of Afganistan must have been western aggression, too.
The grab for North Korea by the Americans? Push up all the way to the border? Americans supporting the Mujahedeen (Afghanistan)? Saddam Hussein himself?

Besides, China is becoming less and less communist.
October 23rd, 2004  
Big_Z
 
 
Just because your economy is growing fast does not mean your going to be a superpower. I honestly think if China troops went up against battle hardened western troops they would get crushed pretty quickly. The only people who think China is a super strong military power are Chinese people.
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October 23rd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
China's neighbors can readily tell you that they are a bunch of very bad apples.

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Originally Posted by Big_Z
Just because your economy is growing fast does not mean your going to be a superpower. I honestly think if China troops went up against battle hardened western troops they would get crushed pretty quickly. The only people who think China is a super strong military power are Chinese people.
I wouldn't say so. The Chinese are a tough group of people too. They are well disciplined and the ideas of self-sacrifice for the good of the others is an idea I have found that has sat better with Sino-Asian cultures than with those of European roots.
The average run of the line European trooper will get ripped to shreds in front of a Chinese formation.

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Originally Posted by 03USMC
Are we seeing a pattern yet? Say and believe what you will but China is very interested in expanding it's brand of communism.
I think China's honeymoon with communism is over. This is why China's been doing well. They got rid of that stupid idea and started running their country like a company.
October 23rd, 2004  
Red_Army
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezechiel
If we look through the History, China for many times became World Number One. And what u read from the history as the result, when China were strong, they never ever invade any neighbouring country,colonise them, claim them as low class tribe/races. But what u see trough the history is -- mercy,friendly diplomatic and good trading. What abour western world? Imperialist,colony, looking down at other races and tribes, massacre.

In fact one very good thing is that, China's gunpowder technology had been introduced to Islam world (turkey?) then European got the related technology. And Gunpowder is the most important reason for why European became so strong nowadays.
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Originally Posted by Kinection
Red Army, look at your time period. Those are Qin Dynasty. Today, it's the PRC.

If you like to talk about that, you may as well bring up American expansion westward?
I know I looked at my time period! Ezechiel said, HISTORY!!! History includes the Qin, Tang, and Qing Dynasties. He didn't say present day China, you did! Ezechiel said, "China for many times became World Number One", that means he was mentioning history, not PRC. Next time, do a little research before you quote others! I think your pro-Chinese.
October 23rd, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The question of whether China was the most powerful nation in the world at times ... well its awfully hard to say. The West and the East barely interacted until very recent times, so who was more powerful than who is pretty impossible to tell.

One interesting thing is that if China rapidly moves forward in strength, India is going to be driven to catch up for its own security. People can say what they want about "good relations", but they are hardly fast friends.

On the whole, China has too much of a reputation as a bully for most of the world to trust them. This is the greatest obstacle in them becoming more influential in the worldwide scene. The world, as a whole, isn't sure they can trust China. Its up to them to change their image.
October 23rd, 2004  
Ezechiel
 
Red Army :

Hahahahahhahahah, red army don't try to talk about MALAYSIA WITH ME! COZ I AM MALAYSIAN!~

North Korea -- In the early of the war, The north Korean communist almost won the war,and then USA joined in. When USA almost won it, then only China involved. Why China involved? The naswer is simple. If u were the president of China, when a super power did something in ur neighbouring area, they can settle down information centre to spy u. Will u want that?

Vietnam -- Chna never help Vietnam in Vietnam war. But in fact I did read an article last time that China unofficially had aid a number of fighters to AGAINST USA(Which means China did not involved in Com,munism influence to Vietnam in the early period). This story maybe happen and maybe not. But looking trough the whole Vietnam war,basically China did not get involve.

I tell u,after Vietnam became communist country, they then provoked by Russian to against the China. And then China had a small battle with Vietnam later. China claimed victory in 20 days without taking hostage, beat them and blablablablabla noncense........

Cambodia? Don't think so.

Malaysia Communist hahahahhahahaha. Let me tell u Malaysia Communist never been support by China side. Especially when Malaysia became the first country to be the China diplomatic friend, China never support the communist act. Mlaaysian Communist acted as an evil side becoz they were encouraged to do so in the International Communist stage.

But Vietnam war was believe provoked by Russian.

Cold war? The conflict between western + USA vs Soviet Union. Who started that officially first? Western side. The only Soviet do so (If I were not mistaken). Malaysia hate that kind of situation, so Malaysia aggresively united a group of countries and told the world that They were neutral and not supporting any side in the time.

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[quote="Red_Army"]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezechiel

This is a joke. The Chinese have conquered and invaded neighboring countries a lot of times in the past, here is proof.

In 221BC, the Qin Dynasty of China invaded Vietnam. The Vietnamese re-gained independence in 939AD led by Ngo Quyen.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...etnam.html#s97

In the 18th century, the Manchu-Qing Dynasty of China conquered Tibet.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...5_2/Tibet.html

During the Qing Dynasty, Mongolia was ruled by China.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761565003_3/Mongolia_(country).html#s23

In 630AD, the Tang Dynasty invaded the Turks, taking their land away for westward expansion. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...5_9/China.html

To say that China did not do anything bad is totally false. They are just as guilty as any other nation in the world.
Today u look at it now. The China government were mainly Han Chinese. So we should be better to look at Han Chinese dynasty over the outer invasion :

Qin - no comment. Emperor Ying Zhen was a iron fist man at that time.

Tang Dynasty -- I tell what the actually situation r. I believe it's not the Turkish, but the Iranian. At that time the Iranian were not a Islamic country. And then, Islam world rised, and the Islamic soldiers conquered Iran (Persia). The king of Iran escape to Tang Dynasty and look for aid. So, Tang DYnasty,Korean and Japanese united army went to western side to fought the Islamis soldiers. As the result, the Chinese-Korean-Japanese united army lost the war becoz a soldier leader of a China inland tribe betroyed. This is not an direct invasion, but to being asked by the Iranian king to do so.

The Tang Dynasty vs Islam story were very little known by ppl now that. Historian believed that if today Tang won the war. Now the middle east could became a mandarin speaking region.


But if u consider for How many times China had been numbers. U will discover those above Invasion were to least for a World Number 1 country isn't it?

Let's see when Western world became number 1,what happen :

1. Latin american,african and asian were taken as low class people
2. Economic exploitations
3. South East Asia, South America,Africa being Colonised.
4. China in 19th century had pay TRILLIONS OF MONEY TO THE WESTERN AND JAPANESE IMPERIALIST.

Nice Number one for western side

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Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer

LOL!? What!?!?!?

So that whole communist annexing chunks of east europe was apart of "western aggression"? The whole backing Chinese communist in China was "western aggresion"? The land grab of North Korea was merely "western aggression" huh? The invasion of Afganistan must have been western aggression, too.

I would reply to the rest of the post, but that's just hilarious.
When western side seem this communism threat. They united and confront Soviet union first isn't it?

My country, Malaysia, although were quite tiny and weak. But they officially wanted to remain neutral and did not want to join any of the 2 sides. For both sides also did not have any good. So we made a new international body, which in purpose to show that there r also countries who wanted peace and hermony but not dangeorous situation like cold war.

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October 23rd, 2004  
LeatherNeckRVA
 
The U.S. has always been interested in stopping dictators, especially horrible men like Stalin, I think It's a shame more countries didn't ally against him during the Cold War he was a terrible person who provoked everything that was brough on him.
October 23rd, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
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When western side seem this communism threat. They united and confront Soviet union first isn't it?
no kidding. After Russia forced those countries to unite with them and spread communism.

God, you're trying to penalize the west for protecting herself from communism? Logic? Okay.... whatever you say man.
October 23rd, 2004  
Ezechiel
 
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Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
[God, you're trying to penalize the west for protecting herself from communism? Logic? Okay.... whatever you say man.
Protecting? I suppose it's more than provoking. It's no wrong that the western world united and protecting theirselve. But the problem is that the Western countries lead the way into a more extreme side and coz the world more dangerous. I doubt they ever handle this in a soft way.

The plan of Socialism/Communism United League had been planned by Lenin BEFORE Russian became Soviet Union. This dream had only been given and be fullfilled by Stalin only. For it's also a knowledge invented by Karl Marx in his socialism theory.

And then, one thing u must know that, China were not a member of this united league. Which means China remained as neutral and never provoke any Communism revolting cases for these decades. Since China never be such a dangerous role, why do u worry they will be dangerous if they became No.1?

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Before u say China what and what and what, why don't u guyz think about what USA did as the No.1 nowadays?

1. Iraq

2. Afghan (but Afghanistan did survive in good way now, the problem is the act of invasion were still wrong)

3. USA and western countries supported and carry up a few dictators in Middle east area -- The Saudi family in Saudi Arbia is an example, In order to get the oil there.

4. Overlooked African, in the other hand still claiming they r peaceful big brother, who coz so much chaos in middle east.

5. Few years ago, USA "indelibrately", "Carelessly" bombed the Embassy of China. This once lead the world into a dangerous condition.

6. Also few years ago. USA planes went to spy the China land in China teritory. A Chinese pilot went to stop them but they refuse to do so. And accident happen,the pilot died. And what about the spies in the plane who got caught by China? China released them all. And yet USA rufuse to apologize............

5 and 6 once the dipolomatic relationship between USA and China in a verybad condition and can simply influent the worldwide economic and politics developement.

1,2,3 and 4 Made the world dangerous in terrorism. Islam world were taken as a very evil side commonly by others.

I think it's time for u guyz to do a "HOW TO STOP USA" thread here.