You Gotta Love Berlusconi/Italy

Snauhi said:
He supports Iraq war, and if u see that its lot of people against the war in USA so think, how much it is in Italy

Snauhi, I'm going to tear through your posts like crap through a goose if you don't start putting more thought into your arguments. The point of a discussion is not to make the other people involved guess what you mean, you can just come right out and say it.
I can see where you are going with this, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a little more effort to clearly state your position and then make an argument backing it up.
HEy off but i heard that there was some missunderstanding when Bush and Berluscony kissed in his visit to italy,they almost kissed in their mouths :? :) :lol: :lol: :lol: TRUE??? :lol:
Marksman said:
HEy off but i heard that there was some missunderstanding when Bush and Berluscony kissed in his visit to italy,they almost kissed in their mouths :? :) :lol: :lol: :lol: TRUE??? :lol:

I say this has never happened. Even if it had, no big deal. Were Bush and Berlusconi gay ( which they are not ) they would still be the Bosses, to me.
To those here who said Berlusconi ( center right ) was rushing headlong to his end , in italy, since it supported the rebuliding and stabilization post war efforts in Iraq with Italian troops when the majority of Italians were reported not to agree on it, well European Elections provide a reply:

The Center Left ( 15 parties, including two communist ones ) had announced they would kick ass and that they would OVERWHELM the government majority. They had filled up our streets with huge pacifist processions for months, got fuelled by Italy's public opinion general adversion to war.
The reformist part of the center left coalition ( three parties ) had united into one party: they had cashed a 33 % in total last time and said they aimed at 33-35 % at the least.
They were positive they would do it.

Europe's going thru its worst economic crisis in decades, pretty much ALL of the governing majorities in Europe have been defeated ( except for Spain and Greece, but they voted last spring, tiny Luxembourg and Slovakia ).
Chirac's gov defeated, Schroeder has been overwhelmed by CDU ( Go Go Pollux !) and British Tories have won too.
Mainly because of the economic crisis all the gov'ts have been punished.

The gov't majority's representatives themselves were pessimistic, specially because Berlusconi's major promise ( taxes cut ) hasn't been fulfilled yet and that was a big handicap for the center right ( he said he would cut em after elections ).

So what happened in Italy ?

Center right: 46 %. Berlusconi's party lost 4 %, but this 4 % are made up for by his three allies ,who grow. Coalition generally holds its previous positions.

Center left : 45.5 % (including the hard liner commies who have toal different positions on foreign policy than the reformist part of the centerleft has, which would make governing very hard ).
The reformist united party (they had a 33 % last time ) reached a poor 31.3 %.

So any negative comments about Berlusconi ?

What will happen when he cuts taxes ? He can only get more votes.

I know this is no Italian political forum, but hey as long as the Big Boss and center right is in power Italy will stick with its allies in the fight on terror and what withdraw from war theaters as a coward country.
The center left take on the matter is the same as Spain, for those who dont know ( cowardly withdraw ).

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The U.S. has taken a lot of criticism in Europe lately. What are the important things about America that some Europeans do not understand? Some Europeans don't understand that the world changed radically after Sept. 11. On Nov. 10, 2001, in the most beautiful piazza in Rome, we organized a rally in solidarity with an attacked and offended nation and flew the U.S. flag. We were the only ones to do it, and we are proud. I think we are making some headway, though, with the idea that anti-Americanism and anti-globalization are not progressive politics but are pure ideological trash.

You and President Bush are both businessmen who became political leaders. Is there a bond you share? It's a matter of sympathos. That's a Greek word from pathos—to understand and feel together. We share a clarity in the way you say things: yes is yes, no is no. We also share an ideal that whoever is the leader must show the people the right road. We only met two years ago, but I feel I know him like I know my grammar school friends.

They say we live in the age of the American empire. Are there lessons the Roman empire can offer? My name is Silvio, not Caesar or Augustus. But the political tradition of ancient thought, filtered in Italy by Machiavelli, says one thing clearly: every prince needs allies, and the bigger the responsibility, the more allies he needs.

How would you explain your ownership of three television networks, the largest publisher in italy and other media holdings to the American people? My own TV stations are critical of me. I can't blame them. How do you demonstrate your independence? By criticizing your own boss. I believe I was the most hands-off TV owner ever in Italy. Since I entered politics, I haven't made one phone call to my business group.

You created problems at the European Parliament by jokingly referring to a German member as "perfect" for the role of A Nazi prison guard. Have you ever thought to adopt a more cautious approach? I'm not a traditional politician, and I have a sense of humor. I'll try to soften it and become boring, maybe even very boring, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to.

Has your success as a businessman influenced the kind of politician you are? Private television in Italy, which I founded, became an element of liberty, in breaking the monopoly of state TV. The link between my experience as an entrepreneur and that of a politician is all in one word: freedom.

It seems that at least a part of the disputed evidence accusing Saddam Hussein of seeking uranium in Niger originated with the Italian secret service. Was there political pressure to find proof of weapons of mass destruction? There was no political pressure. I had no knowledge of these facts.
Interview to Berlusconi: you guys can get an idea of him, i thought.

You supported the war in iraq. If no weapons are found, will the war be considered justified? First, the war was important to liberate the country from a dictatorship that existed for more than 30 years. Second, I stated in press conferences that weapons of mass destruction would not be found. This is on the basis of logical reasoning. If I was in the position of President Saddam Hussein, I would have made these arms vanish, either by destroying them or sending them out of the country.

Then why do Bush and Blair keep insisting that Weapons will eventually be found? Look, I hope we can find them. It would make things much more clear. But it doesn't seem such an important theme.

What do you really think of German tourists? Ich bin ein Berliner