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I heared a rumor that you can,t search forbidden words in china.
http://cn.yahoo.com/

民主化(Democratic)
天安门事件(Tiananmen Square protests of 1989)
六四事件(Other name of Tiananmen Square protests of 1989)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
台湾独立(Independence of Taiwan)
法轮功(Falun Gong)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong)
大纪元(Epoch times)
Result・・?
I couldn,t really search any words.
The rumor was true!
By the way,Don,t do it in china.
It is too dangerous.
 
Its blocked IN china by their firewall... the rest of the world doesn't know what its really like here looking for information on the internet.
 
very interesting artcle.


The return of China's censors
By David Fullbrook

LONDON - Trying to rein in reporters straining at the leash of censorship, Beijing is drafting a law that will impose heavy fines for unauthorized news of big disasters and social unrest. Wang Yongqing, vice minister of the legislative affairs office of the State Council, insisted the law would improve news by ordering officials to release information quickly while ensuring journalists reported accurately.

Trouble is, officials down in the provinces and counties are stuck in their ways, which usually means keeping hushed up anything that might do their careers or business deals damage. Nor does the central government set a particularly transparent example. Secrecy is still the default modus operandi. Bureaucrats can declare just about anything a state secret, including, so far, much of the proposed Law on Response to Contingencies.

Chinese journalists, meanwhile, have in recent years been lifting stones and shining lights into corners the government would prefer left dark. Reporters along with some brave officials helped break the coverup of the SARS epidemic that swept China in spring 2003, embarrassing China's leaders as they fumbled explanations to United Nations' health experts and fumed at bumbling mandarins. Reporters were perhaps emboldened by propaganda chief Li Changchun, a politburo member, telling them in January that year to "monitor some problems and issues in society".

SARS was by no means the first major incident of this decade where the media outpaced the censors. Joseph Fewsmith, of the Hoover Institution (a think tank at Stanford University), cites reports of 42 pupils killed in Jiangxi in 2001 while making fireworks at school for their teachers' business as a landmark story. Officials instinctively clammed up and tried to suppress the story, but public outrage was such that Zhu Rongji, premier at the time, stepped in, publicly apologizing.

Hu Jintao, who assumed the presidency from Jiang Zemin in 2003, and Wen Jiabao, Zhu's successor, both appeared gregarious compared with their predecessors. They cut a high media profile, from comforting victims of disasters to donning hard hats and overalls as they headed down coal mines. A dashing, eloquent and feisty spokesman took to the stage at the Foreign Ministry. Some wondered if they were ushering in more open times for China.

By 2005, however, the censors were back in favor. Laws and crackdowns swept websites and chat rooms. Police set up special cyber-patrol units, showing off their eager, fresh, university graduate cyber cops to foreign reporters in Guangdong. Academics and researchers were warned against publicly criticizing government policies. Ching Cheong, a Hong Kong resident who is senior China correspondent for Singapore's Straits Times, was jailed for "espionage", while Zhao Yan, a researcher for the New York Times, is on trial for "disclosing state secrets". This latest law is yet another shot in this ongoing crackdown.

It provides a legitimate, "softer" legal basis for bringing action against "errant" reporters, Chinese and foreign, emphasized Wang. That might help censors and police resort to less heavy-handed tactics for silencing reporters, which are at odds with practices in many Western countries and China's attempts to paint itself as a responsible, lawful power. It takes China another pigeon step closer to the sophisticated methods used by Singapore, where reporters who do not watch their words risk harsh penalties in the civil courts. Such methods helped Singapore rank 140, compared with China's 159, out of 167 on the Reporters without Borders press freedom index.

What explains the sharp swing in winds from spring to winter? Well Hu and Wen could have been playing most people for fools, crafting reformist images, while secretly emulating Mao Zedong and Leonid Brezhnev. That may be the case, but there are other dynamics at work.

It is well to remember that though China is an autocracy, its leaders have to cultivate loyalty, playing off factions, hoping they can keep support strong to see them and their aims through. This is, in part, a consequence of the procedures the Communist Party of China introduced to ensure orderly transfers of power between leaders, beginning with Jiang's retirement in 2003.

His Shanghai faction remains highly influential, however, because it fills about half the seats in the politburo. Remaining politburo members were picked by Hu and Wen, who are thought to harbor ideas and interests that may be at odds with Jiang's clique because they spent most of their careers in inland China, which remains desperately poor compared to the booming east coast cities.

Politburo members inherited from Jiang will not be around to look over Hu's shoulder after the 17th Party Congress next year, which is when they have to step down. In their place will come more friends of Hu to begin their two terms, with their second term overlapping with the first term of Hu's successor.

Hu has to watch his step in the run up to the 17th Party Congress at which he can consolidate power. Risks, then, are out. Daring new policies will be held back until after the congress. Reporters need to be muzzled. His clique, based on the youth league, has to keep support of the reformers, while winning over more traditional factions. Pushing on with economic reform, while then going after people, such as reporters and vocal netizens who cause the party to blush, is one way of doing this.

Only in 2008 will Hu feel comfortable in flying a reformist flag, if indeed he is a reformer. With the world heading to Beijing that year for the summer Olympic Games he may feel the time is ripe to relent, cutting reporters some slack.

Newspapers and reporters may not, however, wait until then. That China is resorting to fines to keep reporters in line suggests that it lacks the means to reliably monitor every newsroom in the country to stop unfavorable reports being printed or broadcast. Instead, it seems to be hoping that the threat of 50,000 yuan (US$6,250) to 100,000 yuan fines, which could bankrupt reporters, backed up with threats of the sack and possibly jail will keep them in line.

Their publishers, however, might decide to publish and be damned. After all, 100,000 yuan is not very much money to a large newspaper in a big eastern metropolis. Readers increasingly demand and expect big stories unraveling corruption, problems and even sex scandals. Newsstands hung with hundreds of magazines and newspapers bespeak tough competition for readers and advertisers, who increasingly look to the Internet.

Perhaps worst of all, many publishers are owned or controlled by local communist parties. Considering the short shrift they often give to many orders and policies emanating from Beijing, they cannot be counted upon to put party proclamations before profits.

(Copyright 2006 Asia Times Online Ltd. All rights reserved)
 
Well, when you can deny the existence of any and all bad news and you can rewrite history to make your nation sound like the hero in every instance, it tends to make your citizens more patriotic. ... Of course, its also call brainwashing.

Yeah, China is probably the most restrictive of what online content they allow to be viewed within their country. I don't know how you'd convince them to change.
 
They will change, their great wall of fire really can't stop a lot of things in people's minds. China is wary of giving up political power but as the country grows richer, I can't but help think that things are going to change.
 
The control of information coupled with an educational system which produces automatons incapable of critical thought is a recipe for the CCP retaining power indefinitely.
 
WarMachine said:
They will change, their great wall of fire really can't stop a lot of things in people's minds. China is wary of giving up political power but as the country grows richer, I can't but help think that things are going to change.
I hope some good chinese have will to make china democratic country.
But,unfortunetelly such people are bashed as right batriot.
 
The protestors at Tianamen were singing the communist international, i think their greater call was for reform and democracy would be nice. Once all the old guard communists die ior retire in the country, then things should start changing somewhat.
 
WarMachine said:
The protestors at Tianamen were singing the communist international, i think their greater call was for reform and democracy would be nice. Once all the old guard communists die ior retire in the country, then things should start changing somewhat.
No,way.That is completely impossible.
Can you imagine How good being communist.
I saw some communist-Bourgeoisie and their luxury life.
Democracy means their end of luxury life and power for business.
 
sandy said:
No,way.That is completely impossible.
Can you imagine How good being communist.
I saw some communist-Bourgeoisie and their luxury life.
Democracy means their end of luxury life and power for business.

are you a communist popaganda official who tell me that nobody can ever touch Communist rule or what?
if things were just like what you said, the communism would have already ruled this world. It doesn't make sense that you kept exaggerating how powerful and how invincible communists are. was USSR powerful enough,but where is USSR right now? so what! communist still can be defeated unless they were whole bunch aliens who came from another planet by spaceship. what we really expect is that chinese can use Democracy to finish CCP's luxrious life and absolute power on business.
dude,never say never. nothing is impossible in this world. for example, japan was one of biggest America's enemies in wwii , but right now Japan is America's best friend. nobody say communist guys will give up their priviledge, but while time passes by things will change. people need go to fight and struggle for their Democracy instead of begging and waiting for chimcom who give up whatever they have and willingly offer the Democracy. next fifteen years or twenty years, more and more chinese teenagers will grow up with watching American movies and eating KFC will be really interested in American Democracy. until then, if CCP is still reluctant to make any moves for Democracy, "new chinese" will do SOMETHING to change some rules made by communists.
 
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5.56X45mm said:
That's what happens when you live in a socialist communist country like Red China.

More like market socialism (an unholy fusion of markets with government ownership). And the real problem is Totalitarianism, not an economic model.

And some places in China are pretty sweet (my dad stayed in basically a private house while he was helping the Chinese build a plant), but those aren't the type of places the average citizen lives. Can you say REVISIONISM?
 
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Face it man, communism is dying, it's going the way of fuedalism, only that fuedalism had a longer run and was more true to its pricnicples. The peasents will probably encourage change since they're not experiencing the benefits like the richer chinese but they constitute half the population. If the PRC doesn't accomodate them, then there will be a lot of trouble in the country side for years to come that will tarnish the party's reputation.

As i recall, one of the main reasons the people supported the communists back in the day was that they enacted land reforms that wiped out land lords and gave peasents some dignity. Now the party officials are the new landlords who do what they wish with the property since they have all the authority, and the peasents again have lost their dignity. The PRC will change if they don't want antoher revolution.
 
These days,chinese internet censorship is becoming stronger and stronger.
By new low,even foreign journalist may be arrested in china.
And now,Chi-com are becoming more and more foolish.

For examples

He Qinglian's
She presented a paper about"Rapid modernization can be bad for china."
and She was confined.
She defected from china to USA.

Chinese Rock band Pan Gu
They played music in Taiwanese Independence Event.
and what happened them.
They couldn,t go back to china and defected from china to Taiwan.
Ma Licheng
He was ruined because he insisted that
"For economic development,Anti-Japan education should not be on work.
Face it man, communism is dying
Yes,that is true.
But communists-party members are aristocracy.
 
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Unrelated note regarding China.
A 16 year old I know lives in China, the son of a white politician: he tells me that "White Power" is the norm over there, he also tells me that corruption on the local level is horrible, I'll ask him some more questions regarding the country later.

P.S. He also says that there is a daily "pollution meter" in Shanghai, he says that several times he missed school because of air pollution or acid rain.
 
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