World Poll: Attitude Towards Countries

mmarsh said:
No, thats reality. Werent you watching what happened on 9/11? It was a clear message have how unpopular we have become.
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How absolutely idiotic and stupid is this statement!

Who did 9/11 to us?

The people who did 9/11 to us, where Islamo-Facist Radical Terrorist, who did give one once of remorse to purpusley targeting innocent civillians, who wanted to have Taliban-like rule over everywhere if they could have their way.

If we are unpopular with them we are doing something right!


During WWII Japan bomb us in Pearl Harbor, we must have been unpopular back then too. Did we do something wrong back then, or maybe we should have supported Hitler and the Japanese empires aims then they would have never bombed us, wow what a concept.

Lets go ahead support and become popular with Al Queda so they don't ever bomb us, shall we?:rolleyes: While were at it, lets help Hezbolla eradicate the state of Israel, I guarantee this will make us popular in certain parts of the world. Since being popular is the only thing that is important anyways.
 
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I think this once again reveals what we either 1.) already knew or 2.) should have known. Because the United States is the most powerful and influential nation on Earth today, we engender a lot of hatred.

In truth, we often behave a lot like colonial Great Britain: We always have a seemingly noble reason for everything we do, yet there are a good share of not so noble motives. We have the ability to deploy and engage our military virtually anywhere in the world, and we frequently do so. (For comparison, China and Russia don't deploy and engage their military all over the world simply because they can't.) People are going to be suspicious and untrusting of anyone who happens to have the capability of invading them and taking over their country whenever we want. There are very few nations in this world that we couldn't do this with, exactly as it was with the British Empire.

We do many great things for the world, but many not so great things. In terms of actions, morals and responsibility, I can't think of any "most powerful nation" in the history of the world that was ever better behaved. Most other nations who filled that role weren't so nice.

If China were to trade places with us in terms of influnce and military deployment capability, the world would most definitely change their minds in a hurry. But because China is ... case in point, not capable of launching an invasion of France, the world is less concerned with them.
 
How absolutely idiotic and stupid is this statement!


Who did 9/11 to us?

The people who did 9/11 to us, where Islamo-Facist Radical Terrorist, who did give one once of remorse to purpusley targeting innocent civillians, who wanted to have Taliban-like rule over everywhere if they could have their way.

If we are unpopular with them we are doing something right!


I will your ignore rude remarks, and will show generousity by NOT reporting you.

Why do you think the 19 hijackers did what they did? Do you really think think they also decided that that wanted to bomb America because they were bored on a Saturday night? Do you think it's a coincidence that almost all of them came from countries that are ruled in a authoritarian dictator? Terrorists only recruit people that are desperate. The reason being is that People that have something to live for don't join terror groups. The 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Kuwait. 3 Countries that have extremely oppressive governments. And the only reason that this government (whom are universally hated within the country) haven't yet been overthrown is because its given protection by the United States. Its our addiction to cheap oil has created the Islamic fundimentalist movements. As long as the the USA keep protecting these Arab dictators in order to secure cheap oil, people's hatred of us will continue to grow.
 
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Why do you think the 19 hijackers did what they did? Do you really think think they also decided that that wanted to bomb America because they were bored on a Saturday night? Or do you think they were tired of living in poverty semi-slavery, under a government that oppresses them. And the only reason that this governemnt (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, etc) which is universally hated within the country hasnt yet been overthrown is because its given aid by the United States. And as long as the the USA keep supporting these Arab dictators (make no mistake thats what they are) al Qaida will have no problems in getting new recruits. Our addiction to cheap oil has created the fundimentalist movements.
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Im not a big fan of Democracy in the middle east. Theyll just elect governments that would rather see the United States become a third world nation. We need to keep governments that are friendly to us in power unless we want a middle east full of Irans. We lost the Shaw, radical anti US people came to power. So for the time being LONG LIVE THE SAUDI KINGDOM!
 
Rabs said:
Im not a big fan of Democracy in the middle east. Theyll just elect governments that would rather see the United States become a third world nation. We need to keep governments that are friendly to us in power unless we want a middle east full of Irans. We lost the Shaw, radical anti US people came to power. So for the time being LONG LIVE THE SAUDI KINGDOM!
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Iran is a good example of what NOT to do. The Shah was a US puppet. After overthrowing the democratically elected pro-Soviet President of Iran (Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh) the Shah was placed in power by the west. Although better than future generations he wasnt exactly a benign leader either and the Iranians loathed being ruled by a US/British puppet. He was overthrown in 1953. And brought back to power by the US military. You can imagine the anger of the Iranians of being rid of a unpopular dictator only to have the Americans put him right back in power. The inability of the American government to let the people follow their own path of self-determination was responisble for the ascension into power of the first Islamic Fundimentalist party into power in 1979. And I think we all agree what a disaster that was...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

Look at Jordan, Egypt, Bahrain, UAE amongst a few others. Those arn't democracies either but they are friendly to the US. Yet we dont protect them nearly as much as the Saudi Royal Family. The House of Saud is Whabbi Sunni Muslim, the very branch of Islam as Osama bin Laden and al Qaida. They are fruit off the same tree. The only reason that they are friendly to us is is because we keep them Billionaires. But life in the Saudi kingdom is akin to the 13th century. Its very similar to the Taliban and Iran. They've got Sheria law, Religous police, the whole 9 yards.

By supported the kingdom of Saud, Kuwait, etc we are repeating the same error we made in 1953 with Iran, that is to say supported a unpopular government against the will of its people. We continuely put our interests against the will over other people.

And thats what makes us so unpopular.
 
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mmarsh, we are past the point of no return, we have angered too many in the middle east to drop our support for these governments you mention because once we do that they crumble and suddenly a government comes to power that has a deep seeded hatred for the United States. Unfortunately at this time our best and only option is to keep these unpopular but friendly governments in power, for our own safety. And it is not cheap oil we are trying to keep for ourselves, it is oil, period. Oil is the life-blood of this country, if we lose the oil we currently get from the Middle East our economy will collapse the nation will be damn near defenseless because we can't even produce enough oil on our own to keep our military fueled, our options would be heating our homes in winter or keeping our tanks and jets fueled up. Lose-lose situation there.
 
Damien435 said:
mmarsh, we are past the point of no return, we have angered too many in the middle east to drop our support for these governments you mention because once we do that they crumble and suddenly a government comes to power that has a deep seeded hatred for the United States.
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So basically going by mmarsh's explenation of why these terrorists emerge from the countries with pro US govts. you're now trapped in a vicious circle.
You reap what you sow. Osama is a classic testament to that.
 
fingolfin361 said:
So basically going by mmarsh's explenation of why these terrorists emerge from the countries with pro US govts. you're now trapped in a vicious circle.
You reap what you sow. Osama is a classic testament to that.
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Yeah, that stinkin' King Richard and his Crusaders really stirred things up.:horsie:
 
So basically going by mmarsh's explenation of why these terrorists emerge from the countries with pro US govts. you're now trapped in a vicious circle.
You reap what you sow. Osama is a classic testament to that.
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Thats why we make sure we have the ability to whipe em out of if we need to.
 
Missileer said:
Yeah, that stinkin' King Richard and his Crusaders really stirred things up.:horsie:
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Actually they did, but thats a very long story.


Damien435

I understand what your saying, but there is a way out. The easiest and the one I like is to get ourselves off oil ASAP and push alternative energy, Hydrogen for example has lots of potential but its at least 20 years off. Until then we can encourage these Arab Governments to be more open to Democratic reform. This was done successfuly in Egypt, Lebanon (before the current war), and Jordan and we are seeing a start of it in places like Libya. Democratic reforms soften the anger of the people on the street, without that dissatisfaction terrorist groups have no place to breed. Terrorists breed on misery and desperation remove that and they are considered nothing more than criminals.

The trouble is the leaders of Despotic regimes have absolutely no desire to share absolute power with their people. The US could increase the pressure on this, but doing so would mean a price increase at the pump. Its a simple choice do we want greater stability in the Middle East and better global security, or do we want cheap gas? So far, its been the latter choice.

My 2 Cents...
 
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mmarsh said:
Actually they did, but thats a very long story.


Damien435

I understand what your saying, but there is a way out. The easiest and the one I like is to get ourselves off oil ASAP and push alternative energy, Hydrogen for example has lots of potential but its at least 20 years off. Until then we can encourage these Arab Governments to be more open to Democratic reform. This was done successfuly in Egypt, Lebanon (before the current war), and Jordan and we are seeing a start of it in places like Libya. Democratic reforms soften the anger of the people on the street, without that dissatisfaction terrorist groups have no place to breed. Terrorists breed on misery and desperation remove that and they are considered nothing more than criminals.

The trouble is the leaders of Despotic regimes have absolutely no desire to share absolute power with their people. The US could increase the pressure on this, but doing so would mean a price increase at the pump. Its a simple choice do we want greater stability in the Middle East and better global security, or do we want cheap gas? So far, its been the latter choice.

My 2 Cents...
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Already, gasoline has dropped by about 8 to 10 cents per gallon and the public and Government are putting alternate fuels on the back burner. Both are not about to go to the lengths necessary to wean us from oil.
 
The year Congress decides to make ethanol mandatory at all gas stations in the US we get hit with the worst drought since the 30's, that's really going to raise the confidence level of the general public in using ethanol.

Hydrogen isn't the only way to go, we could reduce our oil usage by 30% if we would completely switch over to hybrids, that alone almost makes us self-sufficent in our use of oil.
 
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