Why would someone join the French Foreign Legion?

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What sort of a man joins the legion? Leaves everything behind him and signs up for at least five years. I know a lot of people (from south america and eastern europe) sign up for French citizenship or the money. But what about the people with good back grounds and had a good standard of life. I've heard of people joing up after university

I've been mulling it over and the only reasons I think they would join would be as follows. 1. They are dropped into a foreign countries army and learns a new language, it's like a totaly new world and helps them realise them selves. 2. The adventure (though acompanied by boredom and sh!t living conditions). 3. The sense of vocation. 4. It will change you, probably for the better.

Is there anything that would attract someone to the legion? To be honest I only ever heard about it in recent years.
 
How old are you Justin? If they think you are too young they won't even consider wasting their time thinking about talking to you.
 
I didn't think it was that hard to get in touch with them. After all I've heard of lads that recieved information brochures from them. AFAIK you simply turn up to one of the recruiting centers when they are activly recruiting, I could be very wrong but this is what I've gathered from the books written by ex legionnaires. Make sure you have enough money with you for a return as there may be a delay or they might not think you are ready ect.


Why not? Well from what I've heard there are a lot of people from eastern europe, some very shadey characters who are simply there to get french citizenshipm who get pissed off with the legion and take it out on other people there...then leg it out of the legion. I hear this is quite a problem now days in the legion...people not joining up for the legion but other motives (some of which would be much easier to get without joining the legion). I guess what I'm trying to say is that the legion of today is not the same as it was back in the day. There might not be as many recruits from USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia ect, so could be some isolation. And a lot of the recruits would be ex-military and others with no military experience could be two groups within the legion. Oh and learning french, and having to speak it all the time.


Why would I join? My countries defence forces are pretty sh!t and recruit only a handful of applicants. I like the challege of the legion; both physically and mentally. joining this unit is something which cannot be repeated in any other setting and is truely unique. I like the thought of doing something extremely hard to help realise myself and discover my limits.

(EDIT: I think I placed this thread in the wrong catagory, is it possible to have it moved to a more suitable catagory)
 
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- the military training (quality training)
- the pay
- the french citizenship
- a new start
- serve a country with a long and prestigious history
- the military experience with the FFL
- the prestige
- to impress some girl
etc

Take your pick...
 
What sort of a man joins the legion? Leaves everything behind him and signs up for at least five years. I know a lot of people (from south america and eastern europe) sign up for French citizenship or the money. But what about the people with good back grounds and had a good standard of life. I've heard of people joing up after university

I've been mulling it over and the only reasons I think they would join would be as follows. 1. They are dropped into a foreign countries army and learns a new language, it's like a totaly new world and helps them realise them selves. 2. The adventure (though acompanied by boredom and sh!t living conditions). 3. The sense of vocation. 4. It will change you, probably for the better.

Is there anything that would attract someone to the legion? To be honest I only ever heard about it in recent years.

Disclaimer: I have never been in the service myself. But I have family in the French military. I can answer what I can, but anything else you need to go here:

http://www.legion-recrute.com/en/

With all due respect, all the reasons you cited would be the wrong reasons. Join the Peace Corp if you want adventure, Move to Paris if you want to speak French, and nobody joins the legion for either girls or the pay. The pay is literally peanuts, and the legion discourages female relationships. You must be single to join, (even if you are married you will be marked as single, meaning no spousal support), marriage is banned for first 5 years and must be approved by a senior NCO.

There are many reasons people join the legion. The two most common are those who want a completely new start and those looking for an extreme challenge in terms of military training. I should caution you about both:

The FFL doesn't just take anybody anymore. If you are wanted on a serious crime not only will they not take you, they will hand your butt to interpol for extradition. YES, THEY DO CHECK. Less serious offenses can be forgiven (check with your FFL recruiter) as long you're in good legal standing. To see if you qualify or not speak to a recruiter (above link). I would also suggest you best be as completely candid about skeletons in your closet as the FFL does check and will kick your a** if they find out you have been lying to them. People with drug or violent histories shouldn't even bother showing up, the FFL doesn't want you.

Furthermore the FFL does attract some rather nasty people, who will bully those they perceive to be weaker then they. Americans especially will want to take notice, as Americans are not very well regarded. Although there are Americans in the legion, Americans will often be discouraged from joining by recruiters. Demographics is constantly changing but right now you see a lot of German, Eastern Europeans, and South Americans joining up.

For people wanting a challenge, go climb Mt. Rainer. Seriously this isn't Xtreme Sports. You serve France, but you are NOT a French soldier, French soldiers are a valuable commodity, legionnaires are considered completely expendable by the Government (even more so than regular soldiers). You will be required to kill other people and of course this means you can be killed or wounded yourself. Expect to be sent to some of the worst places on earth (Ivory Coast/Sudan and Afghanistan are common destinations). The French Government doesn't give a damn about you, so if you are captured don't expect help from the government, the legion takes care of its own.

Even when not in combat, Life in the legion isn't summer camp by the lake, its absolutely brutal. Life is very Spartan, personal honor/conduct code is strictly enforced, and punishment (including corporal) punishment is quick and severe. The Legion is really meant for those who want a extreme disciplinary lifestyle.

Seriously you'd really be better off joining the regular military first (lots of people here can help you with that). While it isn't required, prior military will help you adapt to the Legion if thats the life you really want. Most legionnaires have prior military service.
 
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The pay is peanut by Western standards... But for an African, an Asian, or even South American "normal class" citizen... The pay is good.

And dont forget a french citizenship, or any European citizenship is like a diploma for some people... You take it. And the whole world open up its arms for you. You can go to Japan, to the US, the UK, to France or any country you want in the European union easily... And for those other countries, you can always ask for a visa, and guess what? they will give it easily...

But if you are from a poor country, no body wants your ass... Some might take you, but they will treat you like a slave.

The FFL is a door like another. And can you tell me about the casualty rates in the FFL? how many die in combat every year? 1%? Now, what are your chances to drown crossing the Mediterranean if you are Tunisian young boy trying to reach Europe by illegal means?

And mmarsh? did you see the ads they put everywhere for joining the military? "be all you can be." and "be more than yourself." etc... Just hilarious when you think about it.
Now, tell me one thing, why would a man risk his life to better himself if it's not to impress the women?

Why would a man join the Marines rather than the national guard? There is always someone to impress in the story, and it's probably a girl.
 
The pay is peanut by Western standards... But for an African, an Asian, or even South American "normal class" citizen... The pay is good.

And dont forget a french citizenship, or any European citizenship is like a diploma for some people... You take it. And the whole world open up its arms for you. You can go to Japan, to the US, the UK, to France or any country you want in the European union easily... And for those other countries, you can always ask for a visa, and guess what? they will give it easily...

But if you are from a poor country, no body wants your ass... Some might take you, but they will treat you like a slave.

The FFL is a door like another. And can you tell me about the casualty rates in the FFL? how many die in combat every year? 1%? Now, what are your chances to drown crossing the Mediterranean if you are Tunisian young boy trying to reach Europe by illegal means?

And mmarsh? did you see the ads they put everywhere for joining the military? "be all you can be." and "be more than yourself." etc... Just hilarious when you think about it.
Now, tell me one thing, why would a man risk his life to better himself if it's not to impress the women?

Why would a man join the Marines rather than the national guard? There is always someone to impress in the story, and it's probably a girl.

The people who are asking here aren't from those countries, and not every legionnaire accepts to be a French citizen (I think its less than 50%).

I think you miss the point of the US military recruiting ads. I never once got that impression, and more to the point how many ads there are for the FFL? ZERO. There is no recruiting for the legion. The reason you don't see recruiting advertisements is because they are not looking for ordinary people. People who want to join find the Legion themselves, the legion doesn't try and find them.

Which is my entirely my point. If you have to ask about the Legion its probably not for you. I would think about joining a national army as a first step.
 
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Yeah, you are right, the FFL is special... But they do have some subtle way to speak about the FFL. Their wine... The documentaries they make about it... They dont show it off openly, but they want to let some people hear about it...

But I'm somehow speaking for myself. If I join the FFL, it would be for the training... Not the service. (I believe it's never worth it unless you are in danger. And I'm not in danger right now.) not the pay...
It would be about ego. And I believe that the only reason we develop an ego is for girls... Sounds pathetic, but we are human beings... No interest for girls, no need to dominate our opponents to shine... No humanity.

And I liked this sentence:
If you have to ask about the Legion its probably not for you.

I think you are right on this one... I'm sure they have some "interesting" characters in their ranks...
 
Why would a man join the Marines rather than the national guard? There is always someone to impress in the story, and it's probably a girl.

ROFLMAOASTC

All of you Marines out there. Admit it.
You have only joined the Marine Corps to get some p****. :read:

The man must have a twin brother, it is impossible for one man to be so stupid!
 
Come on GHR, some units have more prestige than others...

Even in the civilian world, there is more kick to say "I work for Total. And I make tons of money..." than to say "I clean plates in some restaurant. And I get paid 10bucks an hour."

Even in the Marine they say "the few the proud." It's all about prestige... Social status.

Ask a bunch of girls and ask them if they want to have a date with a Marine or a guy from the national guard and dare to tell me that you will get a 50/50.
Have you been to Israel recently? They speak about their military units like we speak about our university...

And we are talking about motivation here. Why would someone join the FFL? why would someone do anything?

Why do you eat? why do you clean yourself? why do you read books? To survive? just to survive? Hell no...

To be a better man. Why do you want to be a better man? To not end up crushed by the competition. Other men. We are animals after all... We have alpha males and females going for their attention. We evolved far from this aspect, but not so far. It's still here somehow... What is left evolved into culture to disguise our animal nature. And we built civilizations around it.

I just put it short and say that we do stuff to impress girls...

P.S: I took the Marines as an example because we see them everywhere... If it's an US movie or a movie with soldiers from the US, there is 90% chances to see a Marine at some point.
Even in video games, there is always Marines. They are everywhere... Even in science fiction movies/video games, there is space Marines.
Army isnt sexy enough anymore, now they want Mercenaries, Marines and terrorists... If they want someone to die in the movie, they call for army...
And for dialogues, all you have to do is put a guy to say "the opinion of this Marine is bla bla..." and there you have it. You have a kickass dialogue... You want to show leadership? Bring a sergent, the older/blacker the better... And you make him bark like the drill instructor in Full Metal Jacket with a good old "You will become DEAD Marines. And then you will be in a world of ****! Because Marines are NOT ALLOWED TO DIE WITHOUT PERMISSION! Do you maggots understand?" And here you get Oscars material... Movie done. Now give me the green...
 
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OK - how about this? To find yourself. To discover what you are made of, standing alone. Other established armies offer a certain degree of personal protection to individuals. :bravo:

Or how about this - running out of the cinema after watching the film 'Beau Geste' and signing up!:bravo:
Or was it 'bravado' I was looking for?:roll:


Edit : Oh Oh - of course - here's another one - to write a book.
 
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Join the FFL to find out... They will teach you to speak french like a real Legionnaire... With your native accent.

And I have one question, MMARSH said that the french government doesnt care much about the FFL. I understand that, they are there to do the dangerous jobs. But do you think that they dont report dead legionaries like they report other KIA French soldiers? I mean in the media.

Are we losing men from the Legion without being told?
 
Lads just to point out I'm not looking to join the legion or have an interest in doing so, I'm just interested in knowing why people join it. Possibly get a reply from an ex-legionaire. I'm playing devil's advocate here...
 
After Jean Claude VanDamm did a movie about him being a Legionaire I saw lot of of the (then) local kids "dreaming" of being Legionaires. Stupid, if you ask me, but kids are kids (and rarely can think past dinner time).

Training is good. Pay sucks. Treatment sucks. I thought of it myself once. But then I figured I'd be better off going something more local, like the NG.
 
Well movies have a lot of influence on our imagination.

Until this day, I cant imagine Russia without snow and cold and some drunk guy with a bottle of vodka...

Thanks Hollywood...
 
If it wasn't for the Karelians, this world would have nothing but ugly wimin. Instead, God created the Karelians, and we blessed this Earth with Beautiful women.

Breaks the hearts (and wallets) of a lot of sheep hearders I'm sure, but such is life..... :drunkb: :rock:
 
My eyes are to crappy, I'd need about 6k USD to fix my eyes using the procedure they allow for corrective surgery.
 
im trying to get to the legoin but cant get ahold of them is anybody out there in the legion?
go to their site and send them a message they will answer any questions within next day. by the way they are located in France. and you gotta go there to sign in. if things does work out over here ill give them a try on November.:horsie:
 
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