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while the same could be said for the US regarding eventual lawsuits from Taiwanese victims of J-10
[edit: and so is this]
[edit: and so is this]
BTW> When is China going to pay the US for the design information on the J-10 strike fighter. Yes, I know the information came from Israelis canceled Lavi program, but the US funded 90% of that program. Fair is fair.
PershingOfLSU said:The main constraint on how fast Japan can go nuclear is based on how long it will take them to get the Uranium refining facilities built and running. In other words, not long at all. If Japan saw the need they could go nuclear in two or three years.
As for why Japan is militarazing; well sorry to say it but Japan is neighbor to two of the most militant countries in the world. China and North Korea.
China is not a peaceful matriarch of the east. China has invaded India, Vietnam, almost got in a war with the USSR, brutally invaded and occupied Tibet, and proven its government fairly unstable. The first peaceful transfer of power in China since the Emperors only occured within the past couple of years.
In fact, Japan has been far less beligerent in the last half century then China and Japan's populace is far more pacifistic.
Japan has to rearm because when you're a country with no military, people treat you like a country with no military. Japan realizes that it cannot continue to rely entirely on the United States for protection with two very aggresive neighbors.
Lastly, Japan has apologized no fewer then a dozen times to China for conduct during the Second World War.
Edit: Added an 'er' to 'few'.
How about I list the countries China has invaded in the last fifty years.
Tibet
Vietnam
India
Alright, now that we're done with that; polls show that most Japanese don't want to change article 9 of their constitution. While the Chinese certainly haven't show any inclination to go about things non violently.
PershingOfLSU said:The Sino-Vietnam war was hardly a border clash. The Chinese invasion cost them some 60,000 casaulties and 20,000 dead with an equal number of Vietnamese military casaulties as well as 10,000 civilians.
The reasons for the Sino-Vietnam were not related to territorial borders. The war was China's way of punishing Vietnam for siding with the Soviet Union.
Now, if you choose to believe that China is a pacifistic giant incapable of hurting a fly, while Japan is still secretly plotting to conquer all of Asia. Then obviously nothing I say will be able to change your mind. And if you honestly believe that Japan should depend on the good will of China to keep it safe, nothing I say will be able to change your mind.
But last I checked West Germany rearmed once the western allies were willing to at least consider the idea.
With all of the ominious anti-Japanese rumblings comeing out of China it is foolhardy for Japan to just hope that China won't do anything and that if they do America will come and save them. You read?
However Germany deployed troops to Kosovo where they had a combat role and indeed saw fighting. And according to Globalsecurity.org Germany also has troops deployed in Kenya, Djibouti, Kuwait, and Poland. And how many thousand German troops are in Afghanistan? I believe those would count as political deployments as well.
As you apparently don't want United States troops in Asia, are you proposing that the United States withdraw entirely? Because that would simply idiotic. The purpose of having troops in that area is, believe it or not, to preven nations from getting into a shooting war. Without United States support Taiwan would be gone in short order.
The purpose of having troops in that area is, believe it or not, to preven nations from getting into a shooting war.
No one wants to get into a shooting war with China. But sometimes the best way to prevent that is for the belligerent to know that any war would not end favorably for them. Dangling a defenseless and juicy treat infront of their nose is not how you create peace.
CABAL said:PershingOfLSU said:Vietnam's decision to side with the Soviet Union does not appear to persuade much of Mao Zhedong to declare war. Mao Zhedong's decisions were based on his concerns over Vietnam's actions against Cambodia, which was China's strategic ally.
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my friend, great post
just one thing, Mao was dead long ago during Sino-Vietnam war.
it was Deng Xiaoping who made this decision
CABAL said:[From what I see, America's and Japan's potential enemy in Asia is not China. Instead it is North Korea, where the anti-Americanism is rampant all across the country. Plus the country has already have nuclear weapons, testfire missiles across Japan into Japanese Waters, abducted Japanese Citizens, a large North Korean spy agency operates in Japan, sent numerous Spy Ships to Japanese Waters, involved in fire fights in high sea standoffs with Japan, sent disturbing communiques to Washington and Tokyo to continue on with the childish duel of name calling.