A Can of Man
Je suis aware
There's going to be a point when this DOES in fact threaten our sovreignty.
Terror attack in Mumbai
Well the solution is simple, invade Pakistan nuke and depopulate it, then do horrible stuff to the remaining survivors.
1. Porn industry benefits from the "horrible stuff to the remaining survivors".
2.Pakistan is a terrorist hellhole anyway so one less.
3.We get to set off nukes far from anyone ( but pakis ) and nukes are fun.
4.We get at least one fun computer game about the genocide in Pakistan.
5.We blame Jews or Blacks if we are ever held morally accountable.
Violence solves a lot of problems AND can be fun.
1. Porn industry benefits from the "horrible stuff to the remaining survivors".
2.Pakistan is a terrorist hellhole anyway so one less.
3.We get to set off nukes far from anyone ( but pakis ) and nukes are fun.
4.We get at least one fun computer game about the genocide in Pakistan.
5.We blame Jews or Blacks if we are ever held morally accountable.
Violence solves a lot of problems AND can be fun.
Damn, some of the posts here are disgusting... Just plain disgusting...
Some guys here shouldnt be allowed next to weapons or live ammunitions...
Come on, what are you going to do? kill them a second time? the terrorists responsible for these attacks are dead. And guess what? we will have a hard time putting life back in whatever is left of their bodies to kill them again...
I'm sorry, but yeah, this kind of things just happen. We have to be ready to defend ourselves.
Collective punishment is a crime. So stop blaming Muslims for this crap... They are not responsible of the actions of their fanatics.
Some people sound like Ben Laden... Should we kill all the Americans because some Americans behave like criminals?
These terrorists can kill some of us... But those who push us to start to kill and destroy blindly will turn us into savages... And if we are barbarians, then maybe that these terrorists are right to attack us...
So, I prefer to be the nice guy. And to be soft on the terrorists... At least, I wont have innocent blood on my hands.
Some guys here shouldnt be allowed next to weapons or live ammunitions...
Come on, what are you going to do? kill them a second time? the terrorists responsible for these attacks are dead. And guess what? we will have a hard time putting life back in whatever is left of their bodies to kill them again...
I'm sorry, but yeah, this kind of things just happen. We have to be ready to defend ourselves.
Collective punishment is a crime. So stop blaming Muslims for this crap... They are not responsible of the actions of their fanatics.
Some people sound like Ben Laden... Should we kill all the Americans because some Americans behave like criminals?
These terrorists can kill some of us... But those who push us to start to kill and destroy blindly will turn us into savages... And if we are barbarians, then maybe that these terrorists are right to attack us...
So, I prefer to be the nice guy. And to be soft on the terrorists... At least, I wont have innocent blood on my hands.
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A Can of Man
Je suis aware
So if you die as a result of your actions, no action should be taken against the guilty parties who helped train and equip them? how's that supposed to make any sense.
Of course not. But there is a difference between justice and vengeance. And there is a difference between vengeance and blind vengeance...
What are you going to do? because of 25 people, you are going to bomb a whole country? it's ridiculous.
Terrorism can be fought with competent police and intelligence work... But it's not enough.
I'm sure you heard this speech so many times that your heads start to hurt when you hear it... But we have to fight corruption, spread democracy, respect the human rights, fund education and better health care...
And yes, these problems are linked. As long as there is desperate people, you will have terrorists.
You remember the joke where they ask a terrorist about where he hires his men... his answer was "the suicide hotline."
What are you going to do? because of 25 people, you are going to bomb a whole country? it's ridiculous.
Terrorism can be fought with competent police and intelligence work... But it's not enough.
I'm sure you heard this speech so many times that your heads start to hurt when you hear it... But we have to fight corruption, spread democracy, respect the human rights, fund education and better health care...
And yes, these problems are linked. As long as there is desperate people, you will have terrorists.
You remember the joke where they ask a terrorist about where he hires his men... his answer was "the suicide hotline."
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
It's not because of "25 people."
Everyone treats each event like it's not connected.
It's because of the conflict they're having in Kashmir, the victims from the other attacks, the attack on India's tourism and movie industries. On a global scale, for 9/11, for 3/11, for 7/7 (perhaps), the ongoing war in Afghanistan, ISI's support of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Yeah I'd say that would just about put you on a lot of people's sh*t list.
Everyone treats each event like it's not connected.
It's because of the conflict they're having in Kashmir, the victims from the other attacks, the attack on India's tourism and movie industries. On a global scale, for 9/11, for 3/11, for 7/7 (perhaps), the ongoing war in Afghanistan, ISI's support of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Yeah I'd say that would just about put you on a lot of people's sh*t list.
Oh really?
So...your saying that Muslims terrorists are not responsible for the terror they bring on people?
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go ahead wolfen, it's not a bad sentence for a tombstone...
These terrorist actions are done by a small part of the Muslim community, I'm sick of all these accusations we server them every day...
Should we bomb Christian countries because some fanatical christian bombed a hospital practicing abortion?
We have to be careful to not trigger more terror... Every time we abuse of our military power, we turn into the bad guys... And we litterally give ammo to the terrorists who start recruiting like crazy...
I see these terror attacks as a warning.
We cant beat them without turning into criminals. That's the trick. By bombing Pakistan, they win. We bring chaos, and they start building their own countries.
Look at Irak. We bomb them, and they turn the whole country into a terrorist nesting place...
These terrorist actions are done by a small part of the Muslim community, I'm sick of all these accusations we server them every day...
Should we bomb Christian countries because some fanatical christian bombed a hospital practicing abortion?
We have to be careful to not trigger more terror... Every time we abuse of our military power, we turn into the bad guys... And we litterally give ammo to the terrorists who start recruiting like crazy...
I see these terror attacks as a warning.
We cant beat them without turning into criminals. That's the trick. By bombing Pakistan, they win. We bring chaos, and they start building their own countries.
Look at Irak. We bomb them, and they turn the whole country into a terrorist nesting place...
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
So we've been doing it wrong all along and the only way to win is to surrender.
Well you see my dear Redneck... You call it surrender, and I call it to stop trying to conquer the world.
I think that we can solve many problems just by helping economic growth. We cant spread democracy with weapons...
I think that we need builders more than we need young men to push the triggers.
And I'm interested in Wolfen's opinion on actual training, and the training he had when he was in active duty...
Please share your thoughts with us Wolfen.
I think that we can solve many problems just by helping economic growth. We cant spread democracy with weapons...
I think that we need builders more than we need young men to push the triggers.
And I'm interested in Wolfen's opinion on actual training, and the training he had when he was in active duty...
Please share your thoughts with us Wolfen.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Yes and I too would love to sit back and do nothing and still expect to have a house, food and send my kids off to school.
Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way.
Right now it's easy for you to say that because you are not in immediate danger of losing everything you have from these threats.
The biggest mistake you can ever make is assume that everyone in the world is as kind hearted and as reasonable as you are. Once you make that assumption, you are screwed.
Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way.
Right now it's easy for you to say that because you are not in immediate danger of losing everything you have from these threats.
The biggest mistake you can ever make is assume that everyone in the world is as kind hearted and as reasonable as you are. Once you make that assumption, you are screwed.
Redneck, there is in this world some people who are real monsters... but these are a few. Some psychopaths and such...
but when it comes to ennemies and terrorists and such... Many of these people were hand made by the corruption of the world we live in.
In Paris riots some years ago, we spent a lot of time blaming these kids who started burning cars and sabotaging the city's infrastructure..
But I will ask you one question. why they did that? are they genetically inferior? why the kids in my neighborhood arent burning cars?
The reason is in front of your eyes. Our country welcomed these people as workforce. Not as human beings who could be future citizens. Because they were brown or black, they were parked in ghettos. They had the police to watch them day and night like if they were the scum of earth.
The people around me were lucky. They had schools with teachers. They had parents with education. They had a future in front of them.
While these kids had uneducated people with a different culture. They were isolated from both their parents who were at work, and from the society of the country that was supposed to welcome them.
So of course they turned into an unknown breed we dont even know.
This is how we make criminals and terrorists.
I would have no problem dropping bombs and putting them under the tracks of tank... But they were turned into what they are now.
i'm ready to put them down to defend myself. But my priority target is to get the people who turned them into that.
And I'm not talking about Ben Laden who gave them a belt of explosives. I'm talking about the criminals who turned some rich Saudi kid like Ben laden into a terrorist mastermind following some twisted ideology.
I want to get the bastards who tortured Al Zawahiri in Egypt to turn him into a man with nothing to loose.
Once justice is done. These terrorists will have no excuse to kill civilians. They will have less arguments to recruit terrorists. And I will have no mercy for them.
But now, I see in them the criminal and the victim. And I dont like the idea of attacking a victim we are supposed to help.
but when it comes to ennemies and terrorists and such... Many of these people were hand made by the corruption of the world we live in.
In Paris riots some years ago, we spent a lot of time blaming these kids who started burning cars and sabotaging the city's infrastructure..
But I will ask you one question. why they did that? are they genetically inferior? why the kids in my neighborhood arent burning cars?
The reason is in front of your eyes. Our country welcomed these people as workforce. Not as human beings who could be future citizens. Because they were brown or black, they were parked in ghettos. They had the police to watch them day and night like if they were the scum of earth.
The people around me were lucky. They had schools with teachers. They had parents with education. They had a future in front of them.
While these kids had uneducated people with a different culture. They were isolated from both their parents who were at work, and from the society of the country that was supposed to welcome them.
So of course they turned into an unknown breed we dont even know.
This is how we make criminals and terrorists.
I would have no problem dropping bombs and putting them under the tracks of tank... But they were turned into what they are now.
i'm ready to put them down to defend myself. But my priority target is to get the people who turned them into that.
And I'm not talking about Ben Laden who gave them a belt of explosives. I'm talking about the criminals who turned some rich Saudi kid like Ben laden into a terrorist mastermind following some twisted ideology.
I want to get the bastards who tortured Al Zawahiri in Egypt to turn him into a man with nothing to loose.
Once justice is done. These terrorists will have no excuse to kill civilians. They will have less arguments to recruit terrorists. And I will have no mercy for them.
But now, I see in them the criminal and the victim. And I dont like the idea of attacking a victim we are supposed to help.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Everyone has an excuse to murder.
Everyone has an excuse to set fire to cars.
Some people choose to do it. Others don't. Even though their circumstances are similar.
The criminals who turned the Saudi man called Osama Bin Laden into a terrorist was us. How dare we have a good level of free speech. How dare we allow women to walk on the streets without their faces covered. How dare we have professional sports teams. How dare we have the right to choose which religion we wish to follow or renounce religion entirely. He didn't like it and decided that we should die.
Everyone has an excuse to set fire to cars.
Some people choose to do it. Others don't. Even though their circumstances are similar.
The criminals who turned the Saudi man called Osama Bin Laden into a terrorist was us. How dare we have a good level of free speech. How dare we allow women to walk on the streets without their faces covered. How dare we have professional sports teams. How dare we have the right to choose which religion we wish to follow or renounce religion entirely. He didn't like it and decided that we should die.
Well, you see Redneck, I dont believe in your version.
I think that the criminals are indeed us when we supported corrupt governments in their countries, when we stationned troops in their holy lands, when we protected Israel when it was violating human rights Etc etc...
The list in long. And we have to clean our ranks... And then we will attack the ranks of foreigners...
I dont believe the "he is attacking our way of life"... I still remember the video of Ben Laden when he said himself "why we didnt attack Sweden and choose USA as a target..."
You know what is my job? I'm not a soldier. But I work in communications. it's not my job, but I was trained to write speeches...
And this point is in the top of my list. of course, I assume he is telling the truth on this point... He could be lying. But I dont see him lying on this, because he needs these messages to spread his ideas and activate independant terrorist cells in the world...
I think that the criminals are indeed us when we supported corrupt governments in their countries, when we stationned troops in their holy lands, when we protected Israel when it was violating human rights Etc etc...
The list in long. And we have to clean our ranks... And then we will attack the ranks of foreigners...
I dont believe the "he is attacking our way of life"... I still remember the video of Ben Laden when he said himself "why we didnt attack Sweden and choose USA as a target..."
You know what is my job? I'm not a soldier. But I work in communications. it's not my job, but I was trained to write speeches...
And this point is in the top of my list. of course, I assume he is telling the truth on this point... He could be lying. But I dont see him lying on this, because he needs these messages to spread his ideas and activate independant terrorist cells in the world...
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Trained to write speeches?
then you must be a professional bullsh1tter.
then you must be a professional bullsh1tter.
We cant beat them without turning into criminals ? Then i say we do turn into "criminals" the big deal with the muslims is that they realise we are weak, knowing that their families would be nuked or tortured in prisons would make these frackers think twice.
An eye for an eye is a good way to negotiate with these twats, my brother is in Afganistan atm and its the same story always, they are fired upon from a village and when they come over suddenly everyone is a ****ing pacifist, scorched earth and terror for terror is the solution.
I would be lying to you if I told you otherwhise. We had a training course about propaganda (where you twist reality), about "logic" and about psychology... Of course, if you ask the expert who teach, they would tell you that the objective is to train expert to detect propaganda and dismiss it... But if you know how to difuse a bomb, you know how to make a bomb... if you catch my drift.
Anyway, I'm conservative. You may think that I'm a extremist left winger... It's not the case. But I have a different culture. And I try to be open minded.
But my question Redneck is: "what If I was the one telling you the truth?"
You know, we did burn people who said that the earth wasnt flat... They were called heretics or like you said "bullsh1tters"...
Rorke, what you said is twisted mate. You cant push people like that. When you push them too far, they push back.
The problem with you guys, is that you are the kind to abuse violence...
You are jumping in a trap. Looks like the terrorists won their battle. They turned us into terrorists and criminals...
Of course, those you champion are shining examples as far as human rights are concerned. Others have their holy lands too, but of course only yours count. I trust you refer to YOUR corrupt governments. And of course when you attack the ranks of the foreigners, the ranks of the foreigners may attack back.
Tell us why those you champion swarm into western countries illegally, invasion by stealth, if they dislike us so much .
Those you champion are interested only in power, and your people are their pawns.
Del Boy, I know people who gave me the same speech you just gave me here. The only difference is the language.
Let's be logic for a second. We all know that the Arab countries are ruled by very corrupt governments. Just think of an exemple like Saudi Arabia. They dont respect human rights. They are a nest for terrorism and extremist ideology. And yet, we can see our presidents making speeches and kisses with Saudi princes and kings from time to time.
You know the difference between a Saudi and a Taleban? A degree in an university and a big account in some bank...
And yes, there is people who cross the borders illegaly. But why they do that? to run away from misery. What pushs you to think that they want to run from their culture?
Give them high salaries in their own countries and they will stay there. But they live in poor countries, so they try to leave. And you are an American, you should know much about the "pursuit of happiness" and the "american dream"...
They want a steak on their table and a big car... end of story.
You never worked for a boss you hated? You never followed a course with a teacher you didnt like? You never spent time with people you disliked because you were interested in their daughter?
It's life man. If you were a poor mexican, you would be trying to jump the border too.
If you were an African living in a hell hole, you will be risking your life to cross the sea and reach Europe.
Is it so hard to understand?
Let's be logic for a second. We all know that the Arab countries are ruled by very corrupt governments. Just think of an exemple like Saudi Arabia. They dont respect human rights. They are a nest for terrorism and extremist ideology. And yet, we can see our presidents making speeches and kisses with Saudi princes and kings from time to time.
You know the difference between a Saudi and a Taleban? A degree in an university and a big account in some bank...
And yes, there is people who cross the borders illegaly. But why they do that? to run away from misery. What pushs you to think that they want to run from their culture?
Give them high salaries in their own countries and they will stay there. But they live in poor countries, so they try to leave. And you are an American, you should know much about the "pursuit of happiness" and the "american dream"...
They want a steak on their table and a big car... end of story.
You never worked for a boss you hated? You never followed a course with a teacher you didnt like? You never spent time with people you disliked because you were interested in their daughter?
It's life man. If you were a poor mexican, you would be trying to jump the border too.
If you were an African living in a hell hole, you will be risking your life to cross the sea and reach Europe.
Is it so hard to understand?