Security team repels Pirates

Yep, that was nice. Interestingly, in Russia this story initiated a discussion whether the captured pirates should be transfered to Russia and brought to justice according to law. I agree that the pirates are not those people we should be too soft with. In fact i don't care how many pirates are being killed during those navy raids, but i believe those, who were not killed, should be arrested and judged.
 
A Can of Man said:
No. You guys are doing fine as it is.
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Well, my point is that they're saying they decided to release them because 'there were not sufficient legal grounds to detain them'. That's hypocricy, there IS sufficient legal ground for that. Russian penal code offers anyone a striking opportunity to be jailed for piracy (article 227, up to 15 years), kidnapping (article 126, up to 20 years) and many other things. On the other hand, it's much easier just to throw that scum away. But there is a chance that they will reach the coast and continue piracy.
 
Personally I think they could make the tag and release process a lot cheaper by removing the rubber boat from the equation, those that reach the shore will have a great career as Olympic swimmers and wont need to resort to piracy.

I am not a fan of jailing them as I can see no good reason for tax payers to support these people in prison.
 
Yeah.
Seems like rumor is flying around that the Russians decided to shoot the pirates and dump their bodies on a life raft.
 
Well, in Russia 750 people out of 100,000 are in jail. It's more than a million prisoners. I doubt taxpayers will lose smth because of a bunch of some kids from Africa. It would be the same as extradition, just without official request. There are a lot of foreign prisoners.

 
A Can of Man said:
Yeah.
Seems like rumor is flying around that the Russians decided to shoot the pirates and dump their bodies on a life raft.
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I really hope thats not just a rumor .That, seems like a good idea to me, Russia SHOULD shoot them, so should every body else's country's, we need to do like was done in the sailing ship days, hunt them down and kill them.
The Russian navy should be praised for shooting pirates.
 
I would hope it is a rumour as it is an incredible waste of a life raft otherwise.

By all means catch and shoot them but either dump them over board or better yet on the shore of the port they left as a warning.
 
Given that the warship arrived on station pretty quickly, that the crew had secured themselves in a safe room and disabled the engines, makes it seem that there was a free fire zone. I would not be surprised about the strong response, something the Russians have done before, just to let people know that you don't mess with "us" unless you like pain and suffering.

I'm sure that this has been done in recent history, but I seem to recall the rescue of a kidnapped KGB resident in Lebanon in the late eighties, which resulted in most of the kidnappers dieing, along strangely enough with some of their relatives! Suddenly there were no more Russians kidnapped.
 
Atasas said:
still a lot to do, but appears, that soon, direction as where it is heading to will change, so pirate backers left to be squeezed for better effect
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Nope, the exact opposite is true:

During 2010 the pirate threat, # of attacks, held hulls, hostages and - most important - the ransoms achieved have increased significantly, despite the efforts of all the security teams, ships (CTF-150, OP Atalanta) etc.

Point is, this does not get published so often as the number of successes in repelling attacks or taking back a ship by force.

This is not surprising, this is by now a true (and very profitable) industry with attractive growth rates and investment return rates(see below), and the big guys are trying to take a part in it.

Here the data:

- A total of 445 piracy cases were recorded in 2010, an 8.5 % increase from the year before (according to International Maritime Bureau)

- Pirates kidnapped 1,181 crew members in 2010, a 12.5 % jump from 2009 (according to International Maritime Bureau)

- Pirates seized 53 vessels worldwide in 2010, an increase of 10.1 % compared to 2009 (according to International Maritime Bureau)

- Ransoms paid to Somali pirates totaled $238 million in 2010 — the worst year for piracy on record, according to the International Chamber of Commerce.

- The average payout to ransom a hijacked ship was $5.4 million last year, up from just $150,000 in 2005. (Wired magazine analyzed the Somali pirate business model in 2009.)

- Extra cost for all involved (except the pirates, of course): Insuring ships passing near piracy-prone areas costs between $460 million and $3.2 billion. Naval presence to protect merchant shipping costs another $2 billion ($).

JAN 21, 2011 (data for the first 3 weeks of 2011), daily updated here:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/home/piracy-reporting-centre/piracynewsafigures

Incidents Reported for Somalia:
Total Incidents: 31
Total Hijackings: 6
Total Hostages : 136


Current vessels held by Somali pirates:
Vessels: 32
Hostages: 746


Dont let the (well received propaganda as one can see from this thread) reports of the successes fool you, the international community is losing this war against piracy. It now seems it can only be stopped if Somalia is put straight (and Nigeria, and, and, and...), and this would be a lot cheaper according to calculations.


Ressources:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/201...e-up-to-12-billion-worth-of-booty/#more-38910

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12214905

http://www.icc-ccs.org/home/piracy-reporting-centre/imb-live-piracy-map-2010/piracy-map-2010

http://www.icc-ccs.org/home/piracy-reporting-centre/piracynewsafigures

Rattler
 
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Shiite... only option then, every ship few reputable/armed soldiers to be escorts... with obvious complications
 
During The Pirates of the Carribean Era anyone found on a Pirate ship, other than those who could prove they were being held hostage was given an Admiralty trial & quick hanging. I suspect that would be more effective than what seems to happen with most now.
 
A Can of Man said:
No, you have got to be a f*cking idiot to go yachting in Somalia.
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Nobody goes yachting in Somalia. They just happen to be following an age-old maritime route to get from the Indian to the Atlantic Ocean. Unfortuantely, that route takes ships past the Horn of Africa in general, and Somalia in particular.
 
Spartan613 said:
Nobody goes yachting in Somalia. They just happen to be following an age-old maritime route to get from the Indian to the Atlantic Ocean. Unfortuantely, that route takes ships past the Horn of Africa in general, and Somalia in particular.
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You'd be surprised,.... several yachts have been captured already, although they are only targets of opportunity. They want something that will bring a really large ransom.
 
George said:
During The Pirates of the Carribean Era anyone found on a Pirate ship, other than those who could prove they were being held hostage was given an Admiralty trial & quick hanging. I suspect that would be more effective than what seems to happen with most now.
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Exactly although I just think sink em and sail away is the most cost effective method of dealing with the problem.

I also think insurance companies should stop insuring vessels sailing through the region and an enforced ban needs to be put on the payment of ransoms.
 
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