Security team repels Pirates

[Partisan]

We need to follow in Ethopia's footsteps and help rebuild the government and improve it's infrastructure and bring all those warlords out of their hidey holes and into the light of justice in the form of a 155mm artillery shell.

And the legacy is? This is exactly how we ended up with a lot of terrorist groups today. I'm not advocating peace at all costs, but let's be prepared for the long term results of our actions, because you kill my family and I'll come after you, whatever your race, religion or economic status - why do we think that anyone else in the world is different?

Perhaps a more measured approach using the billions spent in aid could yield better results, a bit more visibility on where and how the money is spent, who gets it etc, could create some jobs as well!

 

[George]

And the legacy is? This is exactly how we ended up with a lot of terrorist groups today. I'm not advocating peace at all costs, but let's be prepared for the long term results of our actions, because you kill my family and I'll come after you, whatever your race, religion or economic status - why do we think that anyone else in the world is different?

Perhaps a more measured approach using the billions spent in aid could yield better results, a bit more visibility on where and how the money is spent, who gets it etc, could create some jobs as well!

Billions in aid goes to Africa & Obama pledeged to double that. Most dissapears into the Kleptocracy.

 

[wolfen]

Pirates attack Frigate USS Nickolas, another oops!

THANK YOU GEORGE!!!!!!!
I was wondering when I'd see a post about that, I was gonna start a thread, but I had network problems here at my end and I couldn't find any sources .
But that post of yours PROVES my assumption that somali pirates are total idiots
And it should also clear up weather or not the pirates can capture a ship of war LOL

 

[George]

THANK YOU GEORGE!!!!!!!
I was wondering when I'd see a post about that, I was gonna start a thread, but I had network problems here at my end and I couldn't find any sources .
But that post of yours PROVES my assumption that somali pirates are total idiots
And it should also clear up weather or not the pirates can capture a ship of war LOL

Or @ least don't have NVGs.

 

[wolfen]

Or @ least don't have NVGs.

yea I was gonna say something else though LMAO

 

[Partisan]

Billions in aid goes to Africa & Obama pledeged to double that. Most dissapears into the Kleptocracy.

True, much as I don't agree with Obama, I'm not going to lay this one at his door. We in the West hav epumped billions into Africa, propping tired, corrupt regimes. Encouraging them to spend the money onpointless projects - fleets of vehicles with no spares and no support, hospitals without medicines and the list goes on. Why, becuase they are obligated to spend some of the aid in the country of origin - the original comapny store!! We haven't tried to improve the lot of the average African, only enriched those in power.

Still now that China is snapping up resources in Africa, maybe we'll wise up and try to get the people on our side - then again maybe not, after all we have a similar power elite looking out for number 1 as well.

 

[George]

Pirates attack USS Ashland, yet another oops!

 

[George]

Russian Special Forces retake Tanker.

 

[wolfen]

Now their attacking U.S.navy ships. I laugh my ass off every time I see that stuff on the news, then I cry when I see that they were captured and not killed.

Yall know the ones that are here in Norfolk are claiming innocent because they say they didn't know it was a Navy ship? How friggin stupid do they think we really are.

 

[Yossarian]

What do they think the U.S. Navy is shipping? Bout the only thing I can think of in their position is a big "THACK!!!" from the big stick.

 

[KV.]

Now their attacking U.S.navy ships. I laugh my ass off every time I see that stuff on the news, then I cry when I see that they were captured and not killed.

Yall know the ones that are here in Norfolk are claiming innocent because they say they didn't know it was a Navy ship? How friggin stupid do they think we really are.

I think all the forces involved in protecting the commercial/civilian sea traffic around the Horn of Africa are operating under very strict ROEs, due to the fact that they are operating in international waters, and when having to intervene, the pirates are likely to sail the ship into Somali national waters. Someone correct me if I am wrong ???

In the end when a ship is retaken by western forces - the pirates usually seem to surrender without firing a shot - I don't know about you, however dispising I find piracy, I'd hate even more to shoot an unarmed person in the process of surrendering. If they're shooting at me I don't have a doubt in my mind, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. As I recall the few times they actually have fired directly on a ship, be it civilian or military, they were pretty much blown out of the water, by the various escort ships.

The process post-arrest is more of a gray area - from what I have read (again - I don't have any personal experience on this subject) the pirates are often released after a short period of detainment. Since Somalia do not have government recognisable by Western democracies - we really don't have anyone to extradite the detainees to.
Then the question remaining is whether we are to process them ourselves? (thereby spending our money/space in prison etc.)
Not sure if there is a legal issue here aswell - anyone know ???



-KV.

 

[KJ]

Ethiopia are taking on some of the prisoners.

 

[George]

I think all the forces involved in protecting the commercial/civilian sea traffic around the Horn of Africa are operating under very strict ROEs, due to the fact that they are operating in international waters, and when having to intervene, the pirates are likely to sail the ship into Somali national waters. Someone correct me if I am wrong ???

In the end when a ship is retaken by western forces - the pirates usually seem to surrender without firing a shot - I don't know about you, however dispising I find piracy, I'd hate even more to shoot an unarmed person in the process of surrendering. If they're shooting at me I don't have a doubt in my mind, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. As I recall the few times they actually have fired directly on a ship, be it civilian or military, they were pretty much blown out of the water, by the various escort ships.

The process post-arrest is more of a gray area - from what I have read (again - I don't have any personal experience on this subject) the pirates are often released after a short period of detainment. Since Somalia do not have government recognisable by Western democracies - we really don't have anyone to extradite the detainees to.
Then the question remaining is whether we are to process them ourselves? (thereby spending our money/space in prison etc.)
Not sure if there is a legal issue here aswell - anyone know ???



-KV.

In the "old days" pirates were given an Admiralty Trial by the RN, or whoever captured them, & a quick hanging. Everyone on board was guilty unless they could prove they were being held for ransom.

 

[KV.]

In the "old days" pirates were given an Admiralty Trial by the RN, or whoever captured them, & a quick hanging. Everyone on board was guilty unless they could prove they were being held for ransom.

Sorry ... but what is your point then - "Back with the old days" ?

 

[wolfen]

In the end when a ship is retaken by western forces - the pirates usually seem to surrender without firing a shot - I don't know about you, however dispising I find piracy, I'd hate even more to shoot an unarmed person in the process of surrendering. If they're shooting at me I don't have a doubt in my mind, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. As I recall the few times they actually have fired directly on a ship, be it civilian or military, they were pretty much blown out of the water, by the various escort ships.



-KV.

I have to agree with you on that I don't think its right to shoot at an unarmed man, not even if he's trying to kill me, if he isn't holding a gun, neither am I, but they lose their chance when they don't sink them and kill them after they fire the first shot at a ship, NOW you have a bigger problem, liek eth ones here in Norfolk, they live here for free while they await trial, just more of my tax money going to waste, because somebody surrendered after firring upon a ship

 

[George]

Sorry ... but what is your point then - "Back with the old days" ?

Seems to be a lot of catch & release.

 

[wolfen]

Sorry ... but what is your point then - "Back with the old days" ?

I think what he means is the Pirate heydays when a pirate was captured he was tried and hung by the neck until dead, now days we just catch em and let em go, kinda like fishing, we catch em and let em go
Personally I say grab a rope and hold a trial.

 

[MontyB]

I declare the Russians the winners on this one...

'Freed pirates probably perished'
Ten suspected Somali pirates captured by the Russian navy last week may have perished after their release, a defence source in Moscow has told reporters.

Marines seized them during a dramatic operation to free a hijacked Russian oil tanker far from shore, killing an 11th suspect in the gun battle.

They were released in an inflatable boat without navigational equipment.

Within an hour, contact was lost with the boat's radio beacon, the defence source said.

"It seems that they all died," the unnamed source was quoted as saying by Russia's Interfax news agency.

Russia initially said the 10 pirates would be taken to Moscow to face criminal charges over the hijacking, but they were released instead because there were not sufficient legal grounds to detain them, the defence ministry in Moscow said.

The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, to which Russia is a signatory, gives sovereign nations the right to seize and prosecute pirates.

Western officials were very surprised when the Russian authorities dropped plans to put the pirates on trial in Moscow, the BBC's Richard Galpin reports from Moscow.

Now there is even more surprise the pirates were set adrift in the Indian Ocean to make their own way home, he adds.

Unknown factors

The tanker, the Moscow University, was seized on 5 May some 350km (190 nautical miles) off the Yemeni island of Socotra as it sailed for China, carrying crude oil worth $50m (£33m).

Marines from the Russian warship Marshal Shaposhnikov stormed the ship the following day, freeing the 23 Russian crew members who had locked themselves in a safe room after disabling their ship.

Cdr John Harbour, spokesman for the EU naval force in Somalia, Navfor, said the Russian navy had been within its rights to release the suspects.

It was, he told the BBC News website, impossible to judge their situation without knowing the details of the boat - described as an inflatable by Russian sources - and the radio beacon they had been given.

It was quite likely the Russian ship lost radar contact with the boat after an hour, Cdr Harbour said, while the signal from the beacon would depend on the strength of its battery and whether or not it could be detected by satellite.

The Navfor spokesman suggested the loss of navigational equipment would not necessarily be critical if there was an experienced mariner among the 10 men on the boat.

Stressing that nothing could be said for sure without knowledge of the boat, the weather and other factors, he noted that pirates had been known to operate up to 1,200 nautical miles (2,200km) from the Somali coast.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/8675978.stm

Published: 2010/05/11 18:37:46 GMT

© BBC MMX

 

[George]

I declare the Russians the winners on this one...

'Freed pirates probably perished'
Ten suspected Somali pirates captured by the Russian navy last week may have perished after their release, a defence source in Moscow has told reporters.

Marines seized them during a dramatic operation to free a hijacked Russian oil tanker far from shore, killing an 11th suspect in the gun battle.

They were released in an inflatable boat without navigational equipment.

Within an hour, contact was lost with the boat's radio beacon, the defence source said.

"It seems that they all died," the unnamed source was quoted as saying by Russia's Interfax news agency.

Russia initially said the 10 pirates would be taken to Moscow to face criminal charges over the hijacking, but they were released instead because there were not sufficient legal grounds to detain them, the defence ministry in Moscow said.

The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, to which Russia is a signatory, gives sovereign nations the right to seize and prosecute pirates.

Western officials were very surprised when the Russian authorities dropped plans to put the pirates on trial in Moscow, the BBC's Richard Galpin reports from Moscow.

Now there is even more surprise the pirates were set adrift in the Indian Ocean to make their own way home, he adds.

Unknown factors

The tanker, the Moscow University, was seized on 5 May some 350km (190 nautical miles) off the Yemeni island of Socotra as it sailed for China, carrying crude oil worth $50m (£33m).

Marines from the Russian warship Marshal Shaposhnikov stormed the ship the following day, freeing the 23 Russian crew members who had locked themselves in a safe room after disabling their ship.

Cdr John Harbour, spokesman for the EU naval force in Somalia, Navfor, said the Russian navy had been within its rights to release the suspects.

It was, he told the BBC News website, impossible to judge their situation without knowing the details of the boat - described as an inflatable by Russian sources - and the radio beacon they had been given.

It was quite likely the Russian ship lost radar contact with the boat after an hour, Cdr Harbour said, while the signal from the beacon would depend on the strength of its battery and whether or not it could be detected by satellite.

The Navfor spokesman suggested the loss of navigational equipment would not necessarily be critical if there was an experienced mariner among the 10 men on the boat.

Stressing that nothing could be said for sure without knowledge of the boat, the weather and other factors, he noted that pirates had been known to operate up to 1,200 nautical miles (2,200km) from the Somali coast.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/8675978.stm

Published: 2010/05/11 18:37:46 GMT

© BBC MMX

Think the boat might have suffered a slight leak?

 

[wolfen]

awwwwwww poor little Somali pirates, I hope the fish had a good meal.
WHISKEY for the Russians! And Beer for their horses.