Obama vs. Romney

[Yossarian]

Let's play this out Yo.

America goes against Isreal and lets Iran blow them off the face of the planet.

Now they want "death to America?"

Dangerous line you are walking there Yo.

Look, I don't want to be in anyone elses business either and I certainly don't want to pay for it and I know for a fact we are paying and being double crossed but you either stand for something or you don't.

PS...thanks for the links, I will take a look.

I completley disagree, I don't think you have a clear idea of how far Israeli influence is in our government, or how far they are willing to sway us into their wars.

Imagine your friends and family being sent to fight and die for a war Israel starts, Imagine very serious finacial reprocusions happening. We can't keep antagonizing Iran while doing the same thing to them.

Do you ever consider it's just a play for ulterior moves in the future? Setting the stage, AGAIN, if you will.

Remeber, we attacked them TWICE, how many times have they come to our doorstep and attacked us? Every day we push more to legitimizing in self defense their hostilites towards Israel.

As for Israel, I don't walk a line. I don't support them, nor do I support our goverments march towards chaos or Romney's plans to continue to aid them.

Each year we go on like this , more and more world resentment comes back to us. Less trust, less focus, and more threatening jestures towards the U.S. and our Interests.

Lest not forget, there are 7 billion people on Earth. And only 360 million of us.

That's why I think the "Your either with us or a Terrorist" mentality is backwards and insulting to any American.

We like to think that via armed strenght alone we can topple all obsticles, Every other Empire in history tried that at one point or another, and where are they today?

There are other ways to break this country than by armed force. We need to realize that our position in the world as inmediary is more important today than every. We need a governing body that can wake up and realize this.

Blindy backing Israel, buying the constant demonizing garbage about Iran without looking at what WE are doing isn't helping.

And about Romney?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJ-OK4jiSY&feature=player_detailpage"]Stewie`s law! - YouTube[/ame]

This pretty much sums up how I feel. Anyone who says " I don't like Israel", or says " Maybe we are wrong to strangle Iran's economy while claiming a self righteous position while continuing to once again threaten violence first" should be exiled. Then spun to look like a enemy of the state and suffer an complete career ending sabotage of their reputation.

"I am Mitt Romney, All Hail Israel, death to the nonbelievers"

 

[pixiedustboo]

he has dropped drones all over the middle east, he invaded Pakistan to get bin Laden

He got bin Laden. Seems like a fair deal to invade Pakistan to get the turd.

we have been attacked right here in the US under his watch, he goes around saying sorry for America like it is all our fault and we did something wrong in attempts to make friends

USAgirl we are attacking ourselves every day. We will still be doing it under Romney's watch. MEMO.

And guess what...Romney has done business all over the world for a very long time and is successful and his people working for him have not been raped and killed, his companies not burnt down

You can't have your employees raped and killed here in the USA when you bankrupt your companies or move jobs overseas.
i.e.) Romney closed over a thousand plants, stores and offices, and cut employee wages, benefits and pensions. He laid off American workers and outsourced their jobs to other countries. And he and his partners made hundreds of millions of dollars while taking companies to bankruptcy.

He is a serious business man and not a thug. Maybe he walks the talk and does not just talk?

Funny because I thought the leader of our country should be paying taxes as we all do? (I think everyone -conservatives as well- have pretty much figured out why he hides his money in the Islands and why he has offshort accounts and why we can't see the history of taxes that he has paid). Of course he doesn't walk the talk! If he talked the talk AND walked the walk he'd be split in half!

Romney is more interested in our financial stability than he is for war.

Partly right, he's certainly more interested in HIS financial stability than war.

We have huge gas prices, huge unemployment numbers, hugeeeeeeeeee diability claims, hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee welfare program, hugeeeeee debt, our housing market is still down, we have a divided country, we have insulted people that are our ally and the middle east is on fire just to name a few.

You can thank Bush.

 

[Yossarian]

I love this line from one of his campaign ads.

"Helping create jobs right here in America". What did you create Mr. Romney? A financial tracking committee of you and five or six of your buddies? Yep, I guess that qualifies you as a "job creator"

That's why I don't bother with anyone who throws out the term "creates jobs".

For all we know they could have "created" a half dozen jobs.

Or just a circle of likewise involved individuals from Mr. Romney's esteemed business experience with Bain Capital?

So what do these jobs he created do? They meet on Tuesdays in the Cayman Islands and have fun counting the money they secure in foreign currency overseas? I don't think he is going to pull out a sash of Euros from his accounts in Switzerland to prop up public works here in the U.S. anytime soon.

Sounds like a savvy business man to me.

I am not calling Obama morally superior, but with all the eyes on him, I doubt he would start to do such a practice.

Also for his Pakistan raid, kudos for not dragging us into a war there. I feel it was very well handled on his part. Despite my disagreances of his policies.

 

[George]

ps..I don't know how to use the multi reply set, sorry people.

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[pixiedustboo]

So every child in adoption should have been terminated by the mother? No one can possible love that child or want it?

I did not say that. If a woman DOES NOT WANT her child and DOES NOT CARE to bring her child into this world than just to bring in life with no thought of the future...that is irresponsible.

So first we kill those babies with govt money and then we go and kill old people who sit in old folks homes with drool and poo pants so their wife and children don't have to be sad and we don't bare the cost? But let's house, feed, educate and give a sex change to a killer in jail for life? Wow! What a society.

It depends on the life of those old people. If they are still getting joy, still talking, you see a spark of life in them...of course I would not say to destroy that. I watched my gramma starve to death with stage IV cancer. When she first came home with hospice care everything was okay. She had rough moments, but she was with us fully mentally. Near the end she was in a coma, and the only thing that kept me going was hoping that she was not feeling pain of hunger and that her spirit was gone already. Right before she went into a coma she wanted to eat, but every time she did she got so sick she would throw up. Her body, when she died, looked like a Nazi camp victim. To this day thinking about it brings me to tears. We do not starve our dogs to death. We need to have a goverment in place that if a terminally ill adult wills it they may be let go peacefully. I don't know if that would have been her choice in the end but I loved her so much I would have done anything to take away her pain. My grandpa by this time was in the last stages of alzhimers and when he had one second of clarity he would tell us, "I'm so confused, I'm so confused, where is Mother?" It kills you to watch someone you love so much in so much pain, but until the end he did have moments of joy and love and he knew who we were most of the time. I would never say to end someone's life in that instance.


As for the prisoners issues...you are not talking to the normal "liberal" here. I'm of a mind that all on death row should have a bullet put in their heads, we need to clean out the prisons of light offence drug users and we need to keep sexual offenders in prison for A LOT LONGER. (And as for child sexual offenders we need to put them down, there has been multiple studies shown they cannot be helped long term).

the law for abusive abortions often late term and multiple is OK? Is OK to have a law to force a company and all tax payers to have to pay the cost for abortions or birth control?

Romney and Ryan are pretty clear they support a womans choice and the right of a baby, not one over the other.

Lets see, would you rather have a government that paid for abortions or a government that paid for birth control?

Late term aborition is never "needed" as a medical life-saving producure. It is murder pure and simple when the baby could substain life outside the womb. (I am not saying within the womb it is just a fetus either, I am a mother and I have felt my baby kick. My baby has been a "person" to me always, but to other women bearing a child, a rapist's child, it may be different).

Do not kid yourself on where Romney/Ryan stands. Ryan was among the 62 representatives sponsoring the bill, introduced in January of last year and declaring that "life begins with fertilization." The bill defines life as beginning at conception and give states the right to ban all abortions, including in instances of rape and incest.

 

[USAgirl]

I agree with you. It's disgusting they make money killing babies for the women that are too lazy or too stupid to practice safe sex.

That being said, abortion is NEEDED. Plan B is NEEDED. Both Romeny and Ryan have verbally upheld (and in some cases voted for) extremely pro-life laws.

Extremism either way is cruel.







I will concede that perhaps couseling needs to be manadtory. Maybe these women will have a change of heart, maybe not. In the end it still needs to be their choice.

Bringing a child into this world that is unwanted and unloved when so many that are already here and that need loving homes is not a responsible act. If the mother feels in her heart adoption is the way to go then I support it, but again, it needs to be her choice.

Yes there is no doubt in my mind there are adults out there that have been raised with little to no love in their childhood and they have turned out to be good people who do good things. The point I am trying to make is that this should be the mother's choice and that choice should never be taken from her and put into the hands of the government.




I'm happy for the women that can devote their lives to a severely handicapped child. Some women cannot or do not wish to. Again, this is not your decision or the decision of the government.

What if they cannot communicate? How do you know then? (I'm not saying I know either). A child that sits with no expression drooling for their entire life.... If a woman KNOWS her child will be born with severe defects and may not even survive pregnancy that is her choice. Sometimes death is an act of love.




One can say the same thing to the lives that are saved because of medical intervention.




Yes, yes, it has been questioned. Todd Akin? Paul Ryan? Mitt-Freaking-Romney? a). And even then, Ryan supported a bill that allowed anti-abortion hospitals to refuse emergency abortions. b.) Following is Governor Mitt Romney's message informing the Legislature that he vetoed the emergency contraception bill. To those who believe that life begins at conception, the morning-after pill can destroy the human life that was created at the moment of fertilization.

Of course I do not think all women who have been raped, who are in danger or who have an ill child in their womb have chosen to abort it! All I am saying is that it needs to be the woman's choice. Not a "law."





It IS the issue when the potential leaders of the country have a voting record of extreme pro-life stances.

I completley disagree, I don't think you have a clear idea of how far Israeli influence is in our government, or how far they are willing to sway us into their wars.

Imagine your friends and family being sent to fight and die for a war Israel starts, Imagine very serious finacial reprocusions happening. We can't keep antagonizing Iran while doing the same thing to them.

Do you ever consider it's just a play for ulterior moves in the future? Setting the stage, AGAIN, if you will.

Remeber, we attacked them TWICE, how many times have they come to our doorstep and attacked us? Every day we push more to legitimizing in self defense their hostilites towards Israel.

As for Israel, I don't walk a line. I don't support them, nor do I support our goverments march towards chaos or Romney's plans to continue to aid them.

Each year we go on like this , more and more world resentment comes back to us. Less trust, less focus, and more threatening jestures towards the U.S. and our Interests.

Lest not forget, there are 7 billion people on Earth. And only 360 million of us.

That's why I think the "Your either with us or a Terrorist" mentality is backwards and insulting to any American.

We like to think that via armed strenght alone we can topple all obsticles, Every other Empire in history tried that at one point or another, and where are they today?

There are other ways to break this country than by armed force. We need to realize that our position in the world as inmediary is more important today than every. We need a governing body that can wake up and realize this.

Blindy backing Israel, buying the constant demonizing garbage about Iran without looking at what WE are doing isn't helping.

And about Romney?

Stewie`s law! - YouTube

This pretty much sums up how I feel. Anyone who says " I don't like Israel", or says " Maybe we are wrong to strangle Iran's economy while claiming a self righteous position while continuing to once again threaten violence first" should be exiled. Then spun to look like a enemy of the state and suffer an complete career ending sabotage of their reputation.

"I am Mitt Romney, All Hail Israel, death to the nonbelievers"

You basically follow the Ron Paul school of thought Yo?

Even Pres Obama has come out in support of Isreal and America's relationship with them.

And even Pres Obama and sec Clinton are putting pressure on Iran and are worried about their nuclear abilities.

Isreal isn't the one saying they want to wipe anyone off the face of the earth.

 

[USAgirl]

He got bin Laden. Seems like a fair deal to invade Pakistan to get the turd.

The SEAls got bin Laden, he made the call to send them in to Pakistan





USAgirl we are attacking ourselves every day. We will still be doing it under Romney's watch. MEMO.

If you know anything about business, you know that some are managed badly and some will not survive. Bain tries to save and build strong companies to give profit to investors. The companies that Bain was not able to save would have gone under anyway, if anything, Bain might have bought them a little more time. Stronger companies mean more jobs.



You can't have your employees raped and killed here in the USA when you bankrupt your companies or move jobs overseas.
i.e.) Romney closed over a thousand plants, stores and offices, and cut employee wages, benefits and pensions. He laid off American workers and outsourced their jobs to other countries. And he and his partners made hundreds of millions of dollars while taking companies to bankruptcy.


Frigging GE moved plants over seas. The way our govt regulates American companies you can't compete globally. GE is a huge financial contributor to Pres Obama and in return recieved govt waivers and contracts.




Funny because I thought the leader of our country should be paying taxes as we all do? (I think everyone -conservatives as well- have pretty much figured out why he hides his money in the Islands and why he has offshort accounts and why we can't see the history of taxes that he has paid). Of course he doesn't walk the talk! If he talked the talk AND walked the walk he'd be split in half!

Romney has paid all his taxes as the laws are set up now. He does not " hide" anything, I mean really, anyone who thinks having an account in another country is watching too much MSNBC and has never lived in another country nor have they tried to start a company in another country.

You think the Kennedy family does not have investments in another country? You think Oprah does not have money in other countries?

Let's talk about how much money Pres Obama has, what he gives to charity,how he paid for that home in Chicago, how he is a millionair as a communnity organizer, how he could afford Harvard with bad grades, where do I sign up for that scholarship? Let's talk how the Kennedy Klan made their money, let's talk how Soros made his money and where he keeps is all, let's talk about how Buffet is in court for his taxes etc etc




Partly right, he's certainly more interested in HIS financial stability than war.

We should all be interested in financial stability and not jealous of people who work hard and do well.




You can thank Bush.

Thank Bush? For having to deal with bin Laden because Pres Clinton didn't do his job? For keeping us safe after 9/11? Unlike Pres Obama has been able to do.

 

[Yossarian]

Isreal isn't the one saying they want to wipe anyone off the face of the earth.

No Israel is the only one doing that. Look at a map of Gaza and the West bank and how it has shrunk over and over since 1967.

Who has Iran invaded in the past 50 years?

I am not sympathizing just trying to point our the obvious flaw in our higher morality stance.

And admit we attack Iran twice. We invaded their neighbors, and have encircled them.

We strangle their economy and again threaten force. Admit this, and now see why there is a timer counting down before our politicians sit down with their Israeli counter parts and in some respects political masters and make you feel like Iran is the cause of the entire Region's problems.

It's like we are reading a script to be honest, and just pushing for more and more reason to start the killing.

You like danger? Then hurry up and vote it into office.

Also, check your Senatorial taps as well, heard many in the Senate love having long conversations with Tel Av iv late at night as well.

 

[USAgirl]

I love this line from one of his campaign ads.

"Helping create jobs right here in America". What did you create Mr. Romney? A financial tracking committee of you and five or six of your buddies? Yep, I guess that qualifies you as a "job creator"

That's why I don't bother with anyone who throws out the term "creates jobs".

For all we know they could have "created" a half dozen jobs.

Or just a circle of likewise involved individuals from Mr. Romney's esteemed business experience with Bain Capital?

So what do these jobs he created do? They meet on Tuesdays in the Cayman Islands and have fun counting the money they secure in foreign currency overseas? I don't think he is going to pull out a sash of Euros from his accounts in Switzerland to prop up public works here in the U.S. anytime soon.

Sounds like a savvy business man to me.

I am not calling Obama morally superior, but with all the eyes on him, I doubt he would start to do such a practice.

Also for his Pakistan raid, kudos for not dragging us into a war there. I feel it was very well handled on his part. Despite my disagreances of his policies.

Yo, honestly, I mean really, business 101 for goodness sake.

Bain invest in companies that were able to expand, hire more people, expand business which means buy more real estate, which means a realtor gets paid, which means a building to sell from, which means construction gets a job, make the products, lights, air, water, money money money jobs jobs jobs, taking the product to market, the truck driver gets paid and so on and so on

people give their money to Bain to invest in companies and they hope the company does well so they get a return on investment.

Now let's look a Obama's business plan...

Let's take more money from American tax payers, give it to Solyndra who goes under, loss for the American tax payer.

Let's take the American tax dollars and give it to GM and force a volt to be made and it bombs

Let's run up the debt to 16 trillion and borrow more money from China and print more money.

Let's print more money to prop up real estate market and then when you stop propping it up it crashes.

Let's take Boeing in South Carolina to court stop them from opening a business and hiring people in South Carolina because it is not a union state.

Let's mess with Apple the one product we are doing well with in America, even Steve Jobs came out and said Pres Obama needs to back off.

 

[USAgirl]

OK, each post that you want to quote from click on "Multiple" at the bottom of the box, then repeat each box that you are quoting. When you want to post the multiple quotes go all the way to the top or bottom of the page where "Reply" is in a box by itself. Click on it.

thanks George.

 

[George]

Obama killed Osama! linky

 

[hawky94]

Obama, hands down. He's the best thing to happen to the country since... oh I don't know... JFK and Dr. Martin Luther King?

Romney... on the other hand... ignorant... and ignorance isn't something you want in a President. Unfortunately, you've already had that experience with Bush, what a disaster h was.

Obama all the way. If only he had the power within the Senate to do what he wants...

 

[George]

Obama, hands down. He's the best thing to happen to the country since... oh I don't know... JFK and Dr. Martin Luther King?

Romney... on the other hand... ignorant... and ignorance isn't something you want in a President. Unfortunately, you've already had that experience with Bush, what a disaster h was.

Obama all the way. If only he had the power within the Senate to do what he wants...

Who is Ignorant??? The Democrats controll the Senate & Harry Ried refuses to move on most things passed by the House. Should be noted that the House & Senate rejected Obama's latest budget unanimously. What no praise for Bill Clinton? You slipping? JFK, other than proving tax cuts work, didn't get much done during his short Term except get us into Vietnam.

 

[hawky94]

Romney is whom I was referring to, my apologies for not making that clear.

And I forgot to include Clinton, again, my apologies.

Here's a theoretical question for everyone: What if the Presidency of the United States was a life-peerage?

 

[USAgirl]

Obama, hands down. He's the best thing to happen to the country since... oh I don't know... JFK and Dr. Martin Luther King?

Romney... on the other hand... ignorant... and ignorance isn't something you want in a President. Unfortunately, you've already had that experience with Bush, what a disaster h was.

Obama all the way. If only he had the power within the Senate to do what he wants...

He had the power of the senate and house for two years and it is why we are in this financial mess Hawk.

And I know many snow birds that come where I live in the US and they tell me we will be sorry if we follow your lead with healthcare. They say your healthcare is terrible and breaking your financially but once it is in, you can't get it out. All the snow birds here get serious medical care in the US.

Romney is calm cool and collected, you can't bait him. He is a financial guy and that is what we need right now to dig ourself out of this financial mess.

If Pres Obamas plan would have worked, I would say vote him back in like we did Clinton and Bush, but they have not, he basically is another Carter and that didn't work either so he has to go. If Romeny does not get us out then he will go too.

 

[USAgirl]

Who is Ignorant??? The Democrats controll the Senate & Harry Ried refuses to move on most things passed by the House. Should be noted that the House & Senate rejected Obama's latest budget unanimously. What no praise for Bill Clinton? You slipping? JFK, other than proving tax cuts work, didn't get much done during his short Term except get us into Vietnam.

JFK was the first one to rob our social security funds, yes? The funds that wont be there for my generation?

Wasn't it JFK that took us to Vietnam and LBJ who followed through with that? So, any war a Dem starts is worth paying for?

 

[pixiedustboo]

Romney is calm cool and collected, you can't bait him. He is a financial guy and that is what we need right now to dig ourself out of this financial mess.

Of COURSE Romney is cool and collected and un-baitable!!! You can't hold together a liar face if you are going crazy every other sentence.

Romney is a sneak. Financially, morally, etc.

I hate sneaks.

 

[Yossarian]

Of COURSE Romney is cool and collected and un-baitable!!! You can't hold together a liar face if you are going crazy every other sentence.

Romney is a sneak. Financially, morally, etc.

I hate sneaks.

I guess I won't try to sneak anything by you. :-D

 

[USAgirl]

Of COURSE Romney is cool and collected and un-baitable!!! You can't hold together a liar face if you are going crazy every other sentence.

Romney is a sneak. Financially, morally, etc.

I hate sneaks.

private and sneak are two different things.

he is a very humble guy, family man, five boys and 18 grandchildren, elder in his church, his wife survived ms and breast cancer and he has been a Gov of a state, public life, which you can more than look at his record. Almost everything he has been involved with has been a financial success. he is human and has made mistakes, who hasn't?


the left can't dig anything up on this guy because there is nothing to dig up.

he has a lot of money, big deal,, so does Pres Obama, so does Soros, so do the Kennedy's, so does Gor, so does Kerry, so does Clinton etc etc

If I could personally give my money to Pres Obama or Romney to invest for me for my retirement it would be Romney hands down.

Pres Obama might be fun to have at a dinner party, cocktail party or concert but I would not want him handling my financial matters.

And what are the issues that Americans face right now?

We are in debt. 16 trillion to be exact. It has double since Pres Obama has been in office. We spend more than we have and Pres Obama wants to print more.

We have high gas prices and high food cost

We have huge unemployment, no job creation.

Our student fees are the highest ever. It is not enough to lower the cost for tuition, you have to have a job when you get out of school so you can pay your student loansn off and pay for your own healthcare, social security, rent, car, have children etc etc You need a job!

Teachers making more than a nurse, highest teachers salaries ever in Chicago are on strike for a week. They make $75,000 a year and want more, thank you unions, they don't want any accountability, so pay more for poor results at our childrens cost. We rank low in the world for education

I pay more for healthcare and get less. I am forced on generic, waits are longer, hospital stays less.

People have been unemployed so long they don't even look for work, they go on disability now and the system is drained.

Our housing market is in the tank. Thank you Carter and Clinton for pushing through Dodd Frank and giving loans to people who could not afford them.

Pres Obama was suppose to be that great healer and we are more divided than ever.

The world was suppose to respect us with Pres Obama running around saying America was bad and he was sorry.....not looking very warm and fuzzy around the world in here.

He is a nice guy but to try and make Romney as some evil "sneak" to justify keeping Pres Obama is wrong.

 

[pixiedustboo]

Yossarian, good plan. :rambo:

USAgirl, did you even look at the link? I'm not just pulling this out of my Mary Poppins carpet bag.

It took YEARS to get into this mess and it is going to take YEARS to get out of it.

Thank Bush? For having to deal with bin Laden because Pres Clinton didn't do his job? For keeping us safe after 9/11? Unlike Pres Obama has been able to do.

Embassy attacks under Bush.


In case you don't care to check the link, here it is;

twelve terrorist attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities abroad during George W. Bush’s tenure — the most of any president in history

p.s I don't think Bush was a bad man. I just think everything was overwhelming and perhaps he wasn't ready to handle it. Then again, is anyone really ready to handle leading a country to war? It is done and we reflect. Some of the other issues though, he walked into with open eyes.