Obama on insurance companies

There is a site available where people can find out how their state leader voted on a issue. Sorry I can't recall the name but there is a site. The White House is also on Twitter n they invite comments too. I follow them. :)
 
Screw that. I'm going for the tyranny approach and fill myself with riches as the populace suffer from malnutrition and occasional random gunshot wounds to the back of the head!
Everyone gets free healthcare. The catch is that you become bayonet practice.
 
*rolls eyes* Yes... We are so close to a dictatorship it's not even funny... Give me a break... You can disagree with his ideals, but we're not even CLOSE to countries like North Korea, China, Cuba, etc... 5.56 can tell you how much better America is than Cuba... He does it all the time.
 
Everybody talks about the govt health care, well I found this on the internet, and I remember when Ronald Regan made this speech, so I know its not made up. this is what really scares me about Obamacare, turns out this is what Obama wants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FzNTB1qtFA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IQJjtU339I&feature=related

this was back when I was yall's age, Obama wasn't even in America yet

Do I want national health care? I'd rather die. I had free health care once for 20 years, maybe thats why they call it a medical retirement?
 
So basically you're alright with having a system where if a major accident befell you or someone close to you and the hospital had to charge you a fortune and the insurance company managed to win the legal battle in either not paying for your hospital fee or paying a very small portion of it, you'd be completely broke, your retirement gone straight to the can and God knows what else?
If so, I have nothing to say.
 
No I don't want that either, what I want is FAIR charges for fair treatment, if I go to the doctor and he has no idea whats wrong with me, why do I still have to pay? What I want is for insurance companies to stop bleeding me dry and I get nothing in return except another $40 trip to a specialist every time one doctor is clueless, I want to know why it costs me $55 when they stick the needle in ME, they should pay me for that.
I think the charges should be fair, and not make one person rich while the rest of us die cause we can't afford care. But at he same time I dealt with the govt for 20 years, and I'm scared as hell cause I know the govt health care will be fubar in 6 months.
Plus it wil bankrupt teh nation in a few years, unless they print more money, which will make money worthless, causeing pruices to go even higher than they already are.
 
Our money is already worthless.... The exchange rate from dollars to pounds is ALMOST double. I gave $200 in traveler's cheques, and got back 114 British pounds... And the Euro isn't far behind.


But that's slightly off the topic...

Wolfen... What do you think about the option I've been advocating? Not completely free government healthcare, but a government alternative to private insurance companies... People would still have to pay, but it wouldn't be as expensive as private insurance... It would force private insurers to lower their prices in order to keep their business.
 
On a practical basis it sounds reasonable for the Govt to establish an insurance that covers catastrophic insurance to keep people out of bankruptcy. However....the Govt would have to charge enough to @ least break even or be subsidized with Tax money. I don't think it's right that the Govt can take my money to help pay for someone else's desease just because they didn't have insurance. Of course that is happening anyway where everyone has to be treated even if they can't pay.
 
Rob Henderson said:
Our money is already worthless.... The exchange rate from dollars to pounds is ALMOST double. I gave $200 in traveler's cheques, and got back 114 British pounds... And the Euro isn't far behind.


But that's slightly off the topic...

Wolfen... What do you think about the option I've been advocating? Not completely free government health care, but a government alternative to private insurance companies... People would still have to pay, but it wouldn't be as expensive as private insurance... It would force private insurers to lower their prices in order to keep their business.
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That might work as long as the govt did what it was supposed to do and not become a plan full or earmarks, benchmarks, or new tax hikes to everybody built in.
I'd still prefer to keep my private insurance as of this year and next year, and NOT be forced to use Govt health care at all. Any time the govt gets involved theres a chance (however small) that another piece of this Nation could slip into socialism, which to me is a totally unacceptable.
I'd liove to be able to come on here in 5 years and say "hey I was wrong this govt health care is great" , but right now I don't see that happening.
 
Wolfen, the half-half system or variations of it is the system that many countries follow.
Here a the vast majority of the hospitals are actually private but the basic insurance is government. It helps lower the price for me, the average Joe but it's not free either. I am against a free health care system as well. Like you said, it's too expensive for the state and as I said, it clogs the system with too many people who show up for just about anything.
Of course if I wanted additional insurance I can get private insurance too. Most folks do live with a combination of both for additional coverage and most insurance will be around $10 to $50 depending on what you get.
So operations are run by the hospital but the government helps keep the costs down for the regular folks.

Plus you shouldn't be entirely "afraid" of "socialism."
Experience is showing that a combination of both is a lot healthier for societies. Socialism in its pure for just never works and a completely free market is simply anarchy. I believe a combination of both but leaning more towards the side of free markets is the best deal. After all a country should have *some* level of organization. Complete freedom means it's going to be a massive free for all and usually how it ends is there's just a whole lot of dead people.
 
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wolfen said:
That might work as long as the govt did what it was supposed to do and not become a plan full or earmarks, benchmarks, or new tax hikes to everybody built in.
I'd still prefer to keep my private insurance as of this year and next year, and NOT be forced to use Govt health care at all. Any time the govt gets involved theres a chance (however small) that another piece of this Nation could slip into socialism, which to me is a totally unacceptable.
I'd liove to be able to come on here in 5 years and say "hey I was wrong this govt health care is great" , but right now I don't see that happening.
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You wouldn't HAVE to use government health care... It would simply be an alternative to private insurance for those who cannot afford it.

+1 Redneck.
 
13th the only problem with a half-half in this country is that there are too many people who would corrupt the run Govt half if they get anywhere near it, govt, oversight or not. And right now the US can't afford to pay any more than we have to, especially once the current administration gets done spending my grandchildren's budget. If Obamacare actually works liek he wanted it to when he was running for president, then it will be a godsend for a lot of people, but if it becomes like everything else it'll be just another empty money bag. It could go either way. I just have a gut feeling its going to end badly.


Rob I see no alternative in it at all, the city I work for here has already considered how much money they'd save if they could stop carrying health insurance for the workers and every city employee went on the free govt health care. without teh city paying the part they currently pay, the only people in eth city that could afford outside insurance, are the ones who got raises this year while the rest of us are on a raise freeze (supposedly city wide btw)
 
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I did only read the last part of the thread, so feel free to bash me, but I only wanted to comment on the last post:

The half-half (acutally 80/20 public/private) system we run here (Spain) includes a mandatory payment (half/half) for every employee from employer as well as from employee into the system (and myself, as self-employed has also to pay some 150 a month into it, which on a 15 year scheduled min input I do not find excessive given that it will pay my probable prostate cancer operation 20 yrs later at 40.000), so the city you are citing would not make any profit over here by trying to shift employees.

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Rob I see no alternative in it at all, the city I work for here has already considered how much money they'd save if they could stop carrying health insurance for the workers and every city employee went on the free govt health care. without teh city paying the part they currently pay, the only people in eth city that could afford outside insurance, are the ones who got raises this year while the rest of us are on a raise freeze (supposedly city wide btw)
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Again... It wouldn't be completely free... There would still be money involved... Just not as much, and it would be VERY basic coverage... Only for big operations and treatments.
 
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