New Zealand: Weapons raids, arrests (AP)

Oh good grief a conspiracy theorist.

Careful though the government could be watching you think that black SUV across the road is there by chance?

Let them watch..... I do nothing illegal. As for the Black SUV. Not really under cover.... I'd expect something I wouldn't expect. I know all of the automobiles on my Block. I live on a dead end road. ....

Anyways, you asked what reason could I give you to explain civilians having Molotov Cocktails. I did.... you don't like the answer that's your problem.
 
Let them watch..... I do nothing illegal. As for the Black SUV. Not really under cover.... I'd expect something I wouldn't expect. I know all of the automobiles on my Block. I live on a dead end road. ....

Anyways, you asked what reason could I give you to explain civilians having Molotov Cocktails. I did.... you don't like the answer that's your problem.


Why am I left with the feeling that you went out and looked before posting though.

Once again I think you have failed to understand one small part of the New Zealand psyche, we don't fear our government because oddly enough they are not our enemy they are just bureaucrats we elect every few years and then get rid of once their comedic value has gone.
 
I don't fear my government.... A Government should fear it's people, not the other way around.

I think what you don't understand about the American psyche is that we are a nation of people that have overthrown or fled oppressive governments. We're used to keeping an eye on our government and preventing a despotic one from forming.

New Zealand never really fought for her independence like the United States of America did or like many other nations of who's people come and immigrate to the United States of America to live in.
 
Those that have been stripped of their rights. Their government has restricted their access to firearms for self defense against an unjust government. If you cannot gain access to a pistol, rifle, shotgun, tank, or rocket launcher. And you must still fight and defend your life, family, and freedoms. I expect you to use a Molotov Cocktail or even a sharpen stick.

They are not defending anything tho they are just rioting and breaking the laws.

They have everything and they still want more.
 
They are not defending anything tho they are just rioting and breaking the laws.

They have everything and they still want more.

Dude!!!! That's like me saying that the United States of America should return to a system of slavery. Or that maybe we should go back to a system of exterminating the Indians.

That is not cool..... not at all.

The Maori people have suffered just as much as every other group of people under European colonialism. I'm not for being PC and saying that I should be sorry for what my great, great, great, grand father did but what you just said isn't cool.
 
you are so desperately out of touch with todays NZ that it hurts my eyes to read you hate filled comments

Well you can stop reading them.

Dude!!!! That's like me saying that the United States of America should return to a system of slavery. Or that maybe we should go back to a system of exterminating the Indians.

That is not cool..... not at all.

The Maori people have suffered just as much as every other group of people under European colonialism. I'm not for being PC and saying that I should be sorry for what my great, great, great, grand father did but what you just said isn't cool.

One, I aint a Dude, i don't have a twig and berries.

Two, What have they suffered with? Did they get killed off by the "white man" NOOOO.

Were they enslaved and forced to work in a salt mine.......arrhha NOOOO!

What! What has happened to them????

Bloody nothing.


They SOLD land !

They got Rum and beads, education, health system, money, housing, clothes..........

A standard of living.

And when they were never owners of the land in the first place.

Oh yeah see how they are hard done by.
 
i think you need to have a read of your birth country's history


try the NZ land wars



anyway, can we get back to the original topic
 
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What wars? Like these Terrorist ones in New Zealand.

They were arrested because they are Guilty
 
They SOLD land !

They got Rum and beads, education, health system, money, housing, clothes..........

When did they sell their land for, I'm guessing, Rum and Beads?
History has shown that those not willing to sell land and move on to make way for Invading Europeans were killed outright.
 
What wars?


like i said, the New Zealand land wars
In the first three wars Māori fought the British to a standstill each time. They had no wish to beat the British settlers or to drive them from New Zealand[citation needed]. From the engagements emerged an understanding: English law prevailed in the townships and settlements, and Māori law and customs elsewhere. There followed a period of relative peace and economic cooperation from 1848 to 1860.
During this time European settlement accelerated and in about 1859 the number of Pākehā came to equal the number of Māori, at around 60,000 each[citation needed]. By now Pākehā had largely forgotten the painful lessons of the earlier conflicts. They tried to use military might to push through a very dubious land sale that one of their own courts later repudiated. The result was the First Taranaki War. Once again the local British forces were more than evenly matched by Māori[citation needed], and after twelve months both sides were happy to settle for a draw.
However this was clearly just a preliminary. The British settlers were not prepared to countenance Māori controlling and ruling most of the North Island. War broke out again in 1863 with the Invasion of the Waikato. The Waikato War, including the Tauranga Campaign, was the biggest of all the New Zealand Wars. The outcome of this war was the major confiscation of Māori land, which quickly provoked the Second Taranaki War. By the mid 1860s the conflict had forced the closing of all the native schools.
The period from the second half of 1864 until early 1868 was relatively quiet. Possibly the most notorious incident during this time was the murder of the missionary Carl Volkner. There were also two serious intra-tribal conflicts, civil wars in Māori tribes, between adherents and non-adherents of the Pai Marire or Hau Hau sect—a vehemently anti-Pākehā religious group which was intent upon destabilizing the developing cooperation between the Māori and Pākehā. These are sometimes known as the East Cape War, but that label oversimplifies a complicated series of conflicts.
Large areas of land were confiscated from Māori by the government, under the New Zealand Settlements Act in 1863, supposedly as punishment for rebellion. [1] In reality, land was confiscated from both "loyal" and "rebel" tribes alike. More than four million acres (16,000 km²) of land in total was confiscated. Although about half of this was subsequently paid for or returned to Māori, it was often not returned to its original owners. [2] The confiscations had a lasting impact on the social and economic development of the tribes affected.
The legacy of the New Zealand Wars continues, but these days the battles are mostly fought in courtrooms and around the negotiation table. Numerous reports by the Waitangi Tribunal have criticised Crown actions during the wars, and in one instance, found that Māori too had breached the Treaty. [3]
The Crown has conceded that aspects of the warfare and confiscation breached the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and apologised for its actions in relation to Waikato TainuiTaranaki and Bay of Plenty tribes, as part of negotiated settlements of these tribes' historical claims (Treaty of Waitangi claims and settlements). [4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_land_wars
 
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Lets not forget land such as the old Raglan golf course that was commandeered by the government during WW2 and then sold off when no longer needed.
 

What about it?

I am surpised you haven't got the pic of Honi cutting the flag pole down :wink:

LMAO.


When did they sell their land for, I'm guessing, Rum and Beads?
and Guns, they were not stupid. And BTW Whites never invaded New Zealand they were welcomed.

History has shown that those not willing to sell land and move on to make way for Invading Europeans were killed outright.
Thats right the moari tribes killed their own people off from other tribes to steal land rights to sell.

If anything Moaris need to be giving it back to the real owners the Moriori, which the moaris have choosen to try and wipe out of the history books.

Moriori's are the Natives and sole owners of New Zealand. A very peace lot that were killed off by the Moaris and their land and culture stolen.

Maoris are Polynesian people originating from south-east Asia, they are NOT natives.
 
and Guns, they were not stupid. And BTW Whites never invaded New Zealand they were welcomed.

Word is the Pilgrims were welcomed by the Indigs here, and everyone lived happily ever after in the North East. However, factual history, instead of mythology, has shown this to be a falsehood.

I wasn't around back then, likewise, I was not around when the Indigs of what is now New Zealand were first meeting the White Man, I'm told History is written by the Victors though.
 
The world was a vastly different place several hundred years ago and the attitudes and expectations of people were very different to those of today. Colonisation and the resultant displacement and sometimes murder of native people was an accepted practice. If anyone knows how to change the past please get in touch with me, we'll make a fortune.

We can't change the past so let's get on with improving the future and trying (where possible) to make amends for the injustices of the past.

It's a bit like the guy who was recently released after serving 18 years for a violent rape, DNA evidence finally cleared him. We will never be able to give that part of his life back to him, all that can be done is to try and make amends.
 
Word is the Pilgrims were welcomed by the Indigs here, and everyone lived happily ever after in the North East. However, factual history, instead of mythology, has shown this to be a falsehood.

I wasn't around back then, likewise, I was not around when the Indigs of what is now New Zealand were first meeting the White Man, I'm told History is written by the Victors though.

So you would discount history its self. Both side agree on this fact Gator, its called reseaching.

Which many have failed to do.

Do you even know what a Moirori is Gator? Noticed the thread has come to a stop because I mentioned them.

This is apart of history that proves what the liberals in this world don't like.

Its like if I commented on US history, which I know some but in general terms of course.

I think your attempt to understand and compare the cultures was great, but we are not the same and never will be.

While there is still some of us that know the truth we will manage to keep at least one race from becoming removed from history.
 
I do not see how the Moriori story is relevant to the thread, they were not the original inhabitants of New Zealand they were the "more than likely" the original inhabitants of the Chatham Islands and are thought to be from the same area as Maori.

I am assuming you are trying to dredge up the stories about them being the original inhabitants of New Zealand and being brutally slaughtered by Maori invaders however it is now accepted that this is not the case and in fact the Moriori decline was in part caused by the European transport of Maori to the Chatham Islands.

But anyway I will let you read it for yourself.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealanders/MaoriNewZealanders/Moriori/4/en
 
There is a similar precedent here in Australia, indicating that our present day Aboriginals are not the original inhabitants of Australia and are themselves migrants. In 1974 remains of a much more primitive man was found at Lake Mungo in NSW this species disappeared (32 -38000 years ago) shortly after the arrival of our present day aboriginals who are of Dravidian (Indian sub continent) descent.

I can hardly see this as justification of our present day treatment of our Aboriginals, but it does sink the argument that they are the "owners" of the land. They, like us are merely occupiers.
 
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