A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Let the judges take care of that...
They have.
You'll just have to wait a little longer for you to have your hero leaker
Let the judges take care of that...
10/10Did the person who leaked it get paid in any way? If he felt the army wasn't acting responsibly he did it from a sense of moral duty.
Would you consider an SS guard grassing on his mates in the Nuremburg trials a traitor? It depends exactly what the military was up to. If they weren't complying with the Geneva convention, if they were alienating the population and generating enemies, perhaps he shuld be viewed more as a hero than a villian. However, if he was grassing for private gain he is indeed a traitor in a more general sense.
LeMask, my old friend.
This article was published in one of the major Danish newspapers some years ago. It was written by a journalist who had interviewed the Danish soldiers in Iraq.
I quote from the newspaper.
“The Danish politician sends us to Iraq to perform a task without giving us the equipment which we need to do our job; says the soldier. Among other things, we lack some electronic equipment. The soldiers will soon be equipped with a sort of radio transmitters in their vehicles, known as jammers that can block radio waves around the vehicles. These jammers will cost the Danish taxpayers 40 million. which the military would not use if there wasn’t a need for the equipment.”
If we now imagine that you are sitting at home in your armchair and reading this article in the newspaper, what do you think? Do you understand what is written and if you have to evaluate the text, then what is your conclusion?
To all of you, who read this post, please do not respond. I only wish LeMask's comments.
//Micha.
To Micha, Let me give you an answer... First, sorry for being late. As I'm in vacation and that I had to spend the week end in another city.
Well, to answer your question, after reading such an article, I would think that the military arent giving the soldiers enough equipment. And that the war cost a lot of money and that the soldiers have to be equiped with modern electronic gear in today's battlefield...
This kind of conclusions I guess... I dont see your point exactly...
But let's say that these kind of articles have an influence on the public support of the war effort. If the politics are really doing big mistakes, like I dont know, sending troups without proper armor... Soldiers get killed, and you know how a public outrage can cost them (the politics).
Let the judges take care of that...
But play the "what if" game with me. If a soldier leaked data to inform the public about some wrong doings... Would you call him a hero or a traitor?
Did the person who leaked it get paid in any way? If he felt the army wasn't acting responsibly he did it from a sense of moral duty.
Would you consider an SS guard grassing on his mates in the Nuremburg trials a traitor? It depends exactly what the military was up to. If they weren't complying with the Geneva convention, if they were alienating the population and generating enemies, perhaps he shuld be viewed more as a hero than a villian. However, if he was grassing for private gain he is indeed a traitor in a more general sense.
You are all still missing the point, the problem is not Wikileaks or Journalists or whoever, it is the person who stole the information and those who allowed such lax security that it could be done.
10/10
Yes, I personally havent even bothered to look at what was leaked, and probably wouldn't understand the importance or otherwise, of what most of it was anyway.
But one thing I would stake my entire retirement pension on, is that regardless of it's importance, the people responsible for not safeguearding the material in the first place will be in there "boots 'n' all" overexagerating the case mainly for the reasons of "revenge" and to divert attention from their own lack of care.
The blame shifting department will be in high overdrive.
I've been there and seen it all before, it's all part of the "back room boys" culture.
You haven't even read what I said, so don't try to criticise me for admitting that I had not read the material. As I pointed out, the actual material had nothing to do with my point, because, had Wikileaks had not distributed it a hundred other agencies would have fought to be first in line, including the intelligence agencies of a dozen or more foreign powers. If you think WikiLieaks are to blame you have a very limited and short sighted view of the world that you live in.No, the problem is also Wikileaks and journalists. Wikileaks agenda we know and the journalist I can, to some degree understand but they should be somewhat more critical with the material they receive and have it analyzed before it´s published in search of a good story.
You haven't even read what I said, so don't try to criticise me for admitting that I had not read the material. As I pointed out, the actual material had nothing to do with my point, because, had Wikileaks had not distributed it a hundred other agencies would have fought to be first in line, including the intelligence agencies of a dozen or more foreign powers. If you think WikiLieaks are to blame you have a very limited and short sighted view of the world that you live in.
In case you are not aware of it, there is a parallel universe outside that of the Military, it is a commercially driven civilian world and it outnumbers the military both numerically and politically. It is the world that provides both the money AND the enemies that keep the military in it's position of power. This world is composed of all types, from supporters of their relative military forces, to your worst nightmare as enemies.
Somewhere, you have led a very protected life, you should get out more and see what is going on in the world you live in. The truth will shock you.
I assume??Yes, I’ve read what you wrote. That one hundred other agencies would have fought to be first in line, including the intelligence agencies of a dozen or more foreign powers is something you assume.
I think that you have shot down your own argument here.... It is clearly not only my assumption is that of "Several military experts". Do you honestly feel that information that could give the enemy access to how NATO is operating would be of no interest to any of the groups that I specified?Several military experts also agree that some of the leaked documents could endanger human life and give the enemy access to how NATO is operating
Nowhere have I said or implied "The Truth Will set you Free", are you misreading my answers, confusing me with someone else or just trying to misquote me to strengthen your case? I think that my answer above, having shown the illogicallity and complete lack of thought on your behalf would adequately justify my belief that you have little or no idea how the the big wide world really works.The truth will shock you or The Truth Will Set You Free. You sound like the local missionary
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Whether Wikileaks is allied with Al Qaeda or not is irrelevant
There was an amazing Freudian slip on the News here two nights ago, when the announcer said,...
"The military has stated that, as a result of this release of information by Wikileaks, thousands of lies have been put at risk"
I haven't heard anything about the person that leaked all this being traced, which I think should be their top objective. Once found should then be taken to Afghanistan and handed over to the Taliban
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