Justice for Gurkhas!

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Del Boy

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Sanity, justice and immigration law: Why the treatment of the Gurkhas should shame us all

Last updated at 22:42pm on 19th March 2008

Learco Chindamo is to be allowed to stay in Britain for the rest of his worthless life.
He is the Italian-born murderer who knifed headmaster Philip Lawrence to death outside his London school in 1995.
Yet we can't deport him, an immigration tribunal has ruled, because this would breach his human right to a 'family life'.

No such luck for Madan Kumar Gurung.
Home Office bureaucrats have ordered him out of the country after rejecting his application for leave to remain.
Never mind that he spent 24 years serving the British Crown in the Gurkhas, winning medals for exemplary conduct and long service.
Our human rights laws take no account of the gratitude we owe him and his comrades for risking their lives for us.
Yesterday, Mr Gurung was one of 50 former Gurkhas who handed back their medals, in a dignified protest against their treatment which should shame us all.
Isn't there something desperately wrong with a country that offers sanctuary to dangerous criminals and turns a blind eye to countless thousands of illegal migrants, while throwing the bureaucratic rulebook at our staunchest friends?
It's not only the Gurkhas - winners of 26 Victoria Crosses in two centuries of fighting alongside our troops - on whom Justice has turned her back.
Take Deborah Phillips, the sole carer for her 80-year-old British mother.
She moved to England when she was three.
Yet because her father was American, she and her seven-year-old daughter are to be thrown out next month, leaving her frail mother dependent on taxpayers for her care.
Or take Canadian-born Samantha Crozier, married to a British soldier.
Because of a footling problem with paperwork, she has been threatened with deportation and having to abandon her two children.
What about their rights to a family life? Or are those reserved for murderers?
After handing back his medal, Mr Gurung said this was "one of the saddest moments of my whole life".
Isn't it sad for the rest of us, too, that our immigration rules have abandoned all justice and sanity?
 
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This is because the government is made up of cowards. They do not take action against the real problem makers because they know they actually have to fight them. But for those who have done good... they seem like fair targets don't they?
This is such horse s*** it makes my blood boil. And this is how you create enemies. Keep this up and British troops just might be facing Gurkhas fighting for the OTHER side.
 
Redneck - no-one would want to face the Gurkhas. Generations of my family have worked closely with them. Everything about them is the complete soldier, in my opinion and that of Brits generally - we luv 'em. I do not think the Brits will accept the decision. We want them here, there are our brothers - since 1815.
 
Del Boy said:
That's exactly what we (True Brits) are saying, and always have.
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Both of you?????


That is crap. He served the Crown he of all people should be given a pass and apat on the back and allowed to stay. That's what happens when bureaucrats are allowed to make decisions.
 
One of a few groups who are actually proud to be members of the Commonwealth, yet still suffer from the old British view of "colonials".
 
He served the Crown he of all people should be given a pass and apat on the back and allowed to stay.
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Exactly my thought as well...

I served one month together with some Gurkhas from the 2nd Battalion, IV Ghurka Rifles, in South Lebanon.
They replaced us when we (Norway) left UNIFIL in 1998 so we had several of their soldiers and officers on "on-the-job" training in our company.
I must say that I was greatly impressed by their discipline and skills, even if some of the guys were a tiny bit "crazy".. :smil:
I did a search on Google and found a nice little story about the Gurkhas I had the honor to serve together with in Lebanon here:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19990204/ai_n14215052
 
A great insight into one of Great Britains most honourable and loyal Regiments.

I remember them being based in Hong Kong c. 1969-70. From HMS Tamar we could hear the pipes of the Black Watch and the Gurkha regiment, both at morning parade and marching back to barracks of an afternoon The Scots playing Black Bear and the much faster Gurkha pace. I never hear the Gurkha marches any more, but Black Bear takes me straight back to Hong Kong of 40 years ago.

Ahhh... the memories.

Britain's colonial attitudes have a lot to answer for, both good and bad.
 
Well - In all honesty, I have never heard the word 'colonials' used by Brits to describe Commonwealth partners, so that must have died in days before my understanding. On the other hand I have heard it used, and used it myself, to accurately decribe colonial antique furniture etc.

To refer to people, the parlance has always been Aussies, Kiwis,Gurkhas etc.etc.
I think 'colonial' went out with the tea-planters. I don't think we have any out-dated hang-ups of this kind.

No - our Gurkha situation is a symptom of the result of the socialist attitudes of our Government, which has not been supportive of them.

BTW - The Gurkhas have a great touring military band, which sometimes appears in here with The Swindon Male Voice Choir. Fantastic.
 
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Delboy, I am not having a shot at you, but I (as part of a group) was referred to as a "Colonial" by a lady from South London only about 15 months ago. It was all in regard to the financial arrangements of a local sporting body. I'll PM you if you wish to know the details but it's really of no importance. She came from the city (Lewisham or Chislehurst she referred to both as back home) and tried to equate our problems with solutions not available here, when informed of this she accused us of having attitudes and services typical of colonials. This was not the first occasion, she had done nothing but talk down to us as a group since she arrived, needless to say she left in a huff and never returned. I was later told she had the same attitude at the local school parents group. They were also treated as something less than "British".
 
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- (True Brits)- "both of you?"
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LOL - nice one.
Well, yes, that would be me and my brother, my other brother, my mates, my police mates, my old army mates, my son-in-law, my daughter in laws, my 7 grandsons, age 24 downwards, and 4 grand-daughters, all of our fighting forces, our football and cricket and boxing and rugby crowds, the people of my town, and a upwards from 40-50 million compadres. They, like my brothers and family, would include Scottish, Irish and first and second generation immigrant true Brits. Unfortunately the political elite careerists are not included, and they have no respect for our values. They know the price of everything and the value of nothing. We are just their golden goose to be plucked. - Just the 2 of us. LOL.




Senojekips, I did not think you were having a go -and I also was not, I just wanted to alter a misconception if I could. There are of course exceptions to the rule, but if you take a look at Brits you might know, cricketers such as Botham etc, Ricky Hatton the boxer, just as examples, they would be much closer to the average Brit; the old enemy Shane Warne also fits in just right, a very big favourite here. As a guide, Lewisham is very much a working class area of London, largely black, and very much Londoners; you would find a lot of black soldiers from such an area. Chislehurst is a county area and much more likely to have throw-back attitudes. To be honest, most of us wouldn't be aware of the word, on the streets, and if we did understand it, it would be a term of respect just as Aussie or Gurkha are. We are sorted on such matters.

No problem with your post, just commenting. That sort of abuse would be ridiculed here, laughed out of court.I have no wish to curry favour, but it would be true to say that generally Aussies are held in high regard, and up for a good sledging - their own creation of course. That's why we love to beat them - but find it difficult. (bugger it.)

Incidently - I do recognise the type, just didn't know they still existed. You have the advantage of me - the word has never been applied to people in my presence.
 
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They exist, believe me, they certainly exist. I don't know if Australia seems to attract them, but it is a well known and noted trait, especially in areas where English migrants are concentrated here. This in no way detracts from those who have adapted and settled in very well such as my best mate Len C****** son of a Cockney brick layer who is a bit of a local icon in the building trade.

In Australia we have a similar problem among some persons of my generation and older, who still seem to think that the "White Australia Policy" should be re-introduced. There always seems to be some inertia at letting go of the old ideas.
 
I am a cockney, so were my family for some generations, maybe from the Roman Garrison times, as cockneys tend to be. My nephew and family moved to Australia last year, and his daughter is already playing soccer for Queensland.

If anyone had ever referred to me as a colonial I am sure I would have taken it as a compliment. What else?
 
There is no doubt that am proud of who I am and where I came from, and that runs all the way back to my Geordie/Whitechapel Jewish ancestors.

I don't resent being a colonial in the least, but I do resent it when it is implied that we are somehow "Untermensch" because of it.
 
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There is no doubt that am proud of who I am and where I came from, and that runs all the way back to my Geordie/Whitechapel Jewish ancestors.

I don't resent being a colonial in the least, but I do resent it when it is implied that we are somehow "Untermensch" because of it.
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I have never come across that attitude towards Australians used here, that's for sure. And that word you use is completely unknown to me. It must be that such attitudes exist elsewhere. Such language is long out-dated and in fact would never have been part of working class, and therefore majority, vocabulary. Judging by the comments of Senojekips and Redneck, these are matters which concern countries far-flung from our shores. Rather Dame Edna, perhaps.

As I have made clear, Australians are held in great respect here, but as I can't keep repeating it, you will have to accept that or not, as you wish.

I cannot understand why it should upset you though, 'colonial' was never a derogatory word in any way, so why would you accept it as a put-down. I always thought Aussies were famous for dishing it out, and therefore for not being bothered at ever finding themselves on the receiving end - and I say that as a compliment. I never saw them as sensitive souls.

Anyway - this thread is now miles off topic, back to The Gurgkhas. We luv 'em, and we want our dodgy Government to do right by them.
 
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I feel your views are perhaps the result of the fact that "No one quite sees themselves as they are seen by others".

"Dishing it out", has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion as the persons I am referring to were in a welcoming environment, we need every member we can get.

And yes, you are correct, we are miles off topic.
 
It would be helpful if we could leave your Australian concentration and allow this thread to carry on regarding The Gurkhas, rather than wasting time on some imagined slight or another which has occurred in your country. Using this thread to act out some issue you have with some woman is of no consequence on this thread. The plight of these Gurkhas is an important issue, which does not deserve to be hi-jacked. Thank you kindly.
 
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Well I still say the Gurkha is getting a raw deal. And whoever made the decision should be ashamed of themself.
 
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