Invasion USA - possibility or myth?
Well said Damien. What makes it more difficult this time, here at least, is our attempt at multiculturism, as against multiracialism; it seperates us from the start. Havinf said that, we are having no difficulty with any but the Muslim community , from whence the fundamentalists spring, and are sent to Pakistan for political indoctrination and military training.
We have never failed to integrate others. Although we are overcrowded and becoming overwhelmed by the numbers game, I do not see America having the same problem, with any from outside the American continent.
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I hope they never invade the United States, from outside, were going through enough right now from within. but if they ever do i hope I'm ionformed in advance so I can get my "things" togeather
GreatestAlive
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In MOST cases, the west fights differantly from the East, as the west fights with fewer, but more heavily armed, equipped, and trained soldiers then the east. But, even if terrorists attack, they can only do so much without fighting the western way, which is full scale battles. Between the US and another nation, the nation would have to be nuclear, have superior numbers, good logistical support, and superior intelligence capability.
What % of comunist controled Countries were True Believers vs the % of Radical Moslems? Your theory doen't seem to be working too well in tolerant Holland, it just opened to door for a long term take over.
rustybolt25
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It's possible. Every American should be armed and ready.
For the country to be invaded, the entire military infrastructure--whole divisions of men, tanks, planes, and ships would have to be wiped out first. Secondly, you would have to have a country that would have the means to get their troops here--either by parachutes or in amphibious landings. Some countries may have the numbers, but they don't have the ships or planes to get their men here.
rattler
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:bravo:If only more would speak up along those lines, those fundy guys could pack up...
IMHO
Rattler
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
The problem arises when they arrive, they realize their dreams are not coming true, they lose their job or just can't find one, face too big of a language and culture barrier to overcome, fail, feel rejected and then turn to the very people that caused them to leave their home country for support.
There aren't that many true hard core extremists but they have their moments. They exploit the perfect times to show up and get the crowds going. Then the rest of us become extremists for a day, the press shows up, takes a picture, writes a story, and the next thing you know, half the city's population is now "extremist."
There aren't that many true hard core extremists but they have their moments. They exploit the perfect times to show up and get the crowds going. Then the rest of us become extremists for a day, the press shows up, takes a picture, writes a story, and the next thing you know, half the city's population is now "extremist."
Give our current administration time, they will take care of the wipeing out of the military part
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
That is not true.
Mikefrombelgium
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The USA is to big of a country, and many ordinary people are armed. + they have a really big armed forces and good logistics capability. And they have many allies that would come to their aid (if they are not invaded to offcourse 
) If someone was bold enough to try it , then maybe they would succeed into taking a small part and hold on to it for some time, but no way they could win. But then again nobody knows what the future holds.
) If someone was bold enough to try it , then maybe they would succeed into taking a small part and hold on to it for some time, but no way they could win. But then again nobody knows what the future holds.johnmacadam
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Is it possible we areforgetting the most obvious. Not china or india, the one political and economic bloc with the industrial strength, population base and military knowledge and history. The european union.
Obviously not at the moment, but in twenty years time. The EU will have moved up to the borders of Russia, possibly including Russia, it will have some kind of close status with with Turkey, it may include Israel. The northern african states will have some kind of associate status ( morocco actually applied to join in the 1980s, it was rejected, because it wasn't in the EU, but that resulted in special status for the north african countries.
effectively a modern industrial state of close to 800 million people with borders stretching from the pacific to the atlantic and economic strength and ties stretching deep into africa, the middle east and central asia.
why would it attack the USA. well what if we don't make the breakthrough in new energy sources. The EU and the USA jockeying for influence over the oil rich states of the middle east or the vast mineral resources of antartica.
Imperial overstretch could do for the USA what it has done for every empire( for the US is an empire, just a land empire, in my opinion) . The cost of enforcing its will across the known world. Will a combination of the war on terror and the financial crisis do what world war 1 did to the british empire, bankrupt it?
Here is one scenario
A civil disaster or bloodbath in south east europe, maybe the algerian civil war starts up. The europeans discover they have no military depth, and the US has to step in and solve the problem. perhaps india and pakistan have major conflict and the EU discovers it hasn't got the ability to send help.
It starts to retask and re arm, instead of having 25 small armed forces it has integrated armed forces. It may build aircraft carriers, more than just the possible 3 of france and the UK. It has the best of german engineering, quality british and french and german military soldiering ( no cracks about the french please), and the sheer weight of numbers of young men from places like turkey looking for military employment. That is ignoring Russian soldiering and Israeli ingenuity( if they join)
If countries from the middle east join the EU, that could produce a huge supply of underemployed young men who need jobs.
back to the scenario
as the US is overextended, financially and militarily, it cuts defence spending, which is still greater than the next 10 countries combined, whilst the EU finally enacts its plan for military integration.
( I think there was british tv drama about future EU/ US war over resources, a couple of years ago)
the next generation of weapons is developed. Star wars finally works, meaning nuclear holocausts aren't credible. new ships, new planes, electronic warfare, maybe EMP weapons ( i think i read something about very early planning for them)
relations are sharp between the EU and the USA, over resources, political views -whatever. The EU has developed its new aircraft carriers to project its power, once again the US is not the only superpower. The EU believes its only a matter of time before war and decides to strike first
the EU sends an armada to the south atlantic as a dummy, the US sends a fleet to shadow and observe, whilst the major fleet readies in across EU ports.
the first day, EU special forces, launch attacks across USA, at pearl harbour, at major naval and airforce installations, in space. cruise missiile strikes at targets across the US.
by the end of the first day, several US carriers have been sunk by EU submarines.
A large invasion force sails across the atlantic.
the special forces have been successful in partially cripplying the ability of USAF to ready large numbers of planes.
The EU invasion force lands... in canada, the canadians are brushed aside ( sorry but your army is 22,000 strong, the last time I read numbers)
the US army rushes to meet the invasion.
The EU drops several divisions of parahute troops into jacksonville as part of its attempt to form a bridgehead. ( yes I know its a little far fetched, but hey)
suddenly the US is facing an army from canda and heavily armed light infantry(I am thinking something on the lines of the british parachute regiment, someone described them to me as the kind of soldiers you throw into a battle to beat the hell out of your enemy, very very aggressive). it has to direct two separate attacks.
the EU has aircraft carriers against a vastly reduced numbers of planes which are on home soil. Very large air battles.
EU armoured divisions rush into new york state as US armoured forces rush up to meet them.
whilst the jacksonvile is destroyed in the battles between US and EU soldiers.
Jacksonville is also a major USN base. which is why it was taken.
the EU and US armadas in the south atlantic have a major battle, which I give to the US, and the remnants of the us fleet steam north to and attack the EU fleet and supply ships in the atlantic.
thats so far.
let me know what you think.
I've no idea how effective or not effective special forces might be in crippling a country. I'm predicating my invasion on the fact that they could cause major disarray not just to military bases, but transport links, power supply etc.
Obviously not at the moment, but in twenty years time. The EU will have moved up to the borders of Russia, possibly including Russia, it will have some kind of close status with with Turkey, it may include Israel. The northern african states will have some kind of associate status ( morocco actually applied to join in the 1980s, it was rejected, because it wasn't in the EU, but that resulted in special status for the north african countries.
effectively a modern industrial state of close to 800 million people with borders stretching from the pacific to the atlantic and economic strength and ties stretching deep into africa, the middle east and central asia.
why would it attack the USA. well what if we don't make the breakthrough in new energy sources. The EU and the USA jockeying for influence over the oil rich states of the middle east or the vast mineral resources of antartica.
Imperial overstretch could do for the USA what it has done for every empire( for the US is an empire, just a land empire, in my opinion) . The cost of enforcing its will across the known world. Will a combination of the war on terror and the financial crisis do what world war 1 did to the british empire, bankrupt it?
Here is one scenario
A civil disaster or bloodbath in south east europe, maybe the algerian civil war starts up. The europeans discover they have no military depth, and the US has to step in and solve the problem. perhaps india and pakistan have major conflict and the EU discovers it hasn't got the ability to send help.
It starts to retask and re arm, instead of having 25 small armed forces it has integrated armed forces. It may build aircraft carriers, more than just the possible 3 of france and the UK. It has the best of german engineering, quality british and french and german military soldiering ( no cracks about the french please), and the sheer weight of numbers of young men from places like turkey looking for military employment. That is ignoring Russian soldiering and Israeli ingenuity( if they join)
If countries from the middle east join the EU, that could produce a huge supply of underemployed young men who need jobs.
back to the scenario
as the US is overextended, financially and militarily, it cuts defence spending, which is still greater than the next 10 countries combined, whilst the EU finally enacts its plan for military integration.
( I think there was british tv drama about future EU/ US war over resources, a couple of years ago)
the next generation of weapons is developed. Star wars finally works, meaning nuclear holocausts aren't credible. new ships, new planes, electronic warfare, maybe EMP weapons ( i think i read something about very early planning for them)
relations are sharp between the EU and the USA, over resources, political views -whatever. The EU has developed its new aircraft carriers to project its power, once again the US is not the only superpower. The EU believes its only a matter of time before war and decides to strike first
the EU sends an armada to the south atlantic as a dummy, the US sends a fleet to shadow and observe, whilst the major fleet readies in across EU ports.
the first day, EU special forces, launch attacks across USA, at pearl harbour, at major naval and airforce installations, in space. cruise missiile strikes at targets across the US.
by the end of the first day, several US carriers have been sunk by EU submarines.
A large invasion force sails across the atlantic.
the special forces have been successful in partially cripplying the ability of USAF to ready large numbers of planes.
The EU invasion force lands... in canada, the canadians are brushed aside ( sorry but your army is 22,000 strong, the last time I read numbers)
the US army rushes to meet the invasion.
The EU drops several divisions of parahute troops into jacksonville as part of its attempt to form a bridgehead. ( yes I know its a little far fetched, but hey)
suddenly the US is facing an army from canda and heavily armed light infantry(I am thinking something on the lines of the british parachute regiment, someone described them to me as the kind of soldiers you throw into a battle to beat the hell out of your enemy, very very aggressive). it has to direct two separate attacks.
the EU has aircraft carriers against a vastly reduced numbers of planes which are on home soil. Very large air battles.
EU armoured divisions rush into new york state as US armoured forces rush up to meet them.
whilst the jacksonvile is destroyed in the battles between US and EU soldiers.
Jacksonville is also a major USN base. which is why it was taken.
the EU and US armadas in the south atlantic have a major battle, which I give to the US, and the remnants of the us fleet steam north to and attack the EU fleet and supply ships in the atlantic.
thats so far.
let me know what you think.
I've no idea how effective or not effective special forces might be in crippling a country. I'm predicating my invasion on the fact that they could cause major disarray not just to military bases, but transport links, power supply etc.