India destroys Somali pirate ship

wolfen, I dont know if you understand some basic principles of a business.

The question you have to answer is "why would a government call me?"

The answer is your selling argument. Is it because you are more skilled than their own men? Because they dont have trustwhorty men? because you are cheaper? or is it because they can hire you and end your contract once they dont need you anymore...

So now, you have skills to sell. It's good. And if you have the US flag behind you, you would have some real selling arguments. I wish you good luck in your enterprise anyway...
 
I know enough about business to run one, I've done it before while I was active duty I owned and operated a auto garage here in town until it became more than I could keep up with while I was deployed and I sold it to my lead mechanic, it was profitable when I owned it, and its profitable now too.
as for eliminating pirates, I feel like I'm qualified, because (1) if i kill a pirate, and his family hates me, Hey I'm an American, chance are they already hate me anyway because of pres Bush LOL (2) I have LOADS of sea going experience, (3) I know most large mounted weapons inside and out, (4) yea I'll be cheaper than some, probably more expensive than others (5) I don't quit a job until its finished (6) I can come out on top of a fire fight ( so far in my life anyway)
Dunno about having the US flag behind me, but if my vessels were registered here I'd hold colors each day on each vessel I had.

But thanks, I can use all the luck I can get on this.
Oh and I have a few skills. dunno if their more or better than their own men, but I can tell ya I'm better than somebody who is more concerned about what he can steel.
 
This is ****ing ridiculous, let's get back to topic here or shall I rant about my plans to establish a world government and end all wars by reducing the nation-state to something equivalent to an American State or Canadian Province?
 
Damien? Bush is working on that... You dont hear all the presidents of the world talking about "the new world order"?

I think it's ontopic...

And wolfen, if you dont get the finances to buy gunboats and such heavy equipement to deal with pirates...

You can think maybe about creating escorts for the ships traveling in the area... You send men to guard the ships and prevent pirates taking control... All you need is light weapons and trained soldiers to get in the ships in dangerous areas and leave once the ship is in safe controled waters...

No need for gunboats to patrol the seas (they are pretty large)... Helicopters to carry the men onboard could do the trick...
 
You can think maybe about creating escorts for the ships traveling in the area... You send men to guard the ships and prevent pirates taking control... All you need is light weapons and trained soldiers to get in the ships in dangerous areas and leave once the ship is in safe controled waters...

No need for gunboats to patrol the seas (they are pretty large)... Helicopters to carry the men onboard could do the trick...

And of course he'll be violating a score of international treaties and subject to arrest whenever he comes on shore in every nation with a real government, which leaves him the lovely vacation destinations of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Zimbabwe and Congo. If merchant vessels were permitted to carry loaded weapons on board don't you think they would have done so by now? We, being law biding citizens of our countries, are hampered in our ability to deal with these pirates because of the existing laws and treaties that almost every nation of the world is a party to. Because I know somebody is going to say it let me just nip this in the bud by saying that no, the solution is not to start ignoring laws whenever it suits our fancy and just start arming every maritime vessel that passes through the waters off the coast of Somalia and Straits of Malacca, the latter still being considered the most dangerous waterway in the world.
 
Personally, don't see the issue with having armed guards on ships. Just give them a caliber restriction put some realistic ROEs (and please, none of this "you can't shoot unless all your guards are dead.. and only they can pull the trigger" sort of stuff) and make sure the guns stay on the ships in countries all but the country the security company originates from.
 
the gunboats wouldn't be patrolling, they would be attached to the merchant ships, yea there would be armed guards on each ship too, but the helicopter thing is useless since a man with a .22 can drop a helo out of the sky with great ease
 
And of course he'll be violating a score of international treaties and subject to arrest whenever he comes on shore in every nation with a real government, which leaves him the lovely vacation destinations of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Zimbabwe and Congo. If merchant vessels were permitted to carry loaded weapons on board don't you think they would have done so by now? We, being law biding citizens of our countries, are hampered in our ability to deal with these pirates because of the existing laws and treaties that almost every nation of the world is a party to. Because I know somebody is going to say it let me just nip this in the bud by saying that no, the solution is not to start ignoring laws whenever it suits our fancy and just start arming every maritime vessel that passes through the waters off the coast of Somalia and Straits of Malacca, the latter still being considered the most dangerous waterway in the world.

If I'd be a criminal for shooting at pirate ships, then what about the Indian Navy that shot at one?
As far as I know theres no maritime law restricting armed security on sea going vessels, nor have I ever seen any law forbidding self defense.
Just think while were sitting down arguing about weather or not I have the right to hire myself out to protect a ship, pirates are looking really hard at any and all unarmed ships deciding if they need more weapons to take over that one. but I notice they haven't the weabos to attack a Navy ship from ANY country. so if I'd become a criminal for helping, how about we use the worlds Navy's for what they are intended for?
 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD9521CLG0

In an attempt to get this thread to have something to do with what it's purported topic is.

Indian navy captures 23 pirates in Gulf of Aden

By JEREMIAH MARQUEZ – 1 day ago
NEW DELHI — The Indian navy captured 23 pirates who threatened a merchant vessel in the lawless waters of the Gulf of Aden and a German naval helicopter thwarted another attack Saturday on a freighter being chased by speedboats off Yemen.
The successes came days before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was to ask the United Nations to authorize "all necessary measures" against increasingly bold Somalian pirates operating in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.
An Indian navy ship, the INS Mysore, was escorting merchant ships in waters off Somalia's coast Saturday when it received a distress call from seamen on board the MV Gibe, who said they were being fired on by two boats that were approaching fast.
The Mysore and its helicopter sped to the scene, and the pirate boats attempted to escape when they saw them, according to a statement from the Indian government.
Indian marine commandoes boarded the pirate boats and seized "a substantial cache of arms and equipment," including seven AK-47 assault rifles, three machine guns, a rocket-propelled grenade launcher and other weapons, the statement said. They also found a GPS receiver and other equipment.
The pirates were from Somalia and Yemen, two countries on the coast of the Gulf of Aden. The Gibe was flying an Ethiopian flag but little else was known about it, the Indian statement said.
Last month, India's navy drew criticism after sinking a Thai fishing trawler that had been commandeered hours earlier by pirates. At least one Thai crew member was killed in the attack, which the Indian navy had originally announced by saying it had sunk a pirate "mother ship." The Indian navy defended its actions, saying it had fired in self-defense.
Somali pirates have become increasingly brazen and recently seized a Saudi supertanker loaded with $100 million of crude oil. Many of the vessels are taken to pirate-controlled regions in Somalia, where they are held for ransom.
It was not immediately clear what would happen to the pirates captured by the Indians, or where they would be taken. The statement said only that the prisoners and their weapons would be "handed over to appropriate authorities ashore."
Most foreign navies patrolling the Somali coast have been reluctant to detain suspects because of uncertainties over where they would face trial, since Somalia has no effective central government or legal system.
Also on Saturday, a German military spokesman said a navy frigate had chased away pirates in speedboats pursuing an Ethiopian freighter off the coast of Yemen.
The German frigate responded to a distress call from the freighter, and a helicopter took off from the deck to investigate. The pirates turned away from the freighter as the helicopter flew overhead, said the spokesman, who declined to give his name in line with military policy.
An estimated 1,500 pirates are based in Somalia's semiautonomous Puntland region, raking in millions of dollars.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will present a draft Security Council resolution next week asking the United Nations to authorize "all necessary measures" against piracy from Somalia.
However, the commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet expressed doubt Friday about the wisdom of launching attacks against Somali pirates on land, as the draft proposes.
U.S. Vice Adm. Bill Gortney told reporters that it is difficult to identify pirates, and the potential for killing innocent civilians "cannot be overestimated."
The threat of pirates recently prompted a German cruise ship to evacuate some 420 passengers and crew after the company decided not to risk their safety as the ship passed through the Gulf of Aden.
The passengers and crew have rejoined the M/S Columbus — which is on a six-month round-the-world trip — in Oman's port of Salalah after three days in Dubai, Hamburg-based cruise operator Hapag-Lloyd said Saturday.
The ship and a limited crew made it through the gulf without incident, a company spokeswoman said.
 
If I'd be a criminal for shooting at pirate ships, then what about the Indian Navy that shot at one?
As far as I know theres no maritime law restricting armed security on sea going vessels, nor have I ever seen any law forbidding self defense.
Just think while were sitting down arguing about weather or not I have the right to hire myself out to protect a ship, pirates are looking really hard at any and all unarmed ships deciding if they need more weapons to take over that one. but I notice they haven't the weabos to attack a Navy ship from ANY country. so if I'd become a criminal for helping, how about we use the worlds Navy's for what they are intended for?

The Indian Navy was responding to an SOS call from a merchant vessel in the area, perfectly legal. What the Indian Navy did a few weeks ago though, questionable at best, sinking the ship being attacked by the pirates is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The French and US Navies have done the same in recent months, NATO has an entire flotilla doing the same thing, India's just pushing the news more than others because of their deep trade ties to Africa.

Besides the legality of the issue, there's another reason why companies are not arming their ships, doing so would put the crew in more danger than trying to repel the pirates using less lethal means. How many crew members have been killed on hijacked vessels and how many have been turned over unharmed? The pirates don't wish to kill the crew, they just want some money, and if you arm the crew you'll end up with gun fights in close quarters and vastly more crew members being killed than we currently see.

Always important to keep in mind here that despite the recent rise in hijackings off the coast of Somalia, the Straits of Malacca are still the most dangerous waterways in the world.
 
Damien got some points...
It would draw a lot of fire on the crew... And if the pirates are heavily armed, they could win the battle eventually... and if they loose men in the process, they may hurt the men who resisted to give them a lesson.
 
Damien, firing off a few rounds from a GPMG in front of a pirate boat will likely convince them to turn around. And if they start getting shot at for real with a few dudes getting killed, even more so. They're in it to earn money, and dying isn't very profitable.
 
PMC's have done a smash up job in Iraq, I'm sure every company in the world is just dying to hire some Army rejects and cast offs to "protect" their ships, crew and cargo. How long until the mercenaries turn into pirates themselves as they turned on their employers in Iraq on more than one occasion?
 
Cool, conspiracy theories starting already...

Maybe that the pirates are in fact already Navy rejects... And they are building a market for other mercenaries...

Damn, I should make a book about that...
 
It's a little more clean cut out in the middle of the sea. It's not like you'll be surrounded in civilians, civilian traffic etc.
 
Damien I kinda agree and disagree with you, I really think that the Indian Navy did what they thought was best to prevent another ship from being taken over by pirates. But I have to be inclined to think a couple of 3" or better rounds in the side of a pirate ship might change their minds from taking over the ship to running for shore. if it draws more fire, simple answer, put more holes in the side of their ship, don't shoot at them, sink their ship, watch them swim around till either one of two things happens, they reach land or they reach sharks.
 
Damien I kinda agree and disagree with you, I really think that the Indian Navy did what they thought was best to prevent another ship from being taken over by pirates. But I have to be inclined to think a couple of 3" or better rounds in the side of a pirate ship might change their minds from taking over the ship to running for shore. if it draws more fire, simple answer, put more holes in the side of their ship, don't shoot at them, sink their ship, watch them swim around till either one of two things happens, they reach land or they reach sharks.

Hmm I am seeing a market for shark pheromones.

Personally I think the Indian Navy is doing a bang up job, the one thing that may put pirates off is knowing that there is no safety in taking over these ships.
 
Yeah, they're a Navy that's being allowed to be a Navy.

I'm sure in no time though, our lawmakers will get into it and make sure that the Indian Navy is about as thoroughly castrated as our Navies are.
 
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