I for one do not believe that the retailer is the right person to be carrying out these checks.
Not the retailer. you get a permit from the gov. im just saying that the only limits to permits should be:
A) your crazy
B)your a criminal
I for one do not believe that the retailer is the right person to be carrying out these checks.
Not the retailer. you get a permit from the gov. im just saying that the only limits to permits should be:
A) your crazy
B)your a criminal
I won't even go into the fear subject anymore.
Now that is a weapon I would give anyone's left testicle to have (except my own, I am attached to them).
Hey I have no issues with that but I would be surprised if 5.56 doesn't.
I also have a Mauser P08, built in 1972 using the original Swiss Tooling complete with grip safety as per the Swiss built P08. I bought it new in the box with all the tools, instruction manual and test target. It has the American Eagle above the chamber and stamped on the side "Interarms" It has fired no more then 50 rounds from new.
A few months ago I had an other interesting gun in my hands. A chap in his late 80's brought an Holland and Holland Paradox into the shop. The owner was an ex British Colonel serving in the Indian Army. His father (also and ex Indian Army senior officer) bought the gun second hand in 1912. It had frequently been used on tiger hunts throughout Indian many times in the 1920's and 1930's. During one such hunt an elephant stood on the butt and broke it. A replacement was made by a gunsmith locally in India to the same standard as Holland and Holland. I cradled the gun in my hands, the fit and finish was perfect, it came up beautifully. I opened the barrels and checked for any play, there was none, I checked the bores and both were absolutely pristine, when I closed the gun there was a satisfying “CLUNK” and locked up solid.
The chap was sending the gun to his nephew living in England, I asked him if his nephew knew what he was really getting. He looked at me and said, “Probably not.”
Its a matter of record that where restrictive firearm laws are in place, crime skyrockets. Thats fact. Its also a matter of record, where firearms are freely available with few restrictions, crime drops. Thats also fact.
Since the concealed carry laws were enacted in certain states throughout the US crime and spiralled downwards. Rape was once a huge problem in Florida, since the concealed carry laws, crimes such as rape, and mugging have dropped considerably.
Criminals are scared to death of armed citizens, neither are criminals total idiots. Who in their right mind would attempt to rape or mug someone, if there's a chance they are going to get the crap shot out of them? To quote Professor John Lott, “More Guns = Less Crime.”
I remember an incident in Israel where terrorists attempted to murder innocent people, Israelis fought back and fought back hard with their own carry guns. When the smoke cleared, one of the surviving terrorists bleated, “I didn't know people in Israel were armed.” Sherman can probably tell you more about that incident.
Essentially if you remove all restrictions so that it is easier for he good guys to buy a weapon then you are also making it easier for criminals to get better weapons.
It shouldnt be too difficult to find out if anyone has a criminal record. A phone call to the local cop shop would tell me if the person has a criminal record within minutes.
The majority of criminals in South Africa wouldn't bother buying the "usual" 9mm para pistols, 357 revolvers or bolt action rifles, they are more interested in selective fire AK47's, R4's and R5's.
No it shouldn't but who do you rely on to do the check?
A) The retailer selling the weapon.
B) Local Police
C) No one because everyone has a right to be armed.
The problem with "just phoning the cop shop" is that law abiding retailers will follow do it and the police will do their bit but what about the dishonest retailer or lazy minimum wage Wal-mart 16 year old shop assistant, security systems that cannot be validated are not security systems.
Getting a dealers licence in South Africa is not a simple task, there are serious background checks, not only for me, but my staff. The slightest infringement of the law and I loses my living and could end up in jail. If I were able to sell as many legal firearms to legal owners as I could lay my hands on, why on earth would I and other dealers risk our living selling under the counter to criminals?
As for the cops, in South Africa we have what is called a Designated Firearms Officer, he is personally responsible for all firearm licence applications and licence issues once approved, somehow I don't think he would take the risk either.
Of course every law has its flaws, and someone somewhere is going to take advantage. Legal firearm owners are the most law abiding on the planet.
Getting a dealers licence in South Africa is not a simple task, there are serious background checks, not only for me, but my staff. The slightest infringement of the law and I loses my living and could end up in jail. If I were able to sell as many legal firearms to legal owners as I could lay my hands on, why on earth would I and other dealers risk our living selling under the counter to criminals?
As for the cops, in South Africa we have what is called a Designated Firearms Officer, he is personally responsible for all firearm licence applications and licence issues once approved, somehow I don't think he would take the risk either.
Of course every law has its flaws, and someone somewhere is going to take advantage. Legal firearm owners are the most law abiding on the planet.
i dont see why not have permits. you have adrivers lisence, this is the same. In israel we have a card permit. you carry it with you and it allows you to conceal carry anywhere.
Because driving is a privilege, owning and bearing arms is a right.... One is listed in the Constitution and the other isn't... Simple as that. When permitting is done it is soon done with. History has been a teacher of that. Germany, Russia, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Laos, Iran, etc...
Most gun ownership permit programs were started in the USA to prevent people from owning arms.
Once a right is taken away and turned into a privilege, you will never get it back as a right. By having to get a piece of paper from the government allowing you to own a firearm.... you are no longer a free citizen exercising your rights. You're a serf asking your overlord master if you may do something.
Getting a Federal Firearm License isn't a simple thing either... If I sell a gun under the table BATFE goes after me and put me in jail.... simple as that. Traces are easy to do... Make, Model, serial number of said firearm. Call the manufacturer, have them trace the serial number. From there they tell you whom they sold it to (distributor 90% of the time). Then they go after me. I have to keep a bound book that holds the serial, make, model, caliber, date of purchase and date of sale, and lastly whome I sold it too. That info is Driver's License Number, Name, Date of Birth, Address, Race, and sex.
I must call FDLE every time I make a sale. I must provide them with all of the same information plus social secuirty number. The buyer must fill out a three page form and I must keep on record for twnety years.
The bound book but be turned over to BATFE if I quit, retire, go out of business. BATFE can come and inspect my recoreds anytime they want without warrant. I get inspected at least once every two months. They don't tell me ahead of time, no warning nothing. Just "surprise".
If I don't following any of these rules I go to jail for ten puls years. I lose my lisence to deal firearms. I lose my rights to own firearms, and I can never serve in the armed forces again or continute my career as a police officer.
Trust me.... there are no reasons to have a permit system that a person must get to purchase a firearm. There are already enough steps in place to prevent criminals from buying them.... and once again... nothing stops a straw buyer for getting a gun for someone that cna't own or buy one. Not even a permit system. Ask New York City, ask LA, as Washington DC, ask Chicago.
CRIMINALS WILL GET ARMS.
I'm all for the first two mentioned after the gun control. Not sure how either one dismantles society. First off, 16 year olds know what he heck they're doing. If they f*ck up, so to speak, that's really their problem. They can have abortions or give their kids up to adoptions, no questions asked. As for youth rights? Of course I'm for that! Knowing what's going on in the world but having no way to really affect how it looks when it's our turn to be in charge is REALLY frustrating. I can't tell you how many times what I've said has been discounted because I'm "just one of those teenage rebels." Just because I'm 16 or 18 or whatever doesn't mean that I somehow don't know what's going on or don't understand it. And also remember that feudalism served Europe well for so long too. But that doesn't mean that it was good.
As for the comparison to the post-1945 world? Really? Today's world is a much much different place. Let's just remember that.
I agree with you though, Hokie. When an :cen: whooping is in order, an :cen: whooping is the best solution.
I was around firearms when i was 16.... hell. I've had them longer then that. Been hunting since I was about 10-12 years old. I knew what I was doing....
16 year olds know what they're doing.
During WWII plenty of 16 year old folk enlisted in the armed forces and fought the war to liberate to the world.
After WWII... society has change to such a degree that the idea of being an adult doesn't start till later in life. BULL CRAP.... 16 year olds used to work, fight in wars, get married, and start families. But that has changed today... Over parenting is one main issue.
Trust me... most 16 year olds know what's going on.... if you let them act like 16 year olds and not over sized 10 year olds.
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