How to handle the Iraq situation?

Depose a dictator that murdered and tortured his own people and was a destabilizing influence on the entire region? But I guess they left that out of the news in Peking.
 
show support/???
does that help?
does showing support can reduce the expolsions in iraq>

can showing support kick insurgents' ass?
can showing support accelerate the rebuilding??

U.S needs practical support, not spritiual
 
That's implied, everyone says "leave now!" What, you actually think I meant if we leave two years from now, that would all happen? You see, I tried typing that with anti-war people in mind. I know we won't leave, you know we won't leave, but then there's those that say it, over and over again.

Saudi's against terror? Tons and tons of money is poured from Saudi Arabia, yet they sit there and do nothing. They're playing both ends, they know if they don't hunt down Al queda they'll loose us, but if they go too far they'll alienate a big part of their population. Not to mention there are those in leadership positions that value the fundamentalist ideals.

Anyways, I accept your apology. I get offended when people act condescending to me.


Wait! This just in! My crystal ball says you will continue to be condescending to me!
 
they are not left out in "Peking" (actually spells Beijing....) those news


i think U.S want more than just delivering freedom,,,


do u think U.S government wants to give Iraqis freedom for FREE???
 
Sexybeast said:
show support/???
does that help?
does showing support can reduce the expolsions in iraq>

can showing support kick insurgents' ass?
can showing support accelerate the rebuilding??

U.S needs practical support, not spritiual
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If your refering to Big Z's reference to Poland. The Polish Special Forces did an outstanding job.

And who's gonna lend practical support? You tell me.
 
u tell me why no body wants to lend practical support/?


and poland troops did well in iraq...good job, hope more countries can go there, so less explosions, less blood
 
Don't pat yourself on the back too much there, Blitzer. Chewie would say that just to wave the red flag at me. Doesn't mean he means it.

16 years is not enough time on this planet to have a well informed idea of how to handle a situation so vast and intertwined as Iraq. Sorry truth hurts. Wasn't meant to be rude. Just a statement of fact. Trust me, if I wanted to be rude I could do so more thoroughly. If you choose to take my observation as unkind that's up to you. Many people with much greater knowledge and experience than you or I and anybody else in this discussion are struggling with this conundrum and have been doing so for years, but you're going to solve it in a few poorly articulated paragraphs?
 
i hope u can use proof and well argued fact to say debate with Chocobo_Blitzer , but rather saying he is young and stuff
 
Sexybeast said:
u tell me why no body wants to lend practical support/?


and poland troops did well in iraq...good job, hope more countries can go there, so less explosions, less blood
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You said we needed more than our allies could give us. So who are you talking about? Who is it whose help you think we should except. Since apparently you have an idea.
 
Sexybeast said:
EU, and ur arabian allies, those who helped U.S during last gulf war
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Apparently the fact that EU which includes France and Germany not wanting any part of this didn't make the news in Peking ethier.

Once the situation stabalizes though I bet you see Saudi Arabia and Kuwait there.
 
Charge_7 said:
Don't pat yourself on the back too much there, Blitzer. Chewie would say that just to wave the red flag at me. Doesn't mean he means it.

16 years is not enough time on this planet to have a well informed idea of how to handle a situation so vast and intertwined as Iraq. Sorry truth hurts. Wasn't meant to be rude. Just a statement of fact. Trust me, if I wanted to be rude I could do so more thoroughly. If you choose to take my observation as unkind that's up to you. Many people with much greater knowledge and experience than you or I and anybody else in this discussion are struggling with this conundrum and have been doing so for years, but you're going to solve it in a few poorly articulated paragraphs?
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I know well of chewie's strong political leanings, you needn't tell me how much his compliment is worth. I'll judge that by myself, thanks.

You didn't think diminshing my opinion was rude? 55 years under your belt, I would think all of your knowledge and experience would get you an idea on insults.

I know how complex the situation is, I know we here on this little forum aren't going to solve the problem, I certainly know me and my "poorly articulated paragraphs" wont.

But who are you to dictate to me what to debate about? Because of my age? Would you like me to leave? Leave the grownups to debate?

Go ahead, be rude, be as rude as you can be. Make me cry off the forums.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I might not be able to understand it now, but when I'm a big grown up, I'm sure I will.
 
03USMC said:
Sexybeast said:
EU, and ur arabian allies, those who helped U.S during last gulf war
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Apparently the fact that EU which includes France and Germany not wanting any part of this didn't make the news in Peking ethier.

Once the situation stabalizes though I bet you see Saudi Arabia and Kuwait there.
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i hope u can change ur tone a bit, dont critisize others' age, and others' background, cuz that just makes u look even dumber

second, i am not in BEIJING (not that stupid Peking, learn more about china first), i am living in canada,
third, chinese ppl are well recieved on international news, and its media is much freer than 20 years ago, so basically wut u watch on TV (except those porn crap), chinese ppl also know it,


and finally, i know EU (includes France and Germany) do not want to take a part of Iraq operation,
but they have been allies in first Gulf War,
maybe U.S should know the reasons why they dont want to join this time..

and wut i was saying is taht letting them be a part of this war can help U.S, can reduce the bloodshed and can help to rebuild Iraq..

clear?
 
Oh and if you're against the Saudies, here's the company you're in:

Reuters:

Kerry under fire for Saudi-bashing

Washington: Saudi Arabia has criticised Democratic presidential challenger Sen. John Kerry for "bashing" the kingdom when he called on the United States to cut its dependence on the Middle East nation's oil.

"Saudi bashing is not an energy policy," an official with the Saudi Embassy in Washington said.

In his nomination acceptance speech Thursday night, Kerry said he wants America to use technology to become energy independent and end its reliance on Saudi oil.

"I want an America that relies on its own ingenuity and innovation - not the Saudi royal family," he said. The personal and financial ties between the Saudi royal family and US President George W. Bush and his family have been criticised in books and in Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11.

The Saudi embassy official said Saudi Arabia has been a reliable supplier of oil to the US market for decades and expects to continue in that role whether or not Kerry becomes president.
 
When did I Criticize you for your age or background or culture? And what tone? Sorry I don't agree with your take on how this should be handled.
But I don't think I should be required to agree with you just to make you happy.

I don't think the EU has any business there.

And I stand corrected on your location. Got it Canada not Peking.
 
talking to Charge_7

:shock:
i am not against saudies, and i dont know why u put that up?
is that related to this topic?
 
03USMC said:
When did I Criticize you for your age or background or culture? And what tone? Sorry I don't agree with your take on how this should be handled.
But I don't think I should be required to agree with you just to make you happy.

I don't think the EU has any business there.

And I stand corrected on your location. Got it Canada not Peking.
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:shock: alright, next time, dont talk like if u r superior or older or smarter or powerful or something, retired marine

EU does have buisness here, EU was an importnat ally of U.S in first Gulf war, they are one of most poweful group of nations on earth today, they did help U.S in first gulf war , however, they didn't this time

if they can be there, there will be more soldiers (probably less explosions, less blood), and more money to rebuild Iraq....


U.S needs to think about getting their old allies back to help U.S in iraq now
 
NP Beast

Blitzer if you weren't so concerned about that ego of your's you might even grasp that pontificating as you were was beyond you and made you ripe for somebody taking you down a peg. Having that happen to you is not always a bad thing. Sometimes you actually learn something. Debate? Sure debate all you want, just try to have a grip on reality and understand that _you_ do not have all the answers. If you had made your statements more in the frame of question and answer and a tolerance for either with some grain of doubt that you knew it all, then you would have been okay. You didn't do that. You sermonized from the mount.
 
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