MontyB
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Matthias Neutzner and others (2010). "Abschlussbericht der Historikerkommission zu den Luftangriffen auf Dresden zwischen dem 13. und 15. Februar 1945" - Landeshauptstadt Dresden
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When looking at war crimes it is not enough to just look at the crime itself but also why it happend.
This is very true however I would suggest that most of those who believe Dresden was a war crime have looked at why it happened and come to the conclusion that it was an unnecessary action carried out more for the sake of revenge than any military imperative.
You don't hear people talk about the bombing of Cologne, Essen or Hamburg the same way as they talk of Dresden because people understand that while bad they were a necessity to bring Germany to its knees but Dresden was at least one city too many.
Compare it with a boxing game and they prepare you to fight in the ring. You are very well trained and know the rules. You have the best boxing gloves and shoes. But once you step into that ring you see that your opponent has no boxing gloves but knuckle-dusters and he spits, bites and kicks. How long will it take you to throw away your gloves and give him the same treatment?
Your example fails horribly because the second boxer would not even get to the first bell without the proper gear.
However I will give you a boxing example I think a better example in this case, boxer 1 and 2 go 14 rounds where boxer 2 lands some big blows and a couple of below the belt ones, in the 15th round boxer 1 knocks boxer 2 out but continues to beat him to death on the ground then stands up and says well he hit me first besides he is a delinquent father so he deserves it.
Allies’ crimes in WWII:
1- UK and America's brutal air attack on civilian areas in Dresden, Germany
2- Nukes bombing of Japan by America
3- Katyn horrible massacre by Russians
4- Widespread rape of women and girls by soldiers of the Allied especially Russian soldiers.
5- Betraying to Poland’s fighter by UK and America’s for Stalin satisfaction.
6- Inhuman and brutal treatment of POWs.
7- Deportations and ethnic cleansing of German people after the war
Germans carried out many crimes in the East of Europe and Russia. Japans did many crimes in Korea, China and Southeast of Asia.
The war crimes in west of Europe were much less than other places and in the US approximately there wasn’t any notably crime. And also the US was the real winner of the war II. In fact other countries, Axis and Allies, fought for the US.
1. Nuking Japan was not a crime as Japan was actively pursuing the war even at that stage and had an invasion been necessary it would have cost hundreds of thousands of lives both Allied and Japanese.
2. I am not sure I understand point 5, if you are talking about the lack of support for Poland at the start of the war then I don't see a crime it was just a case of Britain and France not being ready for war. If you are talking about Stalin not helping the Polish uprising I would point out that the British wanted to supply the Poles but were unable to do so effectively given Stalins lack of help.
3. Point 7 is an interesting one that has generally been overlooked in history, we go on about Dresden, Hamburg and the Atomic bombs yet more people were killed in those deportations than in all the major bombings of the war combined.
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