Greece rejects joint maneuver with Israel against Iran

[senojekips]

You can fool others, but not me, when you claim to be Jewish ; you enthusiastically support and encourage those who demand the destruction of Israel.

I don't have to fool anyone,... and I notice that you haven't provided a quote of me calling for Israel's destruction as you claim? You see, I know what I have said and I know exactly why I said it,...

About honesty and honour - the Israelis have a perfectly legitimate claim to their homeland, far better than your right to live in Australia, a far better claim. In fact no right at all, using your own measurement, which was never a homeland for Europeans. As you are so adament, show some honour ; pack your bags and leave Australia to those you stolen it from, murdering the indigenous people to gain land. Just remove yourself elsewhere that's all.

I guess you've forgotten already,... but if you care to look back at your own post, you will note that it was you who was babbling on about you honour and honesty, not I, honest people don't have to.

I value only honour and honesty.

And of course, you will advocate that like your Zionist thug mates in Israel, I should come back to London and throw the present occupants out of a dozen different addresses in the east end, murdering those who resist?? Then once I'm installed become a serial pest stealing more and more land of my neighbours because they don't like what I've done? (the b@stards!). It sort of fcuks up your own stupid "logic" doesn't it? Tell me, is this a recent trend or have you always been this "thick"?

No, don't strain yourself,... I actually know why it is. It's all the practice you get. Bye bye,...

 

[Del Boy]

I don't have to fool anyone,... and I notice that you haven't provided a quote of me calling for Israel's destruction as you claim? You see, I know what I have said and I know exactly why I said it,...

Apparently not. Here's one:-

'Find me one post where I have demanded the destruction of Israel. I have often stated that it can't be on the land of another people without their agreement. I do state that it should be removed from it's present location in Palestine.'

And that ,my pompous mouth-piece of the great Ummah, represents the destruction of Israel! A full admission of fact.


And here's another - which went unchallenged by you:-

Originally Posted by Del Boy
You can fool others, but not me, when you claim to be Jewish ; you enthusiastically support and encourage those who demand the destruction of Israel.

Yes, you try to fool everyone with your Ummah agenda; but not me, and I was not' babbling 'about anything, merely pointing out that everyone now living in Israel has more legitimate claim to do so than you have to cling to Australia. You live on stolen land seized by murderous racists, perhaps the worst example ever, and have no right to castigate Israelis whatsoever.

(You obviously have forgotten already, in your world of smoke and mirrors. Obviously my memory is much better than yours. )

Let us investigate how your lying rhetoric attempts to fool readers. I did not advocate as you suggest, don't put words into my mouth.

Tackling lies from your post - I have no Zionist thug mates in Israel . I have no Zionist mates in Israel. I have no thug mates in Israel. I have no thugs in Israel. I have no mates in Israel. I have no Zionists in Israel. Sorry to disappoint you on that one.

These are just a few examples of your complete disregard of honour and honesty on this issue; you attempt to fool people constantly with your dodgy rhetoric. You only use the truth when a lie won't fit it seems.

I forget nothing, and I will fill you in anytime you wish on cold war memories and experiences. No charge.

 

[senojekips]

Apparently not. Here's one:-

'Find me one post where I have demanded the destruction of Israel. I have often stated that it can't be on the land of another people without their agreement. I do state that it should be removed from it's present location in Palestine.'

And that ,my pompous mouth-piece of the great Ummah, represents the destruction of Israel! A full admission of fact.


And here's another - which went unchallenged by you:-

Well, read it again idiot, only this time make an attempt to comprehend what is written, and not just what you want to see written to suit your imagination.

It does not call for the "destruction" of Israel, just it's removal from Palestine.

They can have Israel wherever they want, so long as they don't occupy the land of another people. If they set it up in England or the US with permission, I would have no objection. But instead, in your great wisdom, it looks like you've chosen to adopt the Islamic state if Englandistan instead, and I'm pleased to see that you are having about as much luck with your new neighbours as the Palestinians are with the Israelis. I guess they thought if you were behind the loss of their land they'd take over yours. What goes around comes around, eh? :lol:

I think what pleases me most, is you acknowledgment of their legitimacy in that you are already trying to fit in, by using their language and terminology.

 

[Del Boy]

Well, read it again idiot, only this time make an attempt to comprehend what is written, and not just what you want to see written to suit your imagination.

It does not call for the "destruction" of Israel, just it's removal from Palestine.

Your comprehension is severely twisted on this issue and not really deserving of an intelligent response.

You are the idiot. Don't pretend to sit on your brain, any fool knows that certainly does mean the destruction of Israel.

But you have no room for truth when it does not coincide with your hidden agenda, but you don't fool me for one minute; your pompous bullying of others on this forum who happen not to agree with you is nothing but a facade; the wizard of Oz comes to mind. Yours is the language of the great Ummah . So don't try to fool me. Any Nazi thug mates in your locker possibly?

It would be so much easier and convenient to just move the Palestinians to somwhere else, just shuffle the enormous swathes of land they have to spare amongst their loving brothers; don't you like that better - it is only a little move somewhere , after all. That is what the Jews of Arabia did.

Now then:-

Quote-
"I think what pleases me most, is you acknowledgment of their legitimacy in that you are already trying to fit in, by using their language and terminology." quote.

What the bloody hell is that all about; what are you babbling about? Who, what, when. Get it translated into English and I will be more than happy to respond.


I had hoped you might provide a sensible explanation as to how you reconcile your existence in Australia to your stance on the Israelis.

 

[VDKMS]

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I'm more convinced now but still sceptical. Thanks.

 

[VDKMS]

Find me one post where I have demanded the destruction of Israel. I have often stated that it can't be on the land of another people without their agreement. I do state that it should be removed from it's present location in Palestine. That is not destruction, just removal elsewhere, after all Israel is not a location, it is merely an idea, a Jewish Utopia or more to the point, Lebensraum.

It is destruction alright, because all the land on earth is already distributed exept for a tiny place called Palestine. It was given to the Palestinians (well, Syrians in fact) but they refused it and now they want it, but officially it isn't theirs yet.

 

[Del Boy]

This is where the Jews came in and this is why they take care of themselves IMHO. If it were not for outside interference from regimes using the situation to enhance their own ambitions, they would have long ago have settled matters IMHO.

 

[senojekips]

It is destruction alright, because all the land on earth is already distributed exept for a tiny place called Palestine. It was given to the Palestinians (well, Syrians in fact) but they refused it and now they want it, but officially it isn't theirs yet.

Distributed?... and by who's authority?

We've been over this before. The land was occupied by it's native people, so Terra Nullius did not apply.

What the bloody hell is that all about; what are you babbling about? Who, what, when. Get it translated into English and I will be more than happy to respond.

English?... You were using Islamic terminology, obviously you are trying to assimilate. Don't worry, they will have out bred you in the next few score years, your attempts to fit in will be appreciated by them. :lol:

I had hoped you might provide a sensible explanation as to how you reconcile your existence in Australia to your stance on the Israelis.

Your Alzheimer's must be a b@stard for you. You can't remember what happened during the cold war, now you have forgotten that the Australian people have already undertaken active reconciliation with it's owners, making a formal apology and recognising their ownership of the land in law and also undertaking an on going payment for the use of the land.

All of this, even though it was not actually illegally occupied by Australians,... it was, if I remember correctly occupied by,..... (Wait for it)..... The English!

 

[VDKMS]

They can have Israel wherever they want, so long as they don't occupy the land of another people.

Israel is where it always has been and they don't occupy land from other people. It used to be Ottoman, but that doesn't exist anymore. And it has been Israel before.

If they set it up in England or the US with permission, I would have no objection.

It was set up where it is now with the permission of the UN (On May 11 1949, Israel was admitted, to become the 59th member of the UN). The US recognized Israel on May 14, 1948 and Britain on January 29, 1949.

 

[VDKMS]

Distributed?... and by who's authority?
We've been over this before. The land was occupied by it's native people, so Terra Nullius did not apply.

Yes, and its native people were Jews, loooong before there was any word of Palestinians.

 

[senojekips]

Israel is where it always has been and they don't occupy land from other people. It used to be Ottoman, but that doesn't exist anymore. And it has been Israel before.

And it belonged to the forebears of it's present native people before that. You still don't understand the difference between owners and occupiers do you? We've done all this before haven't we?

It was set up where it is now with the permission of the UN (On May 11 1949, Israel was admitted, to become the 59th member of the UN). The US recognized Israel on May 14, 1948 and Britain on January 29, 1949.

Nowhere in the UN Charter has it the right to give away the land already owned by another people.

 

[hamidreza]

If other races thought about the land as you Jews, human race would have been disappeared many years ago by war.

 

[senojekips]

If other races thought about the land as you Jews, human race would have been disappeared many years ago by war.

They did until about the time of WWII, after which it was made illegal under a number of International conventions to acquire land by force of arms.

• Major Legal Principle Violated -
  • 1. Acquisition of Territory by Military Conquest is Illegal
  • 2. Occupation (either Legal or Illegal) is Generally Temporary and Must Never Lead To Sovereignty over Occupied or Conquered Lands of the Enemy People or Nation.

Source: http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/

 

[YuriBierazo]

A moderator needs to close down this Topic. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[senojekips]

Yeah, I've said all of this previously (probably a dozen times) To this end I have moved half of my last post to another topic and won't bother continuing here.

The fact remains that Greece did refuse to partake in the Israeli maneuvers, and so would anyone else with a skerrick of morality and/or reason. No amount of ex facto debate will change it.

 

[Del Boy]

English?... You were using Islamic terminology, obviously you are trying to assimilate. Don't worry, they will have out bred you in the next few score years, your attempts to fit in will be appreciated by them. :lol:

I'll be like you then.

However, if you were speaking of of legitimate rights, I have always made it clear here that there are three sides to every argument and that I supported the 2 state solution and peace in the region, I have not claimed that the Palestinians had no case. You, on the other hand, just about squealed at the very thought of peaceful settlement. So in no way have I changed my stance.

I have already dismissed your sad cold war stunt- did you forget so soon, or is it trouble with the reading also. All you have to do is check my recent posts, and then you can catch up. Just like when I jogged your memory about the hypocracy of your criticism of the Israelis when you have no claim whatsoever to your occupation of Australia. I also jogged your memory regarding who dunnit- yes, of course - it was ENGLAND. There you go - now that didn't hurt did it. But it sure hurt your indigenous people. Would you like me to remind you on that score. I think that would be more useful than concentrating on the Cold War, don't you reckon.

I promise not to keep repeating the same mantra, as you do. As Lee posted, the Greeks have far to much baggage to deal with extra problems at this time.

 

[RayManKiller3]

Yeah, I've said all of this previously (probably a dozen times) To this end I have moved half of my last post to another topic and won't bother continuing here.

The fact remains that Greece did refuse to partake in the Israeli maneuvers.

Yes, Greece indeed declined to do joint maneuvers, but not because of what you said. Greece do not enjoy the economic conditions necessary to fight against any Arab state or waste money on a simple show of might. I will have you know Greece is fully willing to cooperate with Israel due to its relations with Turkey.

This is exactly what happened during the war against Israel during 1973. Many countries (the western ones particularly) were willing to aide Israel with supplies, but were held hostage by a potential Arab oil embargo that few countries (like U.S) could resist. Despite this threat, some other countries including U.S aided Israel.

 

[VDKMS]

And it belonged to the forebears of it's present native people before that. You still don't understand the difference between owners and occupiers do you? We've done all this before haven't we?

How can you be an occupier if you are a citizen of that country?
Yes, we've done all this before and you still don't get it.

Nowhere in the UN Charter has it the right to give away the land already owned by another people.

The UN charter has nothing to do with it. "Another people" didn't own anything, it was called the Ottoman Empire and governed by the Ottoman Government. The people living in the Ottoman Empire had to apply by the laws of that empire.
After that period it was tne British wit a mandate that ruled. They decided what laws the people had to abide by.

Here are some new sovereign states:

Saudi Arabia : Kingdom of Nejd and Hejaz recognized as independent in Treaty of Jeddah (1927)
Iraq : Kingdom (1932)
Lebanon : Independence from France declared (1941)
Jordan : End of the British Mandate for Palestine (1946)
Israel : Declaration of Independence (1948)
Syria : End of the United Arab Republic (1961)

And there are many, many more. None was founded because of "the people that owned the land". No matter what you say or what you do or what you think, Israel is an official sovereign state accepted by the UN and by that legitimate. And the people that you call "the owners of the land" are now Israeli citizens who have to comply to Israeli laws. Whether you like it or not.

 

[VDKMS]

If other races thought about the land as you Jews, human race would have been disappeared many years ago by war.

First, I'm not a Jew, Seno is one.
Second look up on the internet on what Jews achieved, and then compare that to Arabs or even your country. Do you have an Einstein? Spielberg? Kasparov (born Weinstein)? Goldman from Goldman Sachs? And I can go on and on.

 

[VDKMS]

They did until about the time of WWII, after which it was made illegal under a number of International conventions to acquire land by force of arms.

That's what the Arabs tried to do, they attacked a newly born legitimate state called Israel. They miscalculated very badly and lost. Israel occupies some territory but it is not illegal because it was done out of defense.