EU Holds Out Prospect of End to China Arms Embargo

[antimili]

You are not totally wrong, but you know, democracy is that type of government where fair elections are taken on a shared term, where people are allowed the freedom of speech, religion, fair trial in a court, freedom of thought, press, expression, where the media themselves are free, where majority rules, where human rights are not violated, private property is granted.

There is no negotiable difference on this, mate.

Democracy may be adapted and versatile, but adaptibility and versatility of the term should not become an alibi for covert dictatorship.

China does not fulfill any of the above stated criteria.

what do you mean fair elections while you can get 50$ gift by voting for kerry. and $100 for bush. if you have seen the movie "15 minutes" you will know what was like living in democracy. the murderer commit series of crime and get away with it by hiring the best lawyer.

 

[godofthunder9010]

If you're going to disagree with something Italian Guy said, disagree already. What he said is essentially true.

Buying votes is something that does happen in democracies, but $50 or even $100 isn't much incentive to change your vote for the candidate you strongly believe in. Also, any attempt to pay out on that sort of thing is gonna land somebody in prison cuz its against the law.

 

[A Can of Man]

The Chinese political system has changed numerously over the times. Like you won't believe!
In fact speaking of their old culture, don't you remember it was Mao with his cultural revolution that tried to destroy it?
The China that survived throughout the millenia were kingdoms... absolute monarchies.

Either way... if Europe starts selling weapons or weapons tech to China it's a first step implying they are becoming allies. And if they become allies... well I think we should redraw the lines of NATO.

 

[antimili]

If you're going to disagree with something Italian Guy said, disagree already. What he said is essentially true.

Buying votes is something that does happen in democracies, but $50 or even $100 isn't much incentive to change your vote for the candidate you strongly believe in. Also, any attempt to pay out on that sort of thing is gonna land somebody in prison cuz its against the law.

maybe it's not very big incentive for someone rich like you. that's by no mean the only incentive the two party use to gain their vote. there's far more than that. just trying to give a example. finding thos pop up quite anoying, so bring it up in this topic. as you can see their very many disadvantage of 2 party system in democracy.

 

[antimili]

The Chinese political system has changed numerously over the times. Like you won't believe!
In fact speaking of their old culture, don't you remember it was Mao with his cultural revolution that tried to destroy it?
The China that survived throughout the millenia were kingdoms... absolute monarchies.

Either way... if Europe starts selling weapons or weapons tech to China it's a first step implying they are becoming allies. And if they become allies... well I think we should redraw the lines of NATO.

i think EU is going to have a very rosy future with china as its trade with china grow enormously, to a degree even surpassing its trade with usa side. those two has to work together to counter the usa's world dominance. the usa alone has more than 50% of world military budget. together with its ally japan being the second. there's no single country could challenge those 2. exerpt EU+china, so they has a say in politics

 

[Italian Guy]

You are not totally wrong, but you know, democracy is that type of government where fair elections are taken on a shared term, where people are allowed the freedom of speech, religion, fair trial in a court, freedom of thought, press, expression, where the media themselves are free, where majority rules, where human rights are not violated, private property is granted.

There is no negotiable difference on this, mate.

Democracy may be adapted and versatile, but adaptibility and versatility of the term should not become an alibi for covert dictatorship.

China does not fulfill any of the above stated criteria.

what do you mean fair elections while you can get 50$ gift by voting for kerry. and $100 for bush. if you have seen the movie "15 minutes" you will know what was like living in democracy. the murderer commit series of crime and get away with it by hiring the best lawyer.

Paying citizens for voting is against the law. Being a lawyer is a job.
Have you discovered any better system than liberaldemocracy dude?

Fair elections means allow Fahrenheit 911 to come out in theaters legally just weeks before elections. Democracy means you can write what you want on a forum like this.
Buy your paper, be a journalist and say what you think, leave your country, come back, say Bush is a criminal and get away with it WITHOUT a good lawyer 8) cuz that's freedom of speech.
Sounds like you don't even have a clue on what living in a democracy is all about.

 

[antimili]

You are not totally wrong, but you know, democracy is that type of government where fair elections are taken on a shared term, where people are allowed the freedom of speech, religion, fair trial in a court, freedom of thought, press, expression, where the media themselves are free, where majority rules, where human rights are not violated, private property is granted.

There is no negotiable difference on this, mate.

Democracy may be adapted and versatile, but adaptibility and versatility of the term should not become an alibi for covert dictatorship.

China does not fulfill any of the above stated criteria.

what do you mean fair elections while you can get 50$ gift by voting for kerry. and $100 for bush. if you have seen the movie "15 minutes" you will know what was like living in democracy. the murderer commit series of crime and get away with it by hiring the best lawyer.

Paying citizens for voting is against the law. Being a lawyer is a job.
Have you discovered any better system than liberaldemocracy dude?

Fair elections means allow Fahrenheit 911 to come out in theaters legally just weeks before elections. Democracy means you can write what you want on a forum like this.
Buy your paper, be a journalist and say what you think, leave your country, come back, say Bush is a criminal and get away with it WITHOUT a good lawyer 8) cuz that's freedom of speech.
Sounds like you don't even have a clue on what living in a democracy is all about.

I don't have clue what was like living in a democracy I was living in that system.
I know what you saying by fair election or freedom of whatever. in which any body can do whatever they like without being held responsible. It's like leaving your kids do whatever they like. getting a hands on drug or any criminal activities and without keeping porno site away from your kids. especially when the internet is flooded by all kinds of pornagraphy with popup. at this point, i still favor the limited freedom of china than the unlimited freedom of usa sponsored democracy.

 

[Italian Guy]

at this point, i still favor the limited freedom of china than the unlimited freedom of usa sponsored democracy.

Hey you can favor whatever system you want, man, but once you go red you never come back (cuz they won't let you ).
Enjoy.

 

[antimili]

well, i said nothing about red. do you think anything except democracy is red. what i am saying is i am kind against that wild freedom, sex violence anything you could possibly think of. killing people without being executed. getting aways with it by spending some million bucks

 

[godofthunder9010]

maybe it's not very big incentive for someone rich like you

I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination. I've heard that $100 goes a long ways in other countries, but in the USA itself, it doesn't buy very much. My monthly rent for my apartment is $640 per month -- pretty good for my area. That doesn't count food, electricity, water and all the other utilities. I am only barely able to make enough money to pay for everything. I have a couple nice things from back when I was making decent money, but it doesn't help us. $100 would be a lovely gift, but I spend more money than that on gasoline for driving my car to and from work (25 miles from my apartment and no mass trasit goes there). $100 isn't much money from my point of view.

 

[FlyingFrog]

The "ban" will be lifted within 1 year.

Btw, does 1 or 2 years really matter? Not at all.

Can't say the "ban" is smart, I do see some big jobs will lose if no deal or less deals can be made. Lay off your own men, PRC produces its own weapon, and since less money spent on buying thus more money for own R&D, quite good thing for PLA.

 

[A Can of Man]

EU + China.. .we'll see how such a combination works out.

The Chinese political system has changed numerously over the times. Like you won't believe!
In fact speaking of their old culture, don't you remember it was Mao with his cultural revolution that tried to destroy it?
The China that survived throughout the millenia were kingdoms... absolute monarchies.

Either way... if Europe starts selling weapons or weapons tech to China it's a first step implying they are becoming allies. And if they become allies... well I think we should redraw the lines of NATO.

i think EU is going to have a very rosy future with china as its trade with china grow enormously, to a degree even surpassing its trade with usa side. those two has to work together to counter the usa's world dominance. the usa alone has more than 50% of world military budget. together with its ally japan being the second. there's no single country could challenge those 2. exerpt EU+china, so they has a say in politics

 

[PLAbuddy]

if this ban really got lifted..
china will get more advanced weapons with lower cost (compared to russian weapons)

espeically those german engines , i like them very much

chinese tanks' engines are not so good

 

[MadeInChina]

germany should give chian soem leopard II tanks and chopbam armor technology, thereby giving the chiense a powerful kick