ok, let me get things straight...the bible speaks of all nations turning their backs on Israel, and that's exactly what MIGHT happend...true Israel has many issues, as it has many enemies, but the truth is the treaty we have with Israel, can be dissolved..if that happends, the end will surely come..at least thats what the bible states..still it's scary.
BTW could someone tell me why hardly anyone votes Republican in Washington DC?
And your wrong in any event, I dont think we have ever lived in a greater climate of fear than the one created by Bush, at least not in my lifetime. At least with the global warming issue there is good reason to be scared. There is a far greater reason to be worried about the polar icecaps melting and causing catastrophic damage to the planet, then a small group of religous crazies hiding in their cave as suggested by the current administration.
SJ .............I think I'll wait until the final figures are in.
Monty ............You know looking at the percentage difference in the final result I think McCain ran the better campaign of the two, given the disparity in finances and the fact that he had to contend with being linked to one of most unpopular administrations in history only finishing 5% behind Obama was an exceptional effort.
I am of the opinion that had McCain chosen a more mainstream running mate with a little bit more political experience and some appeal to the middle of the road voter he would have won.
Monty ............
I totally disagree ... America could NOT afford another term of GW Bush "politics as usual".
That is what McCain represented - more of the same ... and ... the voters knew that ... which is why the election WAS so lopsided (remember it is the Electoral College vote that counts ... not the popular vote). In this case though, the Electoral College vote and the popular vote [by at least 8.2 million votes], was won by the same candidate ... and ... those number are nothing to be sneezed at (it doesn't require sneezing powder to figure this one).
Monty ...........................Yeah although when determining the popularity of a candidate I do not believe you can use the electoral college "all or nothing" approach as a true measure.
The reality of this election is that Obama should have won it in a landslide McCain had everything going against him including being outspent by in places 8 to 1 and the popular vote does not translate into a landslide for Obama.
TOG and Chief Bones.
Everyone here knows I am no fan of the President. However, I honestly think that McCain loss wasn't entirely due to George W Bush. Yes Bush was a considerable drag on the Campaign but that would have been true of ANY candidate the GOP nominated. But McCain made some very serious gaffes that he was severely punished for by the electorate. These include:
1. His denial that the economy was in dire straights. His "the fundamentals of the the economy are strong" statement proved his earlier statement of "I am not not an economist" eerily correct. How out of touch does one have to be to make a statement like that at watch the Stock market tumble 700pts 2 days later. By the end of that very same week he "suspended" his campaign in order to "save" the economy. In other words on Monday that October he thought the Economy was fine, but by Thursday he's racing to Washington to save it. Not only did he came-off as being the same type of reality-denier as Bush it was one of the worst campaign ploys ever used, and was so blatenly obvious that even the GOP radio pundits were neither fooled nor amused.
2. The dirty tricks, smears, and half-truths told about Obama left a nasty taste in everyone's mouth. It was so bad that even KARL ROVE wrote a op-ed about it, saying that McCain was stretching the 100%-truth test (Roves own words). That stuff worked in 2000 and 2004, but by 2006 it was clear that people had caught on and didn't like to those types of cheap shots, why McCain continued to use negative tactics when they didn't work for Hillary Clinton earlier this year is beyond me.
3. The BIG ONE. The Sarah Palin nomination. I remember having a discussion with a moderator here about this, I knew that this was the nail in the coffin for the McCain campaign. Instead of picking a Intelligent, experienced moderate like Kaine, Romney or even Lieberman. He chose a far-right wing radical, who was not only under a ethics investigation cloud, but had absolutly with no experience IN ANYTHING outside of Alaska. And while her nomination was a obvious high-five to the religious radicals, the average US citizen with pocketbook problems was less than amused to say the least. AND WORSE, this woman had her own political agenda which actively impeded McCain Campaign. There were times I thought Palin was a Democrat operative because she did more damage to the McCain campaign than Obama did, I mean just look at the Katie Couric interview...that disaster was like the sinking of the Titanic. To pick a person whose views so closely resembled Bush in almost everything but sex, it was simply hitting the AUTO-DESTRUCTION button of his campaign.
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