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I was watching the presidental speech today and half way through it WSVN 7 News cut off the feed and went back to their regualr broadcast. I checked out the other news channels and they did the samething. My cable has been out so I don't have Fox News at the present moment.

Luckly I am able to get the rest of the President's speech over the radio station 610 WIOD. Which is a clear channel station. They broadcast Fox News as their news source.


The President is speaking about the prison camps and how those captured don't fall under any treaty because they are terrorist not soldiers. But of course since there is liberal control of most news media they will do anything in their power too turn the opinions of the American people to go against the war on terror and the war in Iraq.
 
I think it was also interesting that he said that the reason Gitmo was never closed was because other countries refused to take back their nationals. I think he expressed a desire to bring these people to justice for the crimes they committed and before they can commit any more crimes in the future.
 
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DTop[/LEFT];248685]I think it was also interesting that he said that the reason
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Why would they want them back, its been a great way to get rid of unwanted dissidents.
 
Its a real problem.

Here in France I think there are 2 or 3 guys the French most definatly doesnt want back. These guys are not the hardcore group of terrorists, but they still represent a unwelcomed influance of Hardcore Islam back in France. These are the guys that bully other law abiding moderate Muslims into Sheria law or who commit anti-Semetic violence or other crimes. The french fight tooth and nail to expel these guys. The trouble is their families who are citizens are putting diplomatic pressure on Chirac to get them released. So far neither the UMP (center-right) or the Socialists (center-left) wont do it, but some of the far left group might. Fortunatly they are a small fring group and it looks like Sarkozy will win the next election (May 2007). Which mean the Government will crack down on extremists living here even more.
 
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mmarsh, it is really conflict. These guys should be returned based on law,but not on sentiment. But partly law serves for politics. hehe, law,politics,sentiment.
 
Interesting, I never thought about the ones that their countries would not want them back. I suppose that is another case of the obvious being too obvious......or something ;)
 
Can't my cable TV is still out. It has been seven days already. I'm thinkin of switching companies.
 
It seems to me that no matter what the US does it will be the wrong thing to do in international eyes.

So here is my suggestion: In their next meal place a dose of sleeping medication that will knock them out for good. When they fall asleep give them a lethal injection.

Sounds extreme huh? It is quite humane actually. No long leading up to it. Nothing special about their meal. Nothing whatsoever to indicate that they are to be killed. They will die peacefully and calm without any undue stress or panic. No long drawn out trial that may ultimately lead them to death behind bars anyway.

Yeah extreme, but if their own countries don't want them back what the heck should the US do with them? Cost taxpayers millions of dollars over the course of time to feed, house, clothe, provide entertainment, legal counsel and in some cases even higher education?
 
Actually they should close Gitmo. Gitmo is bad PR for us and good PR for the terrorists. The whole world knows where Gitmo is, but they dont know whats going on in Damascus, Syria. Or a dozen so other hidden places.

What you are all forgetting is as satisfying as it would be to squeeze the life slowly out of these people, it would not be the best use of them. Dead men tell no tales.

I forget where I saw it, but on TV I saw one of these old CIA guys say that the best Intel they get is when they 'flip' these hardcases. The goal is to make them feel that THEY are the victim and that they were betrayed by their Terrorist leaders. Its sort of a stockholm syndrome where the terrorists identify with their captors. A person who willingly gives information provides much better intel than those under torture. There was one example this agent said where the flip had been so successful that the ex-terrorist was eutheuiastic about betraying his old friends. They nearly had to shoot him to get him to stop talking.

BUT THIS TAKE TIME! You cannot expect one of these fanatics who undergone years of political and religous brainwashing to switch sides just because we dangle a carrot or two in front of them. It can take years of working them over in order from them to trust you.
 
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I say tie the terrorist up to a tree. Put a paper bag over their head and fire off a blank beside them. Let them crap their pants and freak out on international television. Yeah, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX News, BBC, and Aljazeera.

And when the next scumbags comes on and says he knows it's a blank. Fire off a real round into his little dirty head. Tell the world on international television that it's a lottery. You might get the blank or you might get a real round into the head.
 
Marinerhodes said:
It seems to me that no matter what the US does it will be the wrong thing to do in international eyes.

So here is my suggestion: In their next meal place a dose of sleeping medication that will knock them out for good. When they fall asleep give them a lethal injection.

Sounds extreme huh? It is quite humane actually. No long leading up to it. Nothing special about their meal. Nothing whatsoever to indicate that they are to be killed. They will die peacefully and calm without any undue stress or panic. No long drawn out trial that may ultimately lead them to death behind bars anyway.

Yeah extreme, but if their own countries don't want them back what the heck should the US do with them? Cost taxpayers millions of dollars over the course of time to feed, house, clothe, provide entertainment, legal counsel and in some cases even higher education?
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I think you are being a little paranoid here, I seriously doubt the international community gives a flying rats arse what you do with terrorists what they dont like is that a sizable number of those locked up have not been proven to be terrorists.
I will try and make a simple analogy:
Joe Smoe is arrested in downtown Insurgentistan, put on trial and found guilty of being a terrorist in a fair trial he is sentenced be hung by the nuts [insert brutal punishment of choice here] until dead and the world doesnt care infact people go wohoo one less terrorist.

On the other side of the coin Joe Smoe is arrested in downtown Insurgentistan, put in a cell in Cuba and left there forced to listen to country music 24 hours a day [insert hideous music of choice here] until he hangs himself. The world looks at this and goes hmm this is not above board and in fact brings back some very stalinist memories [insert dodgy dictatorship that is usually being pressured by the US to stop of choice here].

The upshot is killing terrorists = good, locking suspects up and throwing away the key = bad.

As for those governments that dont want these people back well I say to bad they get them anyway after all I am pretty sure they are not releasing people they consider a danger.
 
MontyB said:
I think you are being a little paranoid here, I seriously doubt the international community gives a flying rats arse what you do with terrorists what they dont like is that a sizable number of those locked up have not been proven to be terrorists.
I will try and make a simple analogy:
Joe Smoe is arrested in downtown Insurgentistan, put on trial and found guilty of being a terrorist in a fair trial he is sentenced be hung by the nuts [insert brutal punishment of choice here] until dead and the world doesnt care infact people go wohoo one less terrorist.

On the other side of the coin Joe Smoe is arrested in downtown Insurgentistan, put in a cell in Cuba and left there forced to listen to country music 24 hours a day [insert hideous music of choice here] until he hangs himself. The world looks at this and goes hmm this is not above board and in fact brings back some very stalinist memories [insert dodgy dictatorship that is usually being pressured by the US to stop of choice here].

The upshot is killing terrorists = good, locking suspects up and throwing away the key = bad.

As for those governments that dont want these people back well I say to bad they get them anyway after all I am pretty sure they are not releasing people they consider a danger.
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I agree to this to a point. Gathering evidence can sometimes be a time consuming activity. I am not saying that they should be kept locked up indefinitely.

So what do we do with them? Put them on an airplane, escort them to their home of origin and turn them loose to customs? What if customs refuses to take custody of them? What if the country refuses to let them off the plane?

If a country refuses to take a criminal back there is no real way we can force them to do so without creating some kind of international incident.

I don't think I am being paranoid at all.

There is that old saying "You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. You can never please all of the people all of the time."

This is a fantastic example of that.
 
Marinerhodes said:
I agree to this to a point. Gathering evidence can sometimes be a time consuming activity. I am not saying that they should be kept locked up indefinitely.
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I think you are over looking one small point these are people that are being released because they are not considered dangerous, there are no charges against them therefore its their country of origins problem, if they have an issue with them (ie ex-Taleban) then it is the their problem to sort out. Its not like I see them looking for a home for bin Laden in Saudi Arabia these are just the little guys.
So what do we do with them? Put them on an airplane, escort them to their home of origin and turn them loose to customs? What if customs refuses to take custody of them? What if the country refuses to let them off the plane?
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Pretty much yes.
 If they refuse to let them off the plane just refuse to take them back in the end the problem will sort itself out one way or another.
Seriously I dont care if you have to drop them out of a plane at 30000 feet, 12 miles offshore with a parachute and a rubber dingy or catapult them over the border from Pakistan, hell the Mexicans seem great at tunnel digging hire a few of them.

If a country refuses to take a criminal back there is no real way we can force them to do so without creating some kind of international incident.
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What and you dont think taking them out of the country in the first place has caused international incidents.
 
5.56X45mm said:
I say tie the terrorist up to a tree. Put a paper bag over their head and fire off a blank beside them. Let them crap their pants and freak out on international television. Yeah, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX News, BBC, and Aljazeera.

And when the next scumbags comes on and says he knows it's a blank. Fire off a real round into his little dirty head. Tell the world on international television that it's a lottery. You might get the blank or you might get a real round into the head.
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Well that will certainly bring us one step closer to winning the war on terror! :rolleyes:
 
MontyB said:
[/b]I think you are over looking one small point these are people that are being released because they are not considered dangerous, there are no charges against them therefore its their country of origins problem, if they have an issue with them (ie ex-Taleban) then it is the their problem to sort out. Its not like I see them looking for a home for bin Laden in Saudi Arabia these are just the little guys.


Pretty much yes.
If they refuse to let them off the plane just refuse to take them back in the end the problem will sort itself out one way or another.
Seriously I dont care if you have to drop them out of a plane at 30000 feet, 12 miles offshore with a parachute and a rubber dingy or catapult them over the border from Pakistan, hell the Mexicans seem great at tunnel digging hire a few of them.



What and you dont think taking them out of the country in the first place has caused international incidents.
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You are correct, these are people being released. They are screaming about those that aren't released. That do pose a threat or are criminals in their country of origin.

As for international incidents in removing them from their home countries? Heck, seems to me people were happy or at least indifferent as heck that they were apprehended before they committed a terrorist act. I vaguely recall something about Italy. . .

Give me a solution to this scenario then:

Prisoners on a chartered plane transported to say...Germany (no offense just a country picked at random and I have no idea of the laws in Germany). The plane lands and authorities are standing by. They will not allow the prisoner or his escorts off the plane. What they will allow is for the plane to refuel and continue on to a different country or return from whence it came. So the plane continues on to Poland. Lands there and the Polish authorities won't let you past the Customs since the prisoner does not have a proper passport nor does he belong to that country nor can he claim any rights within that country since he is in the airplane and not on the actual ground. By now the international community is aware of what you are trying to do and have closed access to all their airports except for needed refueling and resupply. So, now what do you do?

There is a process to transporting criminals or people. Deportation to other countries or whatever name you wish to call it. If the country that is "supposed" to be taking them back does not want them then what do you do? If you just dump them off and leave them to their own devices then you are at fault for any harm or mischief they may cause.



Stop and think about it for a second or two. . . .

I imagine international headlines could possibly read:

USA returns suspected terrorists to their home of origins!!

The international community was shocked today when it learned that the USA returned suspected terrorists to their home countries. It is unclear why the USA just turned them loose and let them find their own way to wherever they wanted to go. The President and all political members were unavailable for comment.
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6 months to a year later. . .

Suspected terrorist kills thousands in <insert favortie country here>!!!

Suspected terrorists released from the USAs Guantanamo Bay detainment camp have struck <insert famous international hotspot here>. It is unclear why the attack occured but if the USA had released the persons to proper authorities or just not released them it would not have happened.
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I have said it before and will say it again. It seems no matter what happens in the international community you can almost bet your bottom dollar that if the US has anything at all to do with it we will get blamed in some form or fashion if it goes badly. If it goes well you will hardly hear a whisper.

Tell me I am wrong. Show me headlines where the US has been involved in anything good that has made international headlines. Of course you can't. It usually involves other countries as well and they all get the same credit for things. It may be that many of those countries only gave token assistance. It may be that the US only gave token assistance.

I triple dog dare you to show me where in the past 10 years the US has been given any kind of positive acclaim in the international community with no one at all to naysay what was done.
 
Marinerhodes said:
I have said it before and will say it again. It seems no matter what happens in the international community you can almost bet your bottom dollar that if the US has anything at all to do with it we will get blamed in some form or fashion if it goes badly. If it goes well you will hardly hear a whisper.

Tell me I am wrong. Show me headlines where the US has been involved in anything good that has made international headlines. Of course you can't. It usually involves other countries as well and they all get the same credit for things. It may be that many of those countries only gave token assistance. It may be that the US only gave token assistance.

I triple dog dare you to show me where in the past 10 years the US has been given any kind of positive acclaim in the international community with no one at all to naysay what was done.
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I think this is somewhat of a wasted effort as I am almost certain every other country involved is in exactly the same situation hell I havent recieved my xmas card from the Salvation Army and I think I deserve one for my $50 donation but then from an american view point its obvious they hate me?

Challenging someone to find an incidence of positive acclaim with no negatives is an impossibility as almost all involvement falls into the winners and losers catagory.

As for your triple dog dare... well I really cant be bothered looking too hard but a quick google threw this up so it will do as a "quick" response.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0304/09/lol.15.html
 
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