Ollie, I applaud you candor and will offer this, the only thing that separates a just form an unjust war is the side one finds oneself. What one culture or people find just another will find unjust. No simple answers.
bulldogg said:READ the entire articles mate, these are the highlights or are you unwilling to challenge your preconceived ideas?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001256/newsMarlene Dietrich spent her last years in disguise in order to avoid being recognised - not living as a Greta Garbo-like recluse The Hollywood star's very own personal chef, Markus Hauer, says she did not isolate herself from society in her Paris apartment, but would dress up and go out regularly. He says the German actress would dress as an American tourist and wear a beehive wig so that she could meet up with her friend Édith Piaf to eat and talk about past loves. He says, "She was full of life, in no way a tragic or broken figure." However Hauer does admit Dietrich's only great sadness was that she did not get to explain herself to her fellow Germans before she died. While Dietrich was carving out her career in Hollywood in the 1930s, Germany fell under the rule of the Nazis. Dietrich did not return to Germany until after the Second World War, when she wore an American uniform and was dismissed as a traitor to Germany. Hauer adds, "There was nothing more she wanted than to set things straight with the Germans, to tell them that she did not go to America for political reasons and was not posing as a self- righteous prophet when she returned."
bulldogg said:The man is a traitor. I believe my dislike of him as a person is quite justified. I dismiss his ideas as well because in my opinion a man who doesn't follow his own advice to others is not to be listened to about anything.
Since you're not American Loki I have hunted and found the following example that is German in nature.
bulldogg said:We'll have to agree to disagree because the jury has rendered the verdict on Chomsky as far as I am concerned. As for Dietrich, I'm just trying to provide a culturally significant example of someone some people wouldn't consider a traitor but most Germans of her day did. Quite similar to how a number of people in the US feel about the traitors who worked for the North Vietnamese in the 60's and 70's of which Chomsky was one.
If, for example, the United States government (or any government) only uses law to control foreign powers, what does that tell us about morality? Not really objective, huh.
As for Dietrich, I'm just trying to provide a culturally significant example of someone some people wouldn't consider a traitor but most Germans of her day did. Quite similar to how a number of people in the US feel about the traitors who worked for the North Vietnamese in the 60's and 70's of which Chomsky was one.
God damnit Cabal. I did not say Dietrich alienating herself was culturally significant did I? No, I said that the issue with Chomsky and Americans is correlated in German culture with Dietrich and Germans. A culturally significant parralell ffs. Tracking now or is the cultural rift too great?
No its a good comparison. I didnt get it first. So you're saying you're condemnation of Chomsky is emotionally rather than rationally motivated. Just like the condemnation of M.D. didn't really go with the general public opinion on nazism at that time?
With all due respect, its not your country so I don't expect you to understand.