Best tank in the world.
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diplomatic_means
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DO you mean M1A2 Abrams or just the pair of M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams?
Redneck
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The M1A2 not only is the best tank on paper, but its proven combat abilities and sturdiness make it one heck of a machine.
I don't have the time to write a complete essay on the comparative qualities and numbers relating to all of these tanks (some of which to be honest I have never heard of before), but the Abrams is better than them all, and I am never wrong.
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I don't have the time to write a complete essay on the comparative qualities and numbers relating to all of these tanks (some of which to be honest I have never heard of before), but the Abrams is better than them all, and I am never wrong.
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diplomatic_means
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Ok as I had nothing better to do, I compared all the tanks as best I could using army-technology.com. And I would say the best tank does not belong to the Americans, Brits, or Germans. Though its hard to compare the American tank since its the only one not measured in the metric system, though I know enough about the comparison rate to insure it is not the fastest or the one with the most range. The M1A2 is so close to the Challenger they aren't worth comparing.
The Leopard seems to be the fastest with most range though it doesn't say much about its armor other than its made so the fragmentation cone is narrowed with its current armor. I think all the others have advanced enough armor to not allow a fragmentation cone at all for the most part.
The Leclerc had the most impressive targeting sytem. The digital fire control system allows the gunner or commander to select six different targets to be engaged in just over 30 seconds. The system's digital computer allows realtime treatment of data from the tank's sensors and sights. It also has a laser warner, missile warner, and infrared jammer. the Leclerc and T80U semi-automatic loading with the Leclerc able to fire 12 rounds per minute and the T80U able to fire 8 rounds per minute. The Leclerc though had a small small payload for ammunition.
The T80U is very similar to the Leclerc. The T80U has the largest gun at 125mm and the gun can also launch anti tank guided missiles at tanks or even lowflying helicopters. The T80U has 28 round carousel clips and a 48 round payload. The T80U has the same countermeasures available to it as the Leclerc and one less 7.62mm gun than the M1A2.
The Merkava 4 is similar to the T80U except with 2 7.62mm guns and a mortar instead of a .50cal gun. It has the typical 120mm main gun it carries the same amount of ammo as the T80U 48 and has 10 round clips that get fed into the main gun. It's fire control system is able to lock onto moving targets even while it is on the move including helicopters. The tank is protected against a range of threats, including air launched precision guided missiles and advanced and top attack anti-tank weapons. The underside of the hull has been fitted with additional armour protection against mines.
SO I would say its between the T80U and the Merkava 4 only because the Leclerc wont do that well under French command. If it were under any other country's command it would also be tied.
The Leopard seems to be the fastest with most range though it doesn't say much about its armor other than its made so the fragmentation cone is narrowed with its current armor. I think all the others have advanced enough armor to not allow a fragmentation cone at all for the most part.
The Leclerc had the most impressive targeting sytem. The digital fire control system allows the gunner or commander to select six different targets to be engaged in just over 30 seconds. The system's digital computer allows realtime treatment of data from the tank's sensors and sights. It also has a laser warner, missile warner, and infrared jammer. the Leclerc and T80U semi-automatic loading with the Leclerc able to fire 12 rounds per minute and the T80U able to fire 8 rounds per minute. The Leclerc though had a small small payload for ammunition.
The T80U is very similar to the Leclerc. The T80U has the largest gun at 125mm and the gun can also launch anti tank guided missiles at tanks or even lowflying helicopters. The T80U has 28 round carousel clips and a 48 round payload. The T80U has the same countermeasures available to it as the Leclerc and one less 7.62mm gun than the M1A2.
The Merkava 4 is similar to the T80U except with 2 7.62mm guns and a mortar instead of a .50cal gun. It has the typical 120mm main gun it carries the same amount of ammo as the T80U 48 and has 10 round clips that get fed into the main gun. It's fire control system is able to lock onto moving targets even while it is on the move including helicopters. The tank is protected against a range of threats, including air launched precision guided missiles and advanced and top attack anti-tank weapons. The underside of the hull has been fitted with additional armour protection against mines.
SO I would say its between the T80U and the Merkava 4 only because the Leclerc wont do that well under French command. If it were under any other country's command it would also be tied.
diplomatic_means
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Probably but what I've posted is now the new extent of my knowledge about tanks.
GuyontheRight
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Yea those autoloaders do stink, but the key ith tanks today IMHO is the shell you use, obviously those nations that use depleted uranium have a distinct advantage.
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I'd go for the Challenger 2. No one has voted for it and to me, it's the best going. I've been inside them and sat a whole week of learning about modern warfare & armour which included the Challenger 2. We learned about M1A2 aswell but the Challenger 2 sounded better.
My vote would be for Challenger but i can't vote
My vote would be for Challenger but i can't vote
ThirteenFox
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remember when the T-64 autoloaders would try to stuff the gunners leg into the breech?
GuyontheRight
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Dumb Tree Huggers said it hurt the freken environment and they didnt even have any freken proof. :evil:
Redneck
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What's that?
Oh, a note on depleted uranium, some liberal activist groups claim that they have caused extensive radiation poisoning in the theaters that they were used in. I happened across the website of one of these groups and they had a few pictures that they claimed were victims from Bosnia and Croatia and the depleted uranium rounds used over there. One problem with the pictures was that every single victim in them was a Kurd. The photographs were from Saddam's gasing of the Kurds in Northern Iraq. If I can find the website again, I'll post the link.
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Nevermind, apparently there's a load of people with websites who are idiots. :lol: If you're interested, just search for "depleted uranium"+"nuclear war"
Some sergeant (regrettably American) has a site claiming that we used nuclear weapons in the first Gulf War and has a bunch of pictures that he claims prove it by showing "shadows" around decimated bodies. Apparently he's unaware of the whole dead bodies decaying phenomenon, which is strange, considering he has an EFMB. And the SOB claims to be a "credit to every unit he has served with."
Oh, a note on depleted uranium, some liberal activist groups claim that they have caused extensive radiation poisoning in the theaters that they were used in. I happened across the website of one of these groups and they had a few pictures that they claimed were victims from Bosnia and Croatia and the depleted uranium rounds used over there. One problem with the pictures was that every single victim in them was a Kurd. The photographs were from Saddam's gasing of the Kurds in Northern Iraq. If I can find the website again, I'll post the link.
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Nevermind, apparently there's a load of people with websites who are idiots. :lol: If you're interested, just search for "depleted uranium"+"nuclear war"
Some sergeant (regrettably American) has a site claiming that we used nuclear weapons in the first Gulf War and has a bunch of pictures that he claims prove it by showing "shadows" around decimated bodies. Apparently he's unaware of the whole dead bodies decaying phenomenon, which is strange, considering he has an EFMB. And the SOB claims to be a "credit to every unit he has served with."
GuyontheRight
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Wouldn't the idiot realize somthing as big as a nuke, even a tactical one at that can be seen by thousands of people miles away?
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