Italian Guy
Milforum Hitman
I do not think these polls are credible.
World Poll: Attitude Towards Countries
http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbcpoll06-3.html
here.
here.
Certainly, countries are too few to believe this vote.Italian Guy said:
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mmarsh
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Local Grizzly
Saying that 99% of the rest of the entire world is jealous is just sticking our hands in the sand. Could you image a school yard bully going around telling people that the school hates him because they are jealous of him, rather than admitting that he's a bully. Some of our resentment is based on envy (like China) I'll grant you that, but some of it is of our own making. And unfortunatly unless we owning up to it and correcting it, the situation is likely to continue.
What is wrong with out policy towad Isreal? Should we continue Hitler's work and help the mohammadens eliminate the Jews once and for all?
I am specifically referring to the Palestinean issue. We are seen as the backers of Isreal by the whole world as we provide $11 Billion in Military and Economic aid annually. Because of this Isreal is in a dominating position of any type of negiociation. Therefore we get blamed. What we need to do is put pressure on the Isrealis (as Bush I and Clinton did) so that we can find a permanent settlement. This almost succeeded in 2000, if it werent for the stupidity of Arafat. But Arafat is gone, we need to try again. The arabs have admitted that the resolution of Palestinean issue would go a long way in helping America's image in the world. Personally I am all for denying terrorist groups a few more anti-America volenteers...
Unfair trade policies? When we bend over backwards to be fair, and allow every two bit socialist country like France to take advantage of us?
Why do you think the Africans are so angry at us? This is a classic example, We loan money to poor African nations that are so desperate they sign anything for cash. We do this knowing full well they will default on their loans. In order to prevent declaring insolvant, these poor African nations are forced to sign trade agreements on agriculture that effectively puts their local farmers out of the market (makes our products cheaper than theirs). And since these farmers lack the resources to export their products abroad they are completely locked out of the market. And its not like these countries have the vast scale of resources as to compete on other markets Thats why you have people like Bono begging for African debt relief, because these African countries are almost enslaved by them. To be fair however the UN has criticized both the US and EU for doing this, I wont say its just America, the EU is guilty too.
And yes, Immigration has everything to do with it. Ninety percent of the world's population would live in the USA if they could.
I doubt you could get 90% of people on this board who would want to immigrate to America (visit perhaps). America is a place of vast opportunities, no doubt. But not everybody wants to move there, thats simple nonesense. As patriotic as you are to the United States, the Germans are to Germany, the French are to France, the British are to the UK etc.etc.etc... Did you know that many immigrants do not stay? They work/study in America for several years and then return home. There are also quiet a few Americans who work abroad (i.e yours truly).
Saying that 99% of the rest of the entire world is jealous is just sticking our hands in the sand. Could you image a school yard bully going around telling people that the school hates him because they are jealous of him, rather than admitting that he's a bully. Some of our resentment is based on envy (like China) I'll grant you that, but some of it is of our own making. And unfortunatly unless we owning up to it and correcting it, the situation is likely to continue.
What is wrong with out policy towad Isreal? Should we continue Hitler's work and help the mohammadens eliminate the Jews once and for all?
I am specifically referring to the Palestinean issue. We are seen as the backers of Isreal by the whole world as we provide $11 Billion in Military and Economic aid annually. Because of this Isreal is in a dominating position of any type of negiociation. Therefore we get blamed. What we need to do is put pressure on the Isrealis (as Bush I and Clinton did) so that we can find a permanent settlement. This almost succeeded in 2000, if it werent for the stupidity of Arafat. But Arafat is gone, we need to try again. The arabs have admitted that the resolution of Palestinean issue would go a long way in helping America's image in the world. Personally I am all for denying terrorist groups a few more anti-America volenteers...
Unfair trade policies? When we bend over backwards to be fair, and allow every two bit socialist country like France to take advantage of us?
Why do you think the Africans are so angry at us? This is a classic example, We loan money to poor African nations that are so desperate they sign anything for cash. We do this knowing full well they will default on their loans. In order to prevent declaring insolvant, these poor African nations are forced to sign trade agreements on agriculture that effectively puts their local farmers out of the market (makes our products cheaper than theirs). And since these farmers lack the resources to export their products abroad they are completely locked out of the market. And its not like these countries have the vast scale of resources as to compete on other markets Thats why you have people like Bono begging for African debt relief, because these African countries are almost enslaved by them. To be fair however the UN has criticized both the US and EU for doing this, I wont say its just America, the EU is guilty too.
And yes, Immigration has everything to do with it. Ninety percent of the world's population would live in the USA if they could.
I doubt you could get 90% of people on this board who would want to immigrate to America (visit perhaps). America is a place of vast opportunities, no doubt. But not everybody wants to move there, thats simple nonesense. As patriotic as you are to the United States, the Germans are to Germany, the French are to France, the British are to the UK etc.etc.etc... Did you know that many immigrants do not stay? They work/study in America for several years and then return home. There are also quiet a few Americans who work abroad (i.e yours truly).
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Damien435
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The only problem with India I see is that so many American jobs are being outsourced, but that is not India's fault, that is something the US needs to fix. I would have voted that India had a positive influence, world's largest democracy, the birth place of two religions, and a place where the different groups, religious or otherwise, appear to get along quite well. The only issue I hear of in India is Kashmir and I think that problem is geographical, not religious.
I can also see why the US would do worse than China in the eyes of many. We have more power and people are always skeptical of people in power. Bush as adopted an "FU!" policy towards foreign relations and since 9/11 we have for the first time in our history gone on the offensive and many people are scared by that.
I can also see why the US would do worse than China in the eyes of many. We have more power and people are always skeptical of people in power. Bush as adopted an "FU!" policy towards foreign relations and since 9/11 we have for the first time in our history gone on the offensive and many people are scared by that.
DTop
Active member
Questions
So what are you really saying mmarsh? Let's recap.
You say America is the world's bully?
You say America is wrong to loan money to African nations and actually expect to be repaid somewhere down the line?
You contend that the most of the world would not like to live in a place like America?
You implied that America should not support Israel as it does now? Instead you would rather have us coerce Israel into conceding to the Palestinian demands without any concessions on their part?
You seem to think peace in the Middle East is not up to the Middle Eastern people but it's up to the U.S.?
You also claim that American success doen't breed contempt in other countries?
Do I have all that correct?
So what are you really saying mmarsh? Let's recap.
You say America is the world's bully?
You say America is wrong to loan money to African nations and actually expect to be repaid somewhere down the line?
You contend that the most of the world would not like to live in a place like America?
You implied that America should not support Israel as it does now? Instead you would rather have us coerce Israel into conceding to the Palestinian demands without any concessions on their part?
You seem to think peace in the Middle East is not up to the Middle Eastern people but it's up to the U.S.?
You also claim that American success doen't breed contempt in other countries?
Do I have all that correct?
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mmarsh
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You say America is the world's bully?
As Global World bully? I dont think so, but alot of people do. The South American triumprant (Bolivia, Cuba and Venuzula would certainly say so), as would people in the ME. Thats 300+ milllion people right there. My point is when you have got so many people repeating the samething at a certain point one must look inwards rather than dismiss it as 'jealousy'. I do believe that SOME of our economic and foreign policies cause hardship for other countries (both intentional and unintentional), so its normal in my opinion that people dont like us.
You say America is wrong to loan money to African nations and actually expect to be repaid somewhere down the line?
Lending money to people in need with fair conditions is fine, lending people at interest rates they cannot possible pay back is called loansharking. In the case of Africa, they are broke, they suffer various plagues, bad climates, and often war. Almost entire continent is suffering a misery of one form or another. Therefore if we lend them money it should be on the expectation that they most likely WON'T be able to pay us back. So either we lend the money and dont expect to get repaid, or dont lend it to them in the first place. Its the strongarm tactics I oppose, but again America isnt alone in doing this, there is blame to go around.
You contend that the most of the world would not like to live in a place like America?
In a place LIKE America (keeping the same advantages, and perks) sure. Do I think 90% of the world wants to pack their suitcase and move there, sorry I dont. As Dorothy said "there's no place like home". I personally miss the USA because thats my home.
You implied that America should not support Israel as it does now? Instead you would rather have us coerce Israel into conceding to the Palestinian demands without any concessions on their part?
I would coerice Isreal back to negociating table, thats it. What happens after that is up to the diplomats. What I want is this issue resolved. Its been festering for 30 years its time to put it to bed. Unfortunatly thats not whats happening anymore. Unlike Clinton, Bush, and even Reagan, W has given the Isreali right wing hawks carte blanche to simply bypass negiociating. There hasnt been a single 1-1 negiociation since Barak left office. The result as been a catastophe, every single bit of progress between Isreal and the Palestineans in the past 15 years has been destroyed because of it. What we have now are the Isrealis basically making peace moves on their own (which is good), but they have only given up that which they knew they were going to lose anyway. The problem is they are about to hit a major obsticle when it comes to the West Bank, and Jerusalem as well as smaller issues like water, freedom of movement and border security. Unless the Palestineans are part of negociations Isreal will get no peace, and therefore neither will we.
You seem to think peace in the Middle East is not up to the Middle Eastern people but it's up to the U.S.?
Unfortuntly yes to a degree. We pull alot of strings in that part of the world Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan all these countries have powerful ties with Washington. Mind you, thats not a bad thing, because there are worse thing the Saudi Royal family and the other dictators of the region. There are even worse things than Saddam Hussein, like Iran with a nuclear weapon.
You also claim that American success doen't breed contempt in other countries?
Not everywhere, no. I'd say countries that would like to rival us as a Superpower such as Russia and China (espically the later) are prone to jealousy. In other parts of the world however contempt is bred for other reasons. 'Jelousy' is simply not 99% of the problems, to say that is to stick one head in the sand and ignore the problem.
Incidently, we France got a real treat as yesterday was the first night ever that the Superbowl was televised live on French TV.
As Global World bully? I dont think so, but alot of people do. The South American triumprant (Bolivia, Cuba and Venuzula would certainly say so), as would people in the ME. Thats 300+ milllion people right there. My point is when you have got so many people repeating the samething at a certain point one must look inwards rather than dismiss it as 'jealousy'. I do believe that SOME of our economic and foreign policies cause hardship for other countries (both intentional and unintentional), so its normal in my opinion that people dont like us.
You say America is wrong to loan money to African nations and actually expect to be repaid somewhere down the line?
Lending money to people in need with fair conditions is fine, lending people at interest rates they cannot possible pay back is called loansharking. In the case of Africa, they are broke, they suffer various plagues, bad climates, and often war. Almost entire continent is suffering a misery of one form or another. Therefore if we lend them money it should be on the expectation that they most likely WON'T be able to pay us back. So either we lend the money and dont expect to get repaid, or dont lend it to them in the first place. Its the strongarm tactics I oppose, but again America isnt alone in doing this, there is blame to go around.
You contend that the most of the world would not like to live in a place like America?
In a place LIKE America (keeping the same advantages, and perks) sure. Do I think 90% of the world wants to pack their suitcase and move there, sorry I dont. As Dorothy said "there's no place like home". I personally miss the USA because thats my home.
You implied that America should not support Israel as it does now? Instead you would rather have us coerce Israel into conceding to the Palestinian demands without any concessions on their part?
I would coerice Isreal back to negociating table, thats it. What happens after that is up to the diplomats. What I want is this issue resolved. Its been festering for 30 years its time to put it to bed. Unfortunatly thats not whats happening anymore. Unlike Clinton, Bush, and even Reagan, W has given the Isreali right wing hawks carte blanche to simply bypass negiociating. There hasnt been a single 1-1 negiociation since Barak left office. The result as been a catastophe, every single bit of progress between Isreal and the Palestineans in the past 15 years has been destroyed because of it. What we have now are the Isrealis basically making peace moves on their own (which is good), but they have only given up that which they knew they were going to lose anyway. The problem is they are about to hit a major obsticle when it comes to the West Bank, and Jerusalem as well as smaller issues like water, freedom of movement and border security. Unless the Palestineans are part of negociations Isreal will get no peace, and therefore neither will we.
You seem to think peace in the Middle East is not up to the Middle Eastern people but it's up to the U.S.?
Unfortuntly yes to a degree. We pull alot of strings in that part of the world Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan all these countries have powerful ties with Washington. Mind you, thats not a bad thing, because there are worse thing the Saudi Royal family and the other dictators of the region. There are even worse things than Saddam Hussein, like Iran with a nuclear weapon.
You also claim that American success doen't breed contempt in other countries?
Not everywhere, no. I'd say countries that would like to rival us as a Superpower such as Russia and China (espically the later) are prone to jealousy. In other parts of the world however contempt is bred for other reasons. 'Jelousy' is simply not 99% of the problems, to say that is to stick one head in the sand and ignore the problem.
Incidently, we France got a real treat as yesterday was the first night ever that the Superbowl was televised live on French TV.
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localgrizzly
Active member
MMarsh,
My friend, methinks you have been reading far too much anti-American propaganda in the French press.
I had the unfortunate experience of spending two months in France during the early sixties.
Having visited over fifty countries in the world, France is one of only three where I left with a feeling of loathing for both the country and it's haughty, arrogant people.
My friend, methinks you have been reading far too much anti-American propaganda in the French press.
I had the unfortunate experience of spending two months in France during the early sixties.
Having visited over fifty countries in the world, France is one of only three where I left with a feeling of loathing for both the country and it's haughty, arrogant people.
mmarsh
Active member
localgrizzy
I Dont read the French Press, its not anti-America its anti-everything. But I find it way to critical of the USA. I dont read the far right American press either for the same reasons (of Europe), so at least I'm consistant
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Sorry to hear that. 2 things i can say about that.
1. You picked a really, really, bad time to visit. The 1960s was a bad time in France it was involved in Algeria, there was a govornment collapse, student strikes, bad economy, you name it it was a bad time. Things have changed since then, you should try again now things are much better. In retrospect the only other time worse than the 1960 for France was the Nazi occupation.
2. Yes thats true, the French had a reputation for being arrogent I dont deny that. Again this is largely changing with the younger generation thats much more pro-America culture (not foreign policy). Though this still happens in the press and in politics. The truth is the French like American tourists, I had a cab driver once (an French-arab too if you can image) who said they largely greatly American tourists than British or god forbid German Tourists (old scores to settle I guess). The point is, dont let what happened 40 years ago decide what happens today.
One annoucer on CNN described French-American relations accuratly, he said it was 40 years of marriage counseling! To this date, the French and Americans have been allies in 3 seperate wars and have never once fought a war against each other, unlike other European countries.
I Dont read the French Press, its not anti-America its anti-everything. But I find it way to critical of the USA. I dont read the far right American press either for the same reasons (of Europe), so at least I'm consistant
.Sorry to hear that. 2 things i can say about that.
1. You picked a really, really, bad time to visit. The 1960s was a bad time in France it was involved in Algeria, there was a govornment collapse, student strikes, bad economy, you name it it was a bad time. Things have changed since then, you should try again now things are much better. In retrospect the only other time worse than the 1960 for France was the Nazi occupation.
2. Yes thats true, the French had a reputation for being arrogent I dont deny that. Again this is largely changing with the younger generation thats much more pro-America culture (not foreign policy). Though this still happens in the press and in politics. The truth is the French like American tourists, I had a cab driver once (an French-arab too if you can image) who said they largely greatly American tourists than British or god forbid German Tourists (old scores to settle I guess). The point is, dont let what happened 40 years ago decide what happens today.
One annoucer on CNN described French-American relations accuratly, he said it was 40 years of marriage counseling! To this date, the French and Americans have been allies in 3 seperate wars and have never once fought a war against each other, unlike other European countries.
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DTop
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As Global World bully? I dont think so, but alot of people do. The South American triumprant (Bolivia, Cuba and Venuzula would certainly say so), as would people in the ME. Thats 300+ milllion people right there. My point is when you have got so many people repeating the samething at a certain point one must look inwards rather than dismiss it as 'jealousy'. I do believe that SOME of our economic and foreign policies cause hardship for other countries (both intentional and unintentional), so its normal in my opinion that people dont like us.
You can't possibly believe that because these avowed anti-Americans keep repeating the time worn commusnist lines, that we should start to believe it. I find it difficult to believe that every person, or even the majority, in all of those countries feels the way their outspoken leaders claim to. BTW, what is the ME? Maine, Modern Europe, Middle Earth, I give up :wink:
Lending money to people in need with fair conditions is fine, lending people at interest rates they cannot possible pay back is called loansharking. In the case of Africa, they are broke, they suffer various plagues, bad climates, and often war. Almost entire continent is suffering a misery of one form or another. Therefore if we lend them money it should be on the expectation that they most likely WON'T be able to pay us back. So either we lend the money and dont expect to get repaid, or dont lend it to them in the first place. Its the strongarm tactics I oppose, but again America isnt alone in doing this, there is blame to go around.
I contend that it would be a greater injustice not to lend them anything. That is what would happen to you if you approached a lending institution with no money and no prospect to pay the loan back. Ithink it is commendable that affluent countries loan these poor countries money to help them improve their situations at all. What you propose is global welfare, it's not going to happen. Capitalism abhors such things.
In a place LIKE America (keeping the same advantages, and perks) sure. Do I think 90% of the world wants to pack their suitcase and move there, sorry I dont. As Dorothy said "there's no place like home". I personally miss the USA because thats my home.
You're right people covet what America has. That is the very definition of jealosy and envy.
I would coerice Isreal back to negociating table, thats it. What happens after that is up to the diplomats. What I want is this issue resolved. Its been festering for 30 years its time to put it to bed. Unfortunatly thats not whats happening anymore. Unlike Clinton, Bush, and even Reagan, W has given the Isreali right wing hawks carte blanche to simply bypass negiociating. There hasnt been a single 1-1 negiociation since Barak left office. The result as been a catastophe, every single bit of progress between Isreal and the Palestineans in the past 15 years has been destroyed because of it. What we have now are the Isrealis basically making peace moves on their own (which is good), but they have only given up that which they knew they were going to lose anyway. The problem is they are about to hit a major obsticle when it comes to the West Bank, and Jerusalem as well as smaller issues like water, freedom of movement and border security. Unless the Palestineans are part of negociations Isreal will get no peace, and therefore neither will we.
You say we bully the world but you want us to coerce Israel to negotiate against their own best intetests, hmm. The problems there are certainly older than 30 years. It seems to me that Israel has recently made some huge concessions to the Arabs recently. In return there have been increased attacks and a new Hamas government sworn to destroy Israel. If we take anything form history, we should easily be ble to see that no matter what concession Israel gives to the Arabs nationalists, no lasting peace will come of it. BTW, there is no way that the radical Arab nationalists will decide to live in harmony with anyone else. They never have and it is naive to think that they will. They have always waged war whenever that could so the logical course of action would be to deny them the means to wage war.
You seem to think peace in the Middle East is not up to the Middle Eastern people but it's up to the U.S.?
Unfortuntly yes to a degree. We pull alot of strings in that part of the world Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan all these countries have powerful ties with Washington. Mind you, thats not a bad thing, because there are worse thing the Saudi Royal family and the other dictators of the region. There are even worse things than Saddam Hussein, like Iran with a nuclear weapon.
Yet every time we "pull a string" we are codemned as the interfering bully. I don't think we have as much influence as you seem to think especially when other western countries seem to oppose us at every turn.
I'd say countries that would like to rival us as a Superpower such as Russia and China (espically the later) are prone to jealousy. In other parts of the world however contempt is bred for other reasons. 'Jelousy' is simply not 99% of the problems, to say that is to stick one head in the sand and ignore the problem.
Sure, everybody wants everything we have but you say that's not jealousy? I don't know what you would call it but that sounds like a good descriptive for it to me. Maybe resentment would be better? I don't blame them but it is what it is. France for example, has never been able to admit that she hasn't been a super power for a very, vey long time and still considers America an upstart British colony.
Incidently, we France got a real treat as yesterday was the first night ever that the Superbowl was televised live on French TV.
I hope you enjoyed it. Did many people care who won or even watch?
You can't possibly believe that because these avowed anti-Americans keep repeating the time worn commusnist lines, that we should start to believe it. I find it difficult to believe that every person, or even the majority, in all of those countries feels the way their outspoken leaders claim to. BTW, what is the ME? Maine, Modern Europe, Middle Earth, I give up :wink:
Lending money to people in need with fair conditions is fine, lending people at interest rates they cannot possible pay back is called loansharking. In the case of Africa, they are broke, they suffer various plagues, bad climates, and often war. Almost entire continent is suffering a misery of one form or another. Therefore if we lend them money it should be on the expectation that they most likely WON'T be able to pay us back. So either we lend the money and dont expect to get repaid, or dont lend it to them in the first place. Its the strongarm tactics I oppose, but again America isnt alone in doing this, there is blame to go around.
I contend that it would be a greater injustice not to lend them anything. That is what would happen to you if you approached a lending institution with no money and no prospect to pay the loan back. Ithink it is commendable that affluent countries loan these poor countries money to help them improve their situations at all. What you propose is global welfare, it's not going to happen. Capitalism abhors such things.
In a place LIKE America (keeping the same advantages, and perks) sure. Do I think 90% of the world wants to pack their suitcase and move there, sorry I dont. As Dorothy said "there's no place like home". I personally miss the USA because thats my home.
You're right people covet what America has. That is the very definition of jealosy and envy.
I would coerice Isreal back to negociating table, thats it. What happens after that is up to the diplomats. What I want is this issue resolved. Its been festering for 30 years its time to put it to bed. Unfortunatly thats not whats happening anymore. Unlike Clinton, Bush, and even Reagan, W has given the Isreali right wing hawks carte blanche to simply bypass negiociating. There hasnt been a single 1-1 negiociation since Barak left office. The result as been a catastophe, every single bit of progress between Isreal and the Palestineans in the past 15 years has been destroyed because of it. What we have now are the Isrealis basically making peace moves on their own (which is good), but they have only given up that which they knew they were going to lose anyway. The problem is they are about to hit a major obsticle when it comes to the West Bank, and Jerusalem as well as smaller issues like water, freedom of movement and border security. Unless the Palestineans are part of negociations Isreal will get no peace, and therefore neither will we.
You say we bully the world but you want us to coerce Israel to negotiate against their own best intetests, hmm. The problems there are certainly older than 30 years. It seems to me that Israel has recently made some huge concessions to the Arabs recently. In return there have been increased attacks and a new Hamas government sworn to destroy Israel. If we take anything form history, we should easily be ble to see that no matter what concession Israel gives to the Arabs nationalists, no lasting peace will come of it. BTW, there is no way that the radical Arab nationalists will decide to live in harmony with anyone else. They never have and it is naive to think that they will. They have always waged war whenever that could so the logical course of action would be to deny them the means to wage war.
You seem to think peace in the Middle East is not up to the Middle Eastern people but it's up to the U.S.?
Unfortuntly yes to a degree. We pull alot of strings in that part of the world Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan all these countries have powerful ties with Washington. Mind you, thats not a bad thing, because there are worse thing the Saudi Royal family and the other dictators of the region. There are even worse things than Saddam Hussein, like Iran with a nuclear weapon.
Yet every time we "pull a string" we are codemned as the interfering bully. I don't think we have as much influence as you seem to think especially when other western countries seem to oppose us at every turn.
I'd say countries that would like to rival us as a Superpower such as Russia and China (espically the later) are prone to jealousy. In other parts of the world however contempt is bred for other reasons. 'Jelousy' is simply not 99% of the problems, to say that is to stick one head in the sand and ignore the problem.
Sure, everybody wants everything we have but you say that's not jealousy? I don't know what you would call it but that sounds like a good descriptive for it to me. Maybe resentment would be better? I don't blame them but it is what it is. France for example, has never been able to admit that she hasn't been a super power for a very, vey long time and still considers America an upstart British colony.
Incidently, we France got a real treat as yesterday was the first night ever that the Superbowl was televised live on French TV.
I hope you enjoyed it. Did many people care who won or even watch?
localgrizzly
Active member
mmarsh said:localgrizzy
I dont read the far right American press either for the same reasons (of Europe), so at least I'm consistant
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Now ya really got me confused???
If there is a far right American press, I can't seem to find it!
All of the American press that I see, i.e. Hearst, Knight-Ridder, Gannett, NY papers, San Francisco papers, Chicago and D.C. etc. are all EXTREME left-wing! All three "over the air" TV networks are far left as well.
fingolfin361
Active member
DTop said:
Ummm....just because i want a big house and a BMW, doesnt mean i'm jealous of the guy who does....! Envious to an extent, maybe, but jealous, no.
Interesting how this argument about OTHERS' perceptions of and attitudes towards America, and there are only Americans really debating.
And really, statements like 90% of the world wants to live in America, is absurd! I feel kinda offended by that statement, and I know a lot of people who would.
fingolfin361
Active member
DTop said:
whoa, no no, not at all...
didnt realise it was that old....and pick a fight... isnt that a bit much?:shock:
AussieNick
Forum Digger
Clearly a world poll. I don't remember being asked.