Will Israel and USA attack Iran




 
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August 11th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 

Topic: Will Israel and USA attack Iran


Will Israel and USA attack Iran when they find out iran is indeed developing nukes?

Please your thought about this.

For me I think they will attack to destroy the nuke-facilities even invade iran to make a regime change.
August 11th, 2004  
silent driller
 
 
I think we will go remove them definitely. As for an invasion for the purpose of a regime change, I think not. It's not another case where the dictator is anyone who opposes him.
August 12th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Hmmm....What dose Israel have to do with any US actions? The US dident call for Israel to help in the first or second war in Iraq....Why would Iran be any diffrent? Im sure however, thqat both countrys are considering an Air-Attack on the Iranian nuclear program, and I hope some will do this soon, before those nuts have a working device in their hands.
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August 12th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
An US attack on Iran is almost as true as the fact that the sun will go up tomorrow FlyingFrog. Why? Because that would put the allies to US in a possition where all Arab nations rather would help the Iran regime then to support the US. Israel is the arab nations traditional enemy number one with one exception and that is Turky, there are some courtesy thinking behind all wars conducted in the middle east. US aswell as Europe are not up for an outburst from the OPEC organisation and the oil the power from the black gold are influencing the world community who has turned against the disturbances in Sudan.

US, even if they probably got the worlds most powerful army they can not fight the whole region for themselves even with Brittish support they would make the whole world go back to another stone age if they conducted military actions togheter with Israel in aggression towards Iran. Even when US had support from the UN in the 1991 Gulf War when they liberated Kuwait togheter with saudi and other arab nations the big fear was that Israel should be involved in the fights against Saddam Husseins forces in Kuwait and in Iraq with eather the Israeli airforce or ground units.

That would have made that war nearly impossible to carry out. And todays date - You find highly sophisticated western equipment in all of those countrys that would turn there anger towards US and GB if Israel would get involved. For some examples. You can find over 400 IFV in the c.o US 30% and GB 70% built Desert Warrior vehicle only in the United Arab Republic. You find state-of-the-art Challenger tanks in Saudi Arabia and Patriot missile defenses all over the place.

The main US strategy for the middle east has always been to not make any arab nation bigger then the other. And localy disputes has always saved the balance in that specific region, and an Israeli co US attack on Iran would probably be the only thing that would make all arab nations to put away there local differences and attack togheter in a joint operation, If that happend US and its allies would be in a world of pain. However US have started successful military coups before against Iran and war is maby not the first solution for the Iran problem - it is more likely an emergency solution if Iran doesn`t attack the US first that is. In a military coup the world community would support the US and later the UN would go in much faster then in this Iraq war. Israel would not be involved in any of these actions.


Fast analysis of the Israel/US war conducted by:

Doc.S

The mad "doctor" from sweden



August 12th, 2004  
Airborne Eagle
 
 
I'm curious.

When Israel bombed the Iraqi reactor (1981?), they used F-16s, right?

Gotta figure they're weighed down with bombs. Also have to figure they're flying below radar. Both means they're sucking up gas.

So, what the combat radius of a weighed down F-16, flying at low altitude?
August 12th, 2004  
Big_Z
 
 
Even if the entire middleast united they aren't going to defeat America let alone America and the UK... America and Israel are friends but America isn't going to fight along with them, I dont agree with this but it would turn many countries against us. Those countries cant defeat Israel what would possibly make you think they could defeat America?
August 12th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
It is not a matter of military power....Its very simple:

1) Oil- The US needs the oil from the Saudis and others.
2) Bases- In order to attack hostile nations in the ME, they need some bases around.

If they attack with Israel, they will be in a bad position for oil and for bases....
August 12th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
Big_Z:

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what would possibly make you think they could defeat America?
Oh its quite simple to be honest and the answer is large weapon exports to countries that are simply US and GB allies for the moment. Another important detail is the book Beyond belief that VS Naipaul 2001 won the prestige full Nobel price for. Middle east is a place where you can find maby as much as 98% literalism amongst the people. A combination various western well supplied arms and other military equipment make a situation Israel C.o US army togheter with GB or without GB a hell hole. Before Iraq was the major threat in the region.

Saddam Hussein had the largest army. He had plans to take over the whole show down there and unify the arab nations. All open intelligence information from the C.I.A and other intelligence offices around the gulf and europe points at this. A big dream for Saddam Hussein and other leaders as Libya's leader Muammar Qadaffi they both tried to unify that region to be a stronger region with more power to control there own destiny.

Qadaffi tried to do this when he started to build up IPAL or Islamic Pan African Legion. That was a attempt to unite all arab countries under a single flag. Muammar Qadaffi has generously outfitted dissidents and mercenaries from Egypt, Sudan, Mali, Chad, Tunisin and more west african and middle east states. Well his plans didnīt go to well. First the 1991 Gulf War were the coalition liberated Kuwait, the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom and US toghter with GB and a handfull of other allies crushed the remains of Saddam Husseins army was (before 1991) much feared and the largest army in the region.

Qadaffi know now that with this old U.S.S.R equipment he canīt do anything to stop or be triumphant in any aspect if he would challenge west again. The former threats from Libya and Iraq are exterminated. BUT there is always a big but. The numerous allied arab countries in this region do not have any counterpart to fear anymore.

Well these countries do have one thing in common. Whole armys are fitted with state-of-the-art western arms, and not only that. The arab nations got plenty of dollars to play with. That means that they can train their armys alot more then Saddam Hussein and Qadaffi could do. A well trained army is important if you got good equipment. An army without any substantial training and with good or fair equipment is nothing if they donīt have any experience.

Iraq had the regions largest army (on paper) but it was not an armour fighting country. It was formed around anti Infantry wave structures. The tanks and the equipment that Iraq fielded was leftovers from the Iraq/Iran war not at all suited for modern heavy armour battles. The arabs are not stupid and they have been studying these different weaponsystems fielded by west for a long time now. And they have bought alot of western but not to forget even state of the art Ukraine built T-80U+ tanks and equipment as well.

They had and still got well trained airforces in the Gulf War, one of the pilots from the Arab nations was one of the first pilots that got a double kill in one of the Gulf War`s few dogfights up against Iraqi airforces that fielded France Built Mirrage F.1. Mirage F.I was a good fighter plane but in the hands of Iraqi pilots you could send up a field duster to do the same bad work in a fighter jet. So yes the different arab nations have taking lessons in western tactics and wepons and they got alot of them.

And not just that. They got training from west all the time and joint manouvers in that particular region has shown that these guys that have grown with there oil to be powerful wouldn`t under any circumstance let a coalition force with Israel and US do anything towards Iran. That would start a chain reaction and the arab nations would pretty fast drive the US and other countries that support them out of the region with lak of support from Europe.

If Saddat had lived today, the former Eqypt leader he would have state-of-the-art Abrams to play with against Israel. Not only that they got plenty of Apache attack helicopters to and good training in western tactics. Well I do not doubt that a military coup can bring down Egypt even today as it did in the 60`s. These countries are famous for there literalism.

You only need one Hitler to make another world war. That is my point but that is not the issue but in a larger scale analysis you can find out that many of our best systems including smart missiles are delivered to the middle east armys. And a missile is always a missile, problem is that these armys dont field bad soldiers, pilots and thats why an Israel involvement with this new playground rules are so dangerous to all of us. There were one or two threats but today you got several smaller threats that in a political crisis would be a great threat once again. And we can all thank our different leaders for this and their short time thinking political agendas. It is like shooting an asteroid in to smaller fragments and let it rain over the planets surface.

Cheers:
Doc.S

August 12th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
But let me clacify this fact:
Iran is NOT Arabs although they are all Muslim countries

Arabs don't like Iranians, Iranianas hate Arabs.

I don't know if Arabs will bother anything if Iran is attacked and weakend by anyone.

Iran (ex-Persia) was conqured by Arabs first, and Islam was introduced into Iran by Arabs a few hundreds years ago when Arabs ruled Persia.
August 12th, 2004  
Airborne Eagle
 
 
You know, since Israel did not have in air refueling capability...

Heavy load F-16...

Looooong trip.....

Wonder how they made it without a refueling?